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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 6, 2018 6:29:41 GMT
Joe Allen.
Shaqiri isn't actually very good, or at least hasn't been for about 85% of his time at Stoke. That said, I'm interested in seeing if he could cut it in the rough and tumble of the Championship.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 6, 2018 6:35:04 GMT
Shaq, he'd own the championship. I’m not sure shaq owns his own ego
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Post by philb on Jun 6, 2018 7:38:26 GMT
Allen isn't even the best player in his position at the club. Nevermind comparing him with Shaq! OK, I will bite.. Who next season in our squad will be better in his position? Oh dear you’ve asked for it now! 😳
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Post by ursemboys on Jun 6, 2018 7:41:24 GMT
Allen every day of the week ,Shaq is a fraud
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Post by andystokey on Jun 6, 2018 7:46:10 GMT
Shaq has publicly stated that he has no intention of staying. Allen is negotiating a new contract. Thats enough for me.
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Post by Gods on Jun 6, 2018 8:22:35 GMT
OK, I will bite.. Who next season in our squad will be better in his position? Oh dear you’ve asked for it now! 😳 I'll guess at Badou? And that may be right but his agent made it clear he was off in a cloud of cats piss didn't he? So not an option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 8:51:59 GMT
I would go for Joe Allen, he will be more use this coming season for us. Shaq is fantastic and world class but not made for the league we are now in. Allen can scrap in any division. Shaqiri can do things that only world class players can do, but he isn't a world class footballer because he only does those things every now and then. It's why he's failed at the big clubs he's played for.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jun 6, 2018 9:41:38 GMT
Shaq
On another note, I'm seeing a lot of people say 'Shaqiri always moaned'. Given the last few years we've had, I'm not sure that is a bad thing really.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jun 6, 2018 9:45:29 GMT
Joe Allen. Shaqiri isn't actually very good, or at least hasn't been for about 85% of his time at Stoke. That said, I'm interested in seeing if he could cut it in the rough and tumble of the Championship. He'd be one of the best players in the Championship easily And if he's only good for 15% of the time, Id hate to see some of the other % for the other players.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 6, 2018 13:42:39 GMT
Allen all day long on the league we are entering , Shaq is a luxury item that you add to a good team
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 6, 2018 14:04:28 GMT
Joe Allen
Lets not underplay how good Joe is just because he works hard. He was one of the players of the last Euros admittidly Shaq scored one of the goals or the tournament but maybe this sums Shaq up.
Not saying Joe will stay but i think he’ll be more effective in the championship than Shaq would be.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 6, 2018 15:14:48 GMT
Remember that (home) game (can't remember who it was against now), where the ball was played forward and Shaqiri just gave it up as a lost cause....all the ground moaned???
Couldn't see Allan giving up on it!!!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 6, 2018 15:20:39 GMT
Remember that (home) game (can't remember who it was against now), where the ball was played forward and Shaqiri just gave it up as a lost cause....all the ground moaned??? Couldn't see Allan giving up on it!!! Was it Newcastle?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 6, 2018 15:22:39 GMT
Remember that (home) game (can't remember who it was against now), where the ball was played forward and Shaqiri just gave it up as a lost cause....all the ground moaned??? Couldn't see Allan giving up on it!!! Was it Newcastle? Cheers Gravy!!! 👍
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Post by stokiebis on Jun 6, 2018 15:24:19 GMT
Shaq wow bone idol mard arse
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 6, 2018 15:29:35 GMT
Shaq wow bone idol mard arse Is that some variant of the North Staffordshire dialect I've never heard of?
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Post by jzime on Jun 6, 2018 15:44:10 GMT
Let's be honest here. Joe Allen staying will be a major boost for the entire football club and I would be delighted to see it happen. But the reason it is being touted as a distinct possibility is probably because nobody in the bottom half of the Premier League is interested in signing him for the sort of money that we would demand.
Xherdan Shaqiri came here as a player that we had chased for two transfer windows, and his agent was canny enough to use that commanding position to demand the insertion of a relatively low relegation release clause. He will have no shortage of offers this summer and if he doesn't get one he really likes the look of inside the next couple of weeks, he will wait to see if he can get anything better after the World Cup.
Allen is a big player for us, but Shaqiri scored eight and assisted seven league goals this season; in a season where we only scored 35 goals, Shaq was directly involved in nearly half of them. Had we kept clean sheets away at Leicester or Bournemouth while Charlie Adam tucked away that penalty at home to Brighton, Shaq's goals would have effectively kept us up and nobody would be questioning him.
I love Joe Allen and the sort of commitment and effort he brings. Stoke wouldn't have lasted in the top flight for as long as they did without the midfield workhorses we had, I'm under no illusions about that. And Allen is technically better than your average midfield grafter, too. He will comfortably be one of the better midfielders in the Championship and I am sincerely delighted that he is sticking around.
