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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 24, 2018 19:51:24 GMT
Isn't that where the Yanks had their UFO experiments?
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Post by crapslinger on May 24, 2018 19:52:00 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. When you say "can we stop this he hasn't scored for nearly two years" bit.....have you ever sat back and wondered why he's hardly been playing?? Is it because W.B.A. and us had world class strikers who despite his ability he just couldn't replace? Nope Is it because he had serious, long term injuries that he's struggled to come back from? Nope Is it because he was being played out of position so couldn't adapt? Nope He hasn't played because 3 out of his last 3 managers didn't think he was up to standard and 2 of them said he wasn't even physically fit enough to be playing in the Premiership. Who's fault is that exactly??? Ok, so as a squad we weren't fit enough in general last year but given Lambert's opinion of Berahino, how unfit must he have been if he wasn't even fit enough for our bench and had to be demoted to the U23s and then the reserves??? Do you really think it's a coincidence that Pulis wouldn't play him, Hughes wouldn't and Lambert wouldn't? Why is it always someone else's fault? At what point is the player himself expected to take some responsibility, man up and as a Professional footballer actually start showing some professionalism??? He gets paid tens of thousands a week and the only absolute must that is rightly expected from the club and us as supporters (as we can't insist on him scoring or else as that's not realistic) is that he's actually fit enough to form part of the squad and is giving his best. It's a minimum requirement every Prem footballer (in fact every footballer full stop) should accept and he can't even be fucked to do that as he doesn't bloody well even get to training or games on time. If he wants rid of the tag of someone who hasn't scored for 2 years then it's up to HIM no one else to change that by first of all actually being able to compete for a place. Can you imagine how bloody insulting it must have been to the few players we had this season who WERE giving 100%, to see him turn up as and when he could be arsed in an unfit state then moan every day on instagram about how unfair his life was? He's supposed to a professional, grown man not an entitled, spoilt prick who can't even be fucked to turn up on time and has such a lack of respect for his fellow colleagues or fans of the club
P.S. As i said earlier, it isn't up to a manager to turn a player's career around. That's like saying it's up to AA to turn an alcoholic's life around or it's up to Weight Watchers to turn an obese person's life around. IT ISN'T!!!!! All they can do (same as a manager) is give advice, instruct and try to inspire. The reason why people have their lives turned around is because of the people THEMSELVES...because THEY show a bit of gumption, a bit of desire, graft like fuck and give every bit of determination and will power they have to succeed at what they're striving to do. Most importantly however, they admit and acknowledge it's THEIR responsibility as it's THEIR bloody life and it's up to THEM to change it. That goes for bloody everything in life! That's why people who turn their life around rightly get the plaudits and the respect they do, because THEY did the hard work themselves, the others (manager in this case) are there to support, help and reward hard graft, not just hand him a place when he can't be arsed to work as hard as everyone else. What does Berahino do constantly on social media (and i for some reason follow the dick so have seen it myself)? Sits back and blames everyone else and moans about how badly he's being treated by not being played. It's up to HIM to put that work and effort it, train bloody hard, work bloody hard and convince the manager he deserves a place. Then if he gets on the pitch, continue working bloody hard and he'll get the results he wants of scoring again. He needs to realise you EARN a place and an opportunity in any side, you don't just get one automatically because you signed a professional contract.
The lad needs to grow the fuck up and stop thinking the world owes him a favour or pretty soon, what could have been a great footballing career a few years back will fast turn into early retirement and having to be satisfied with non-league football as the whole country nowadays know what a lazy, unprofessional dick he can be
Bravo Mick one of the best posts you have ever produced , I am sick to fucking death of these soft twats making excuse after excuse after excuse for this fucking waste of oxygen, poor little lamb comes from Burundi etc. blah blah blah blah he's a fucking idle useless c**t stealing a living from our club.
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Post by adi on May 24, 2018 20:58:02 GMT
Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR> I fail to see how you can juxtapose Berahino with Bojan, as if their problems are of a similar nature. I think it’s because neither have been playing for SCFC
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 24, 2018 21:22:50 GMT
Berahino has contributed to our relegation no doubt about it. He’s a parasite feeding off our club and has put nothing back into it.
I would make him train on his own running up and down mountains and fine him every time he turns up late for said training.
I’ve never met the guy, but I can be pretty sure he’s a self indulged little gobshite.
I don’t wish him injury or whatever but I want him out of our club. A couple of goals in the Championship will not my opinion of him
In a world of overpaid primadonna footballers it takes something really special to stand out from the crowd but this guy has managed it.
I do wish the club would take some sort of moral stance and get him gone somehow, rather than let this drift on for another 4 years of him bringing our great club into disrepute. Write off the money, do whatever, but just get him gone. I’m sick of these threads predicting he might get rehabilitated and become a star again. He won’t because he’s actually a pretty shit footballer even without his off field problems
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 24, 2018 21:38:06 GMT
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Post by tony1234 on May 24, 2018 23:32:40 GMT
Beharinho is a gormless, thick waster. We should ban him from the ground and training pitches and tell him that there is £2m waiting for him if he ever wants to leave. Other than that, stay away because he is a dementer. Any self-respecting professional would resign after costing his business as much as he has, while utterly failing in return. But that's the problem, he isn't a professional. Bigger/more important/more holistic and (positive) things for Stoke's staff to focus on that trying to nurture this sack of cack back to some sort of form. SB has the money to go and sort out his head if he wanted to He is one of them - Nathan Delefonsu, Ravel Morrison, Nile Ranger,.. and before that... Billy Kenny, Ritchie Humphries. I'd prefer Akinfenwa in our squad.
