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Post by callas12 on Jun 15, 2018 9:29:33 GMT
Chester is wank and for £10million it's a fucking piss take. We're building a side that may go up but would be certainties for relegation in the PL. We'd have to 'go again' if we get promoted. So what do you want us to do, build a Premiership side whilst we're in the Championship? N-O-T G-O-I-N-G T-O H-A-P-P-E-N. Let's build a side specifically to get us promoted and then worry about what to do about staying there, once we've, erm ... actually got there. You know, like what Wolves are doing. Exactly this, just what Liam Lawrence has intimated on Twitter! Some people need to have a head shake! Point 1. We're not going to be able to attract Premier League ready defenders/players right now coz they'll either be in the Premier League already & be wanting to stay there & point 2. If they are high end ready for the Prem players (or think they are ie Ramadan!) but aren't currently they'll be looking to make their way there in the next few weeks. Can you imagine if we loaded our squad up with Premier League players right now & never achieved promotion in the next couple of seasons the burden we'd have hanging around our heads & the financial implications would be disastrous.. Aswell as unhappy/unsettled players..
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2018 9:30:28 GMT
I think either Davies or Chester would be just what we need.
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Post by crownmeking on Jun 15, 2018 10:06:31 GMT
If Davies or Chester do come in, is that an indicator that Bruno is away? or would Davies/Chester be additional to what we already have?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 10:09:56 GMT
Chester is wank and for £10million it's a fucking piss take. We're building a side that may go up but would be certainties for relegation in the PL. We'd have to 'go again' if we get promoted. Just what are you basing your opinion on exactly?! Chester was good at Hull, poor at WBA & has been exceptional at Villa. It's football, some players & some teams fit, some dont but overall his careers been a success to the point he's one of Villa' s star men & is amongst the big predicted departures to earn them some spends. & I'm basing my opinion on my bro whose a Villa season ticket holder & watched him every game.. He'll be gutted when/if he leaves & especially so if he heads off in our direction. Didn't TP pull a Woodgate on him and play him at right back for a good number of games? He's a decent defender. Whilst £10m feels a bit steep, he's undoubtedly one of the best defenders at this level.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 15, 2018 10:10:34 GMT
If Davies or Chester do come in, is that an indicator that Bruno is away? or would Davies/Chester be additional to what we already have? We've lost Wimmer (no great loss I know) and Zouma so need 2 more centre backs just to be back where we started. If BMI leaves then we need 3.
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Post by crownmeking on Jun 15, 2018 10:13:29 GMT
If Davies or Chester do come in, is that an indicator that Bruno is away? or would Davies/Chester be additional to what we already have? We've lost Wimmer (no great loss I know) and Zouma so need 2 more centre backs just to be back where we started. If BMI leaves then we need 3. Hopefully BMI will stay, he is solid.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 15, 2018 10:15:17 GMT
We've lost Wimmer (no great loss I know) and Zouma so need 2 more centre backs just to be back where we started. If BMI leaves then we need 3. Hopefully BMI will stay, he is solid. I hope he stays too
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2018 10:18:38 GMT
With Ryan's back problems and even Indi's occasional laspses into injury mode, we need one centre back to replace Zouma and one as cover, surely? Bring in Chester and he'd have to play I'd have thought. It's a tough one at the moment.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 15, 2018 10:31:02 GMT
With Ryan's back problems and even Indi's occasional laspses into injury mode, we need one centre back to replace Zouma and one as cover, surely? Bring in Chester and he'd have to play I'd have thought. It's a tough one at the moment. There's a bit more scope for rotation in the Champ, if we can afford that luxury. You're looking at 50 games allowing for a couple of rounds in each of the cup competitions. I don't think it would be wise to push Shawcross through anywhere near that number, and Bruno usually misses a fair amount with his dodgy groin injuries. A third centre half would probably get 25 games or so, even if we only play two of them, plus it adds competition for the position.
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Post by philb on Jun 15, 2018 10:38:38 GMT
Chester is wank and for £10million it's a fucking piss take. We're building a side that may go up but would be certainties for relegation in the PL. We'd have to 'go again' if we get promoted. Like every other team before us. We are a Championship side and have to sign players for that league. I think some of you need to realise that we’re not in the Premier League anymore and won’t be signing Premier League quality players 🙄
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 15, 2018 10:47:41 GMT
The thread title's a little bit misleading because Percy said it's "up to" £10m. For £7-8 I'd take him.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 15, 2018 10:51:53 GMT
If in 3 years he helped us get back to the Premier League and consolidate our position who cares? I would like to sign him, just fractionally too much money. I doubt the club will need to borrow any of your money!