But there is a reason why Shaqiri will get a move this summer while Allen is going to sign a contract with a second division side. Shaqiri is simply the far superior player. Creative players who also bring goals to the table are much rarer than midfield grafters, and clubs always want to sign them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 6, 2018 16:07:53 GMT
Let's be honest here. Joe Allen staying will be a major boost for the entire football club and I would be delighted to see it happen. But the reason it is being touted as a distinct possibility is probably because nobody in the bottom half of the Premier League is interested in signing him for the sort of money that we would demand. Xherdan Shaqiri came here as a player that we had chased for two transfer windows, and his agent was canny enough to use that commanding position to demand the insertion of a relatively low relegation release clause. He will have no shortage of offers this summer and if he doesn't get one he really likes the look of inside the next couple of weeks, he will wait to see if he can get anything better after the World Cup. Allen is a big player for us, but Shaqiri scored eight and assisted seven league goals this season; in a season where we only scored 35 goals, Shaq was directly involved in nearly half of them. Had we kept clean sheets away at Leicester or Bournemouth while Charlie Adam tucked away that penalty at home to Brighton, Shaq's goals would have effectively kept us up and nobody would be questioning him. I love Joe Allen and the sort of commitment and effort he brings. Stoke wouldn't have lasted in the top flight for as long as they did without the midfield workhorses we had, I'm under no illusions about that. And Allen is technically better than your average midfield grafter, too. He will comfortably be one of the better midfielders in the Championship and I am sincerely delighted that he is sticking around. But there is a reason why Shaqiri will get a move this summer while Allen is going to sign a contract with a second division side. Shaqiri is simply the far superior player. Creative players who also bring goals to the table are much rarer than midfield grafters, and clubs always want to sign them. That's fair enough. I have criticised Shaqiri on here but, in fairness, he has had very little attacking support. I like Joe Allen, too, and think he's been hampered by inadequate players around him. I have to confess, though. There's something about Shaqiri that really irritates me.
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Post by bhp on Jun 6, 2018 17:27:11 GMT
Allen has been a great servant but we shouldn't tie him down long term, while we can get at least 20m for him and reinvest that money into Pearson or someone similar.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 6, 2018 17:34:01 GMT
If we received an offer to recoup the money we paid for Allen, and keep Shaqiri, I would bite your fucking hand off. It’s not even a decision worth discussing for me, there would be no debate.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jun 6, 2018 19:19:18 GMT
I pick the player who wants to play for our club and who is prepared to fight for 90 minutes every game. I pick the player who is massively underrated against the player who is massively overrated.
One of them epitomises everything that is wrong with our club at the moment and one of them represents the qualities and the character that will be needed in every position of the park next season.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 7, 2018 21:26:53 GMT
Both. But it won't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 21:39:25 GMT
I pick the player who wants to play for our club and who is prepared to fight for 90 minutes every game. I pick the player who is massively underrated against the player who is massively overrated. One of them epitomises everything that is wrong with our club at the moment and one of them represents the qualities and the character that will be needed in every position of the park next season. Really? Everything wrong with the club? The problem with the club is we refused to have more than one Shaqiri-level player in the team at once cause we were so fucking scared of dropping people like Crouch and Darren Bloody Fletcher.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jun 7, 2018 23:10:29 GMT
Joe Allen every time. He always gives 100% every week where Shaqiri only plays when he wants. He has to big an ego for us and thinks h is too good for us
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 7, 2018 23:53:58 GMT
Its not a surprise that Joe Allen is the goodie and Shaq is the baddie here
Football fans are habitually and incurably tribalistic. If Allen is staying and Shaq is going, of course Allen has to be the better player and is the hero of the hour.
My take on it...Shaq nearly (and against all the odds) managed to keep us up, Allen was one of the main reasons we went down.
The truth is....Allen is staying because no bugger in the Prem is remotely interested.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jun 8, 2018 6:35:38 GMT
Joe Allen by a country mile, his work ethic and commitment on the pitch were an example to behold, he never stopped running for the whole game...don’t get me wrong ..Shaq is a talented little bugger..no doubt about that...and some of his goals were gems to behold...but we are going to need “battlers” in this division...not players that fall over and moan if they get tackled a bit ‘ard. We need the sort that can stay on their feet and get back to defend if they lose the ball... We also need “team’ spirit putting back into the side...and Sadly players that think they’re too good for Stoke City need to jog on..I want players that Love Stoke City as much as I do ....and that are proud to wear the red and white stripes....I want players who understand the meaning of “team” and when they are on the pitch they give they’re all for their team mates, the fans and the club ...I think I hear music building as I’m writing this ...
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jun 8, 2018 6:37:48 GMT
I'd prefer Joe Allen. I'm 40% sure of that.
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 8, 2018 6:42:40 GMT
Tough one because its 2 different areas and roles on the pitch but if its outright who you'd keep its Joe for me, his work rate, drive and commitment on the pitch leads by example for others and those factors are consistent, and he'll chip i with goals now and then
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Post by burge2u on Jun 8, 2018 6:44:13 GMT
Joe Allen, every day of the week ⚽️👍🏼
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 8, 2018 6:50:32 GMT
Shaq is different gravy.
Allen runs around a lot. I think you are mistaking running with consistency. Allen has had some stinkers for Stoke and couldn’t pass wind
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