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Post by samba :) on Jul 21, 2018 22:48:45 GMT
Well its safe to say he's already splitting the fans
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Post by 4evastoke on Jul 21, 2018 22:49:35 GMT
I hope someone breaks his Fucking ira loving legs in the first challenge. And the prize for twat of the season goes to... You! Congratulations. It was a hard category to choose because there are a number of worthy candidates. And it is only pre-season. Now please go back to living your sad, bitter pathetic life that leads you to come on here and wish harm on an innocent human being. Innocent my Fucking arse, tell the kids that were killed in Warrington prick
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Post by 4evastoke on Jul 21, 2018 22:52:51 GMT
Well its safe to say he's already splitting the fans That's my point, is a below average player worth all the division within the support. I hope Fucking coats and co are proud of themselves
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Post by citynickscfc on Jul 21, 2018 22:53:09 GMT
😂😂😂 Turning backs on flags getting people riled! This is ludicrous, we are not stuck in the 19th or even 20th centuries... This is a different age where people are encouraged to air their views rather than keep them to themselves, and be corrected and debated, and when one has reason to believe in his own opinion, rightly or wrongly fitness, we all have a responsibility to listen. Only then can we discuss, and I'm sure he has heard the other side of the coin so to speak but he on very much entitled to his views and his minor actions. I'm well aware of the age we are in and I have said in previous posts that JM is entitled to his views. As am I. I do have a problem with any player spouting political views, making protests, etc. during the physical employ of their club. If JM wants to make his views known, by all means talk to a newspaper or TV reporter whilst not in the "day job". I know that if I was the owner of the club, I wouldn't like any player airing strong political views whilst being "at work" as I would want to avoid the world a large confusing my club's aims and beliefs with those of the player. I have listened to JM's reasoning since as you say, we have a responsibility to listen. That said, I don't really understand why he courts controversy by some of his actions. I'm particularly patriotic to my country and yes, I get offended when some one is disrespectful to it. You could say I have reason to believe in my opinion, rightly or wrongly, and you have a responsibility to listen. Then we can discuss if you like as I have heard JM's side of the story, but I'm still very much entitled to my views and comments. The flag is not the country, nor is the national anthem. Both mean absolutely nothing in today's multicultural and ever diverse society. They represent a place yes, do they represent a people? Or the people who reside? No, they certainly do not. You can choose to give it meaning but if someone disagrees that is ok. This isn't communism, he was not disrespectful to you personally, nor the country, he was disagreeing with a historic action that many agree with him and his opinion. We need to banish this custom of having to salute a flag, sing a song, stand up tall etc.... It's gone, done with, and follows the same expectations as created and administered by the oligarchy and powers that diminish our free will. People don't have to eat with the knife in their right hand, they don't have to marry the opposite sex, women can vote, wear trousers, they don't have to pray or sing hymns, they don't have to wave a flag to be patriotic, go to the match to be a supporter, men can do the dishes ffs and Gary couples can have kids etc etc etc. Best to do away with national anthems if this is all it brings, it is easy too political for sport anyway... In my opinion. Patriotism is archaic is it not?
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2018 22:54:52 GMT
Seriously though is he worth all the division within the support when we were all pulling in the same direction. I don't blame Mclean for the division in support we manage to do that on our own ,look at the uproar with Saido etc ,when stoke fans unite there is nobody better , but Jesus when we attack each other and complain there is nobody worse then Stoke Fans and by the way calling People C***s and knobs is not really very good for someone who is old enough be their dad , i recon I am about the same age has you and understand how sometimes it gets under your skin ,also I don't have a issue with him signing and I do have family and friends who have served ,I also know a few who are serving and don't have a issue with him ,he is not the cause he is just someone who's beliefs are different than some peoples . Also I don't think the poppy should be used in sport I also don't think a min silence etc for people who have passed is needed there are thousands who pass and are more deserving and get no recognition ,I have actually think the correct way is applauding their own at some point during the match like we do ,we should just leave the match day to football not politics religion etc .