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Post by GoBoks on May 25, 2018 0:43:22 GMT
I agree, I want him to deliver the goods we have paid for and hope that we can turn around Berahino, Imbula and Bojan. However, until any of them actually start to prove they are willing to fit in, work hard, and deliver what's expected, they will remain (rightly in my opinion) outcasts. As a matter of interest, do you know how many minutes Berahino has PLAYED without scoring? How many penalties he has missed in this time? What the longest run of minutes played by any striker in the top flight has been? I think you are in for a rude surprise! Imbula didn't want to play for Stoke in the PL, what makes you think he'll be more enthusiastic playing in the Championship. Berahino is worse because he obviously doesn't want to play anywhere. You can't fault Bojan's enthusiasm but his career is over. I don’t. But it’s still worth trying.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2018 6:43:45 GMT
There is no room for sympathy in football? How does that marry with your Berahino apologism? I believe, having seen Berahino since he was a young boy, that he is a talented striker. What has perhaps happened in this young man's life can happen to any young adult! Stoke have invested £13m in this young player and I'm not an advocat of just writing this money off. A new manager like Rowett might be able to resolve this sad saga and I have faith in my judgement. At no point have I ever disrespected Shawcross and I certainly haven't mentioned selling him. Rowett's job is to continually sign better players to move us forward. If we acquire better defenders than we already have I will have great hope for our future. 1) You said there was 'no room for sympathy in football' yet you make excuse after excuse for Berahino. 2) Talent means nothing without application. Without application, talent withers and dies. So however good he was 'as a young man', that isn't the player we're seeing. 3) Three managers have now washed their hands of him but you're convinced a fourth is going to unlock him? Shawcross will be far more important to the cause next season than Berahino. He's still comfortably fit for purpose. Berahino isn't.
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Post by silverdollar on May 25, 2018 9:37:41 GMT
I believe, having seen Berahino since he was a young boy, that he is a talented striker. What has perhaps happened in this young man's life can happen to any young adult! Stoke have invested £13m in this young player and I'm not an advocat of just writing this money off. A new manager like Rowett might be able to resolve this sad saga and I have faith in my judgement. At no point have I ever disrespected Shawcross and I certainly haven't mentioned selling him. Rowett's job is to continually sign better players to move us forward. If we acquire better defenders than we already have I will have great hope for our future. 1) You said there was 'no room for sympathy in football' yet you make excuse after excuse for Berahino. 2) Talent means nothing without application. Without application, talent withers and dies. So however good he was 'as a young man', that isn't the player we're seeing. 3) Three managers have now washed their hands of him but you're convinced a fourth is going to unlock him? Shawcross will be far more important to the cause next season than Berahino. He's still comfortably fit for purpose. Berahino isn't. I will repeat myself! Stoke have invested £13m in Berahino. Another Hughes Faux Pas. There is no room for sympathy in football but Berahino is tied to a contract and will receive a good wage until it expires. This is not Berahino's fault although his reported behaviour has undoubtably upset many. Nevertheless a new manager has an opportunity to turnaround obvious problems because I do not foresee many teams wanting to pay for him. I will be happy to see Stoke bring in new forwards who keep Berahino out of the team but I am unwilling to just write him off!
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Post by philb on May 25, 2018 10:00:32 GMT
Yes because England are that good that they have a divine right to only pick players from the Premier League and don’t have to stoop so low as to pick someone from the Championship 🙄
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2018 11:01:01 GMT
1) You said there was 'no room for sympathy in football' yet you make excuse after excuse for Berahino. 2) Talent means nothing without application. Without application, talent withers and dies. So however good he was 'as a young man', that isn't the player we're seeing. 3) Three managers have now washed their hands of him but you're convinced a fourth is going to unlock him? Shawcross will be far more important to the cause next season than Berahino. He's still comfortably fit for purpose. Berahino isn't. I will repeat myself! Stoke have invested £13m in Berahino. Another Hughes Faux Pas. There is no room for sympathy in football but Berahino is tied to a contract and will receive a good wage until it expires. This is not Berahino's fault although his reported behaviour has undoubtably upset many. Nevertheless a new manager has an opportunity to turnaround obvious problems because I do not foresee many teams wanting to pay for him. I will be happy to see Stoke bring in new forwards who keep Berahino out of the team but I am unwilling to just write him off! All that guff about boo hoo, he hasn't played so don't be mean to him, he's a talented player cleaves awfully close to sounding like 'sympathy' to me. Sometimes you have to write a player off because it's plainly never going to happen, irrespective of what they cost. See Palacios, Wilson and Imbula, Gianelli.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2018 11:01:56 GMT
Yes because England are that good that they have a divine right to only pick players from the Premier League and don’t have to stoop so low as to pick someone from the Championship 🙄 I think ideally you want your players to be playing at the highest possible level they can, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 11:03:41 GMT
He needs a couple of months boot camp to instil some backbone! Possibly major surgery needed a backbone, brain and heart needed. And an alarm clock...
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 25, 2018 11:11:15 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. When you say "can we stop this he hasn't scored for nearly two years" bit.....have you ever sat back and wondered why he's hardly been playing?? Is it because W.B.A. and us had world class strikers who despite his ability he just couldn't replace? Nope Is it because he had serious, long term injuries that he's struggled to come back from? Nope Is it because he was being played out of position so couldn't adapt? Nope He hasn't played because 3 out of his last 3 managers didn't think he was up to standard and 2 of them said he wasn't even physically fit enough to be playing in the Premiership. Who's fault is that exactly??? Ok, so as a squad we weren't fit enough in general last year but given Lambert's opinion of Berahino, how unfit must he have been if he wasn't even fit enough for our bench and had to be demoted to the U23s and then the reserves??? Do you really think it's a coincidence that Pulis wouldn't play him, Hughes wouldn't and Lambert wouldn