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Post by Pugsley on Jun 10, 2018 22:41:16 GMT
Did he? You know that for sure do you? Perhaps he saw the shit show that was unfolding, apparently plenty did, and decided he wanted out. He spouted 'ambition' and the lack of it at Stoke City - he was 1 million percent bang on the money. Stoke fans can't handle it. So ambitious he went to a marginally better side who finished a whole point and two places above us. Give over. He questioned our ambition and he was correct. Like it or not WHU are a bigger club than Stoke and in London. He's kept them up like he kept us up and now the biggest club in the world are in for him if reports are to believed. He stuck it up us on our own pitch and people can't handle it, including Coates and Hughes. Neither side handled his departure with any class really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 23:50:53 GMT
Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he Erm, why sorry? Other players manage it? Name me one player?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 0:05:55 GMT
Erm, why sorry? Other players manage it? Name me one player? The top Spanish and German leagues aren't 'dogshit' and if you want a list of the players who performed well for all of the lower mid table clubs we'll be here all fucking day mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 0:15:24 GMT
The top Spanish and German leagues aren't 'dogshit' and if you want a list of the players who performed well for all of the lower mid table clubs we'll be here all fucking day mate. No. Name me one player who played 13 games for Mainz or Alaves who tore up the league
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 0:19:51 GMT
The top Spanish and German leagues aren't 'dogshit' and if you want a list of the players who performed well for all of the lower mid table clubs we'll be here all fucking day mate. No. Name me one player who played 13 games for Mainz or Alaves who tore up the league What a bizarrely specific request. No one's played Bojan in three years mate, there's probably a very good reason for that. I hope he plays for us, I hope he sees success, he seems a cracking bloke and he was a cracking player, was.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 11, 2018 0:55:54 GMT
No. Name me one player who played 13 games for Mainz or Alaves who tore up the league What a bizarrely specific request. No one's played Bojan in three years mate, there's probably a very good reason for that. I hope he plays for us, I hope he sees success, he seems a cracking bloke and he was a cracking player, was. I’d go with your last line. IMHO (hopefully wrong) I think the Championship would be an extremely difficult league for Bojan to have sufficient time on the ball to be effective over 40 odd 90 minute games
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2018 2:23:28 GMT
How much of a chance? Playing games until October and we are well adrift of the promotion pack and it's too late to bring players in ? Pre season and games up to the closure of the transfer window. No point dragging it out further.
So the window has shut and it is only then that we accept that it isn't going to work out?
Great ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2018 2:28:30 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too.
Mate you've completely (maybe conveniently?) ignored both of his loan spells in that analysis.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2018 2:33:13 GMT
When you listen to the comments of both Hughes and Coates when Arnie left, there appeared to be genuine shock and hurt over the way he’d done it. I think any ill-will between Hughes and Arnie started after the departure. Arnie reacted to the fans goading him on his return. Hughes then reacted to Arnie goading the fans. Arnie then reacted to Hughes when he scored for West Ham against Southampton, and so a myth developed that the problem was between Arnie and Hughes. That’s just my complete guesswork as to how that particular situation developed.
Absolutely, I'm far from a Hughes apologist (I wanted him gone before most) but to try and turn the snake's departure on Hughes is just ridiculous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2018 2:38:02 GMT
Didn't produce any magic for Mainz or Alaves though Numpty, he looks like a truly busted flush now. Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he
You're actually making his argument for him now ...
You've just said, that he wasn't good enough to get into two separate dog shit teams, in two separate dog shit leagues.