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2018 22:56:36 GMT
Well its safe to say he's already splitting the fans He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves
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Post by samba :) on Jul 21, 2018 22:59:39 GMT
Well its safe to say he's already splitting the fans He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2018 23:00:26 GMT
I'm well aware of the age we are in and I have said in previous posts that JM is entitled to his views. As am I. I do have a problem with any player spouting political views, making protests, etc. during the physical employ of their club. If JM wants to make his views known, by all means talk to a newspaper or TV reporter whilst not in the "day job". I know that if I was the owner of the club, I wouldn't like any player airing strong political views whilst being "at work" as I would want to avoid the world a large confusing my club's aims and beliefs with those of the player. I have listened to JM's reasoning since as you say, we have a responsibility to listen. That said, I don't really understand why he courts controversy by some of his actions. I'm particularly patriotic to my country and yes, I get offended when some one is disrespectful to it. You could say I have reason to believe in my opinion, rightly or wrongly, and you have a responsibility to listen. Then we can discuss if you like as I have heard JM's side of the story, but I'm still very much entitled to my views and comments. The flag is not the country, nor is the national anthem. Both mean absolutely nothing in today's multicultural and ever diverse society. They represent a place yes, do they represent a people? Or the people who reside? No, they certainly do not. You can choose to give it meaning but if someone disagrees that is ok. This isn't communism, he was not disrespectful to you personally, nor the country, he was disagreeing with a historic action that many agree with him and his opinion. We need to banish this custom of having to salute a flag, sing a song, stand up tall etc.... It's gone, done with, and follows the same expectations as created and administered by the oligarchy and powers that diminish our free will. People don't have to eat with the knife in their right hand, they don't have to marry the opposite sex, women can vote, wear trousers, they don't have to pray or sing hymns, they don't have to wave a flag to be patriotic, go to the match to be a supporter, men can do the dishes ffs and Gary couples can have kids etc etc etc. Best to do away with national anthems if this is all it brings, it is easy too political for sport anyway... In my opinion. Patriotism is archaic is it not? The Union Jack is awful flag ,It represents everything that is wrong about the great British empire has it once was ,personally the George Cross is my flag ,I am English and proud I am not British but I have to abide by the law of the land
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2018 23:00:41 GMT
And the prize for twat of the season goes to... You! Congratulations. It was a hard category to choose because there are a number of worthy candidates. And it is only pre-season. Now please go back to living your sad, bitter pathetic life that leads you to come on here and wish harm on an innocent human being. Innocent my Fucking arse, tell the kids that were killed in Warrington prick Now I could be way off here, and please tell me if I am, but I don’t believe he had too much to do with them. In my eyes, that makes him innocent. Like I say, could be way off the mark and he may have been the bomber all along in which case I will gladly apologise.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2018 23:01:29 GMT
He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though. That is keyboard warriorish behaviour right there...
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Post by Absolution on Jul 21, 2018 23:02:31 GMT
He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though. We're well past that point.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 21, 2018 23:03:07 GMT
I'd be feeling almost 100% happy with how things are going if it wasn't from James ruddy McClean - and that's nothing to do with poppy's, back turning, anthems, flags etc.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2018 23:03:47 GMT
He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though. I think most are just angry about what has gone on and most will carry this dislike while he is at the club but I do think a few will come around once the season gets up and running and hopefully he earns our support and that goes for all our unliked players
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Post by samba :) on Jul 21, 2018 23:05:04 GMT
I hope someone breaks his Fucking ira loving legs in the first challenge. And the prize for twat of the season goes to... . no, that is keyboard warriorish behaviour. You don't sound very nigerian either
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 21, 2018 23:05:18 GMT
McClean offers nothing offensively. His shooting is abysmal. All he does is run. Diouf At least Diouf is decent cover for RB!
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Post by samba :) on Jul 21, 2018 23:06:59 GMT
Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though. I think most are just angry about what has gone on and most will carry this dislike while he is at the club but I do think a few will come around once the season gets up and running and hopefully he earns our support and that goes for all our unliked players Hopefully, it seems a strange signing beings as we changed our style to be a "more attractive club". People will hate us again now
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2018 23:08:05 GMT
And the prize for twat of the season goes to... . no, that is keyboard warriorish behaviour. You don't sound very nigerian either You do know that the one where I accused you of keyboard warriorish behaviour was sarcastic right?
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2018 23:13:04 GMT
I think most are just angry about what has gone on and most will carry this dislike while he is at the club but I do think a few will come around once the season gets up and running and hopefully he earns our support and that goes for all our unliked players Hopefully, it seems a strange signing beings as we changed our style to be a "more attractive club". People will hate us again now I don't really care if people outside the club hate us ,I just hate how we seem to hate each other . I hate the word but we need to be more Untied and make Stoke the place teams hate coming to again
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Post by samba :) on Jul 21, 2018 23:13:55 GMT
no, that is keyboard warriorish behaviour. You don't sound very nigerian either You do know that the one where I accused you of keyboard warriorish behaviour was sarcastic right? Ermm... Goodnight
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Post by melonhead on Jul 21, 2018 23:20:30 GMT
And the prize for twat of the season goes to... You! Congratulations. It was a hard category to choose because there are a number of worthy candidates. And it is only pre-season. Now please go back to living your sad, bitter pathetic life that leads you to come on here and wish harm on an innocent human being. Innocent my Fucking arse, tell the kids that were killed in Warrington prick From the BBC British exploitation of the Irish people, inaction in the face of the potato crop failure, and a vindictive, racist attitude toward the Irish. Nearly two million died out of a population of eight million. Frank O’Conner noted: “Famine is a useful word when you do not wish to use words like genocide and extermination. However, let’s not harp on about history and politics. If he proves his worth on the pitch and scores the winner to send us back up then so be it.