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Post by nott1 on Jun 15, 2018 10:56:00 GMT
Hardly got age on his side though. In 2-3 years he will be worth a fraction of the rumoured £10 million. If in 3 years he helped us get back to the Premier League and consolidate our position who cares? What's all this three years nonsense, I'm expecting promotion next May FFS!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 15, 2018 10:56:12 GMT
If Davies or Chester do come in, is that an indicator that Bruno is away? or would Davies/Chester be additional to what we already have? It'll certainly be one or the other!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 10:59:51 GMT
If in 3 years he helped us get back to the Premier League and consolidate our position who cares? What's all this three years nonsense, I'm expecting promotion next May FFS! Promotion year one Consolidation years two and three
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2018 11:00:12 GMT
I never used to rate Chester, but put that down to TP not getting the best out of him. However, I watched a lot of Villa last season (I have four friends who are fans) and he looked very good. He's pretty quick, strong and has good distribution. Villa will obviously try and get more for him than they paid but perhaps any extras will depend on promotion. If so, let's worry about the fine detail when that happens! I get what is being said about rotation and playing games, but Ryan, Indi and Chester would expect to be first choice wouldn't they? Who do we see sitting on the bench if this happened? If Indi left, I'd expect us to go for someone experienced like Chester and cheap back up in Davies. If that happened then I can see there being less disharmony in the camp. If Ryan pulls up, we've always got the January window...
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Post by nott1 on Jun 15, 2018 11:02:11 GMT
Small and slow acccording to some!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 15, 2018 11:08:00 GMT
I think I'd rather play Pieters as our left sided central defender and spend money on an upgrade left back who is also able to make crosses into the box 8 out of 10 times, and not like Pieters who probably will put 15 of 20 crosses into the stand! Of the remaining 5, 2 hits the first defender, the next 2 are over hit and finally one ends up in the box!
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 15, 2018 11:12:38 GMT
Just what are you basing your opinion on exactly?! Chester was good at Hull, poor at WBA & has been exceptional at Villa. It's football, some players & some teams fit, some dont but overall his careers been a success to the point he's one of Villa' s star men & is amongst the big predicted departures to earn them some spends. & I'm basing my opinion on my bro whose a Villa season ticket holder & watched him every game.. He'll be gutted when/if he leaves & especially so if he heads off in our direction. Didn't TP pull a Woodgate on him and play him at right back for a good number of games? He's a decent defender. Whilst £10m feels a bit steep, he's undoubtedly one of the best defenders at this level. absolutely👍, in today’s market you’ve got to expect it, if we get both Davies and Chester for a combined £12/13m i think it’s good business. Woodgate at Rb bloody hell that was a blast from the past, what was Tp thinking
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Post by philb on Jun 15, 2018 11:19:02 GMT
Didn't TP pull a Woodgate on him and play him at right back for a good number of games? He's a decent defender. Whilst £10m feels a bit steep, he's undoubtedly one of the best defenders at this level. absolutely👍, in today’s market you’ve got to expect it, if we get both Davies and Chester for a combined £12/13m i think it’s good business. Woodgate at Rb bloody hell that was a blast from the past, what was Tp thinking TP was thinking I’ve signed a big name now I’ve got to play him somewhere!
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 15, 2018 11:31:23 GMT
I think James Chester would be a very good signing imo. The signings Rowett and the board are making are just the ones required I believe to get us back 1st time GOTMP
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2018 11:32:16 GMT
Witnessing it, as I did at Wolves away, still gives me nightmares.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2018 11:37:30 GMT
Small and slow acccording to some! Some as in maybe one? They like him and rate him very highly...
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Post by brumstokie on Jun 15, 2018 11:48:01 GMT
Didn't TP pull a Woodgate on him and play him at right back for a good number of games? He's a decent defender. Whilst £10m feels a bit steep, he's undoubtedly one of the best defenders at this level. absolutely👍, in today’s market you’ve got to expect it, if we get both Davies and Chester for a combined £12/13m i think it’s good business. Woodgate at Rb bloody hell that was a blast from the past, what was Tp thinking As I heard the story Chester was signed by WBA because they couldn’t get Johnny Evans. A week later things changed & Evans signed. WBA then tried to sell Chester but he & his agent decided to sit on the lucrative contract he had just signed- allegedly. Tone having got his 1st choice CB hardly looked at Chester again. Since his move to Villa & being a regular he has looked good. A deal rising to £10m with add ons for promotion etc is a good deal In today’s market.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 15, 2018 11:58:27 GMT
I don't get this "either/or" of buying CBs, and "if so and so comes, Indi is out". How many CBs do we need?
Last summer people were saying we didn't need to sign a 5th CB when we signed Wimmer. The reality is we only had one fit CB, not contract tied, Indi, available against Chelsea. If you are going to play 3 CBs, you need 5 players to cover those positions; there are bound to be times when players are injured, suspended, or just not suited to play on the right or left side, or in Wimmer's case "lost it".
We have "lost" Wimmer and Zouma, we need to replace. Cameron is no longer good enough IMO. He has not been the same player since he was injured at Hull a couple of seasons ago.
So if we playing 3 CBs at the back, and we exclude Cameron, Johnson (now gone), and Pieters, then we need to replace. We buy 2, or buy and loan, or promote from the juniors, but in any event we need 2 "new" CB players in the senior squad, and therefore Indi stays.
If we are not going to play 3 CBs and play with 2 then, provided we sign someone, there is a possibility of selling Indi, which IMO would be sad unless we get a huge amount of money. But that is unlikely; he had a very indifferent season, which was not entirely his fault. He missed pre-season, was playing catch up, got injured repeatedly, couldn't get into the side until the "wrong time" when we were on the slide, and was badly exposed by the rest of the defence playing poorly as well, squeezed out of the side when Hughes gave up 3 at the back, but forced his way back in with Lambert. I think he is an excellent left side CB player, who has gone through a difficult patch, and could be a huge asset for us for years to come, and prove to be another Shawcross in time.
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Post by cooper67 on Jun 15, 2018 12:24:51 GMT
I'd be happy with him.
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Post by robrigo on Jun 15, 2018 12:37:22 GMT
I would get both in Davies and Chester if possible
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 12:37:53 GMT
People need to stop with this.."he struggled in the prem" rubbish.
1. We are not in the prem
2. Our only aim should be getting out of this league, to do that signing players like Chester will give us the best chance of that. We should not even be remotely thinking about whether or not our players will cut it in the prem. Worry about that if we get there.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2018 12:40:13 GMT
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 15, 2018 12:41:55 GMT
I don't get this "either/or" of buying CBs, and "if so and so comes, Indi is out". How many CBs do we need? Last summer people were saying we didn't need to sign a 5th CB when we signed Wimmer. The reality is we only had one fit CB, not contract tied, Indi, available against Chelsea. If you are going to play 3 CBs, you need 5 players to cover those positions; there are bound to be times when players are injured, suspended, or just not suited to play on the right or left side, or in Wimmer's case "lost it". We have "lost" Wimmer and Zouma, we need to replace. Cameron is no longer good enough IMO. He has not been the same player since he was injured at Hull a couple of seasons ago. So if we playing 3 CBs at the back, and we exclude Cameron, Johnson (now gone), and Pieters, then we need to replace. We buy 2, or buy and loan, or promote from the juniors, but in any event we need 2 "new" CB players in the senior squad, and therefore Indi stays. If we are not going to play 3 CBs and play with 2 then, provided we sign someone, there is a possibility of selling Indi, which IMO would be sad unless we get a huge amount of money. But that is unlikely; he had a very indifferent season, which was not entirely his fault. He missed pre-season, was playing catch up, got injured repeatedly, couldn't get into the side until the "wrong time" when we were on the slide, and was badly exposed by the rest of the defence playing poorly as well, squeezed out of the side when Hughes gave up 3 at the back, but forced his way back in with Lambert. I think he is an excellent left side CB player, who has gone through a difficult patch, and could be a huge asset for us for years to come, and prove to be another Shawcross in time. I think we'll play 4 at the back looking at how he sets up the majority of the time so yeah I agree, bring in 2 in Indi goes
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