All your own words.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2018 6:09:31 GMT
Regardless of anything else.... La Liga and the Bundesliga dog shit leagues? Eh? Sounds like something you hear on sky soccer Saturday with Jeff Stelling.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 11, 2018 6:37:04 GMT
So ambitious he went to a marginally better side who finished a whole point and two places above us. Give over. He questioned our ambition and he was correct. Like it or not WHU are a bigger club than Stoke and in London. He's kept them up like he kept us up and now the biggest club in the world are in for him if reports are to believed. He stuck it up us on our own pitch and people can't handle it, including Coates and Hughes. Neither side handled his departure with any class really. No argument there. I don't think ambition had anything to do with it though, even if he was basically right in what he said. If anyone had offered him the money WHU were he'd have gone. If it was really about ambition, would he have signed his new contract the season before? We were hardly pushing the boat out then. If he was that bothered he'd have waited for someone less shite than West Ham.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 11, 2018 6:40:17 GMT
The top Spanish and German leagues aren't 'dogshit' and if you want a list of the players who performed well for all of the lower mid table clubs we'll be here all fucking day mate. No. Name me one player who played 13 games for Mainz or Alaves who tore up the league Isn't the point that if he'd been capable of 'tearing up the league' he'd have played rather more than 13 games? Even the Alaves financial deal stuff, if he'd been tearing it up for them that would suddenly have become a lot less of an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 6:41:37 GMT
Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he
You're actually making his argument for him now ...
You've just said, that he wasn't good enough to get into two separate dog shit teams, in two separate dog shit leagues.
All your own words.
Where did I say he wasn't good enough
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 7:10:57 GMT
You're actually making his argument for him now ...
You've just said, that he wasn't good enough to get into two separate dog shit teams, in two separate dog shit leagues.
All your own words.
Where did I say he wasn't good enough He's not been playing you moron, why would a 'dog shit team' only give cameo appearances to this amazing player? Give your fucking head a wobble man, really living up to the username.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 11, 2018 7:16:03 GMT
So are you saying he wasn't excellent and instrumental in the wins against Man Utd, Man City and Everton in December 2015? I think people remember the Wolves match and stuff like that over some great league performances. And seeing him muscled off the ball a few times.. Happens to Joe Allen all the time but he doesn't get the same stick at all There's going to be plenty of muscling off the ball to come in the Championship
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 9:49:35 GMT
Where did I say he wasn't good enough He's not been playing you moron, why would a 'dog shit team' only give cameo appearances to this amazing player? Give your fucking head a wobble man, really living up to the username. Change yours to thick cunt then to live up to yours. There might be many reasons he's only played 13 games
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 11, 2018 9:51:29 GMT
He's not been playing you moron, why would a 'dog shit team' only give cameo appearances to this amazing player? Give your fucking head a wobble man, really living up to the username. Change yours to thick cunt then to live up to yours. There might be many reasons he's only played 13 games I'd edit that again and get rid of the cunt if I were you, no need really no matter what you think of his views.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 11, 2018 10:13:20 GMT
Christ, lads, let's not start fighting amongst ourselves on this issue. We all want things to work out for the best, surely? No Stoke supporter would be pissed off if Bojan came back and inspired us to promotion, would they? If Rowett decided to give him a chance then hoorah! If not, I hope the bloke finds success and happiness elsewhere. This is not a time for point-scoring and back biting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 11:03:20 GMT
He's not been playing you moron, why would a 'dog shit team' only give cameo appearances to this amazing player? Give your fucking head a wobble man, really living up to the username. Change yours to thick cunt then to live up to yours. There might be many reasons he's only played 13 games A cunt yeah? Fuckin hell mate zero to a hundred there or what.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Jun 11, 2018 11:19:03 GMT
Bojan has the talent but he is too lightweight for the Championship I’m afraid.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 11, 2018 11:48:50 GMT
Bojan has the talent but he is too lightweight for the Championship I’m afraid. I do think that's a bit of a fallacy. It's not a pub league.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 11, 2018 12:09:35 GMT
Bojan has the talent but he is too lightweight for the Championship I’m afraid. I do think that's a bit of a fallacy. It's not a pub league. Totally agree - I think he'd absolutely shine if the team was built around him. When we moved up to the Prem we all complained about referee's 'protecting the better players' - wouldn't it be the same in the Champ? It really isn't like he'd be rolling out for the Lambourne on a Sunday morning...
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 11, 2018 12:45:22 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them.
Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 11, 2018 12:48:16 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them. Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it. Mr. Pance - your avatar always makes me chuckle!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 12:51:37 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them. Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it. I guess time is the biggest factor, how long do we piss about trying to integrate them into the squad/persevere with them in the team to the potential detriment of our (hopeful) promotion push? I think Rowett will have to make a fairly quick judgement call on all 3, my gut feeling is all will end up elsewhere although if they all hit the ground running it would be a massive bonus.....
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 11, 2018 13:07:24 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them. Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it. I guess time is the biggest factor, how long do we piss about trying to integrate them into the squad/persevere with them in the team to the potential detriment of our (hopeful) promotion push? I think Rowett will have to make a fairly quick judgement call on all 3, my gut feeling is all will end up elsewhere although if they all hit the ground running it would be a massive bonus..... Good point - i'm not talking of preferential treatment here, they don't deserve any more or less than the same clean slate that will be afforded to any of the other players. These are not kids now, they've all been around the mulberry bush a few times now and all three should realise that this (potentially) is their last big contract in professional football. I think that in all 3 instances they have been treated incredibly badly by the previous manager (2 with some justification, it has to be said) but they are all talented. But they have to show it otherwise the thing that they love (or the thing that affords them an extraordinary lifestyle, as appropriate) will be taken from them. None of them want that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2018 13:13:12 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them. Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it. I guess time is the biggest factor, how long do we piss about trying to integrate them into the squad/persevere with them in the team to the potential detriment of our (hopeful) promotion push? I think Rowett will have to make a fairly quick judgement call on all 3, my gut feeling is all will end up elsewhere although if they all hit the ground running it would be a massive bonus..... Agreed and he doesn't really have the time, does he? It would directly effect how he approaches the transfer market too. Far better to treat all three of them as if they dont exist, bring in the players he thinks can get us up and then appraise each of them over time. If one, two or all three of them ultimately come through, then happy days but at the moment Rowett needs to be completely focused on getting us back up.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 11, 2018 14:03:18 GMT
I guess time is the biggest factor, how long do we piss about trying to integrate them into the squad/persevere with them in the team to the potential detriment of our (hopeful) promotion push? I think Rowett will have to make a fairly quick judgement call on all 3, my gut feeling is all will end up elsewhere although if they all hit the ground running it would be a massive bonus..... Agreed and he doesn't really have the time, does he? It would directly effect how he approaches the transfer market too. Far better to treat all three of them as if they dont exist, bring in the players he thinks can get us up and then appraise each of them over time. If one, two or all three of then ultimately come through, then happy days but at the moment Rowett needs to be completely focused on getting us back up. Paul, I can tell you're not going to stand for any pussyfooting now Rowett's in place . I do agree with your very pragmatic stance on this after the frustration of the last 18 months. I just hope the all of the parts of the management team work in sync this time around. There's a job to be done which isn't all about getting a healthy League position. It's about getting bloody promoted at the first opportunity. I really don't expect Imbula to be a part of it for one minute, but I'm not discounting Bojan, but that's just sentimental me talking. I really need to get a Spencer-like grip of my softer side!
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Post by redstriper on Jun 11, 2018 14:16:17 GMT
Imbula, Bojan & Berahino are £40 Million worth of talent. If GR can get something out of them not only could they ruin that division, they can play in the league above. Of course he's got to have a look at them. Whether they can overcome the psychological/general arseholery issues they've been suffering is another matter. If they can, we're are all the better for it. I guess time is the biggest factor, how long do we piss about trying to integrate them into the squad/persevere with them in the team to the potential detriment of our (hopeful) promotion push? I think Rowett will have to make a fairly quick judgement call on all 3, my gut feeling is all will end up elsewhere although if they all hit the ground running it would be a massive bonus..... from those three only i'd be giving bojan every opportunity, i might stretch to saido on pragmatic gorunds, i wouldnt waste my time with imbula. He might turn up for a couple of games if he felt like it, but it's a team game and he's shown himself not to be a team player, any chance of building a dressing room would be jeopardised before we'd kicked a ball in anger.
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