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Post by Ygor on Jul 21, 2018 23:32:04 GMT
I'm well aware of the age we are in and I have said in previous posts that JM is entitled to his views. As am I. I do have a problem with any player spouting political views, making protests, etc. during the physical employ of their club. If JM wants to make his views known, by all means talk to a newspaper or TV reporter whilst not in the "day job". I know that if I was the owner of the club, I wouldn't like any player airing strong political views whilst being "at work" as I would want to avoid the world a large confusing my club's aims and beliefs with those of the player. I have listened to JM's reasoning since as you say, we have a responsibility to listen. That said, I don't really understand why he courts controversy by some of his actions. I'm particularly patriotic to my country and yes, I get offended when some one is disrespectful to it. You could say I have reason to believe in my opinion, rightly or wrongly, and you have a responsibility to listen. Then we can discuss if you like as I have heard JM's side of the story, but I'm still very much entitled to my views and comments. The flag is not the country, nor is the national anthem. Both mean absolutely nothing in today's multicultural and ever diverse society. They represent a place yes, do they represent a people? Or the people who reside? No, they certainly do not. You can choose to give it meaning but if someone disagrees that is ok. This isn't communism, he was not disrespectful to you personally, nor the country, he was disagreeing with a historic action that many agree with him and his opinion. We need to banish this custom of having to salute a flag, sing a song, stand up tall etc.... It's gone, done with, and follows the same expectations as created and administered by the oligarchy and powers that diminish our free will. People don't have to eat with the knife in their right hand, they don't have to marry the opposite sex, women can vote, wear trousers, they don't have to pray or sing hymns, they don't have to wave a flag to be patriotic, go to the match to be a supporter, men can do the dishes ffs and Gary couples can have kids etc etc etc. Best to do away with national anthems if this is all it brings, it is easy too political for sport anyway... In my opinion. Patriotism is archaic is it not? Those are your views, I respect them, but I disagree with a lot of them. I trust that's ok? As recently a the last World Cup, I saw people from a variety of cultural backgrounds celebrating England's success. I know plenty of people from all sorts of backgrounds who are proud to be "English" or "British". I am patriotic, I love my country with all it's diversity and multi cultural aspects. I do wish people would keep politics out of sport. But let's not forget who brought it in to this particular debate through his actions of the past. JM was it not? No, patriotism is not archaic. Nobody forces me to be patriotic. I choose to be patriotic, as do millions of others. I don't like religions of any sort, but I accept people's wishes to have one. I'm not quite sure how you get to all the valid points you make about women, gays, sexuality, etc. etc. unless you somehow think that because I choose to be patriotic, I may have some archaic views on those subjects too. Not so. Whichever way you look at it, like it or not, JM is dividing supporters at a time we need to come together. From a purely footballing perspective, I don't think he was worth the trouble. That he comes with additional "baggage" (for want of better words) just adds to the division. I have a suspicion that you and I will probably never quite see eye to eye on this one though I do see some shreds of common ground. I hope you do to.
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Post by woza40 on Jul 21, 2018 23:32:15 GMT
I hope he plays to the best of his ability, every minute he gets.fights for our cause,wears our shirt with pride. And respect our support for the club.
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Post by bristolpotter on Jul 22, 2018 5:28:32 GMT
You can’t have it both ways, respect McClean for his his views but slate those views who oppose them? Fairs fair isn’t it or is it an agenda anyone who speaks out is a right wing racist bigot ffs no mate some people hold our values and flag dear to heart how hard is that to understand ? Turning your back on our anthem is huge kick in the bollocks, I lived in the states for three years sucked it up pledged my alliance to their flag it’s called respect and if I didn’t I’d expect to get abuse in spades and rightly so, modern England encompasses all that is wrong in society where we look after criminals and enemies to the state better than an our own, what a load of fucking bollocks, free speech mate, yeah but only if you’re hovering on the left, the rest will be silenced.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 22, 2018 5:32:44 GMT
Much needed grit and steel in the squad, he comes across as a rough and ready player, and a bit of a fighter and that is exactly what we need.
Couldn't give two shits about his views.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2018 5:36:44 GMT
Nice to see this thread still going strong. However, I'd like to see a "James McClean the footballer" thread so us people who simply couldn't give a shit about anything else other than football can talk about his performances on the pitch. Those who want to go around in the same shitty circle can stay on this thread.
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Jul 22, 2018 5:37:57 GMT
He aint, we are doing it all by ourselves Yes we are, its all matter of opinion but most people are being wayyyyy to aggressive towards eachother leading to aggresive responses. I'm still waiting for the phrase 'keyboard warrior' to appear though. It already has mate! That is why I dropped off this thread. If you do not follow the party line of the influential few, you become susceptible to personal abuse and you are a keyboard warrior etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 5:55:27 GMT
This thread rumbles on! I wonder if it will break the record for longest thread. Let's say he signs a 4 year contract, that 4 years of not wearing a poppy. I may come back in 3 years time to drop a comment on here. goo.gl/images/fL34PW
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 22, 2018 6:00:29 GMT
Log into the oatcake
First thing I see is someone wish a broken leg on one of our players
Next, see that James McClean is now blamed for a bombing that happened in 1993.
Log out the oatcake.
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Post by rawli on Jul 22, 2018 6:27:44 GMT
Roll on poppy day.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 22, 2018 6:29:03 GMT
Admin please lock this thread. The whole political debate was interesting for 5 pages. Now it’s taken over the whole thread.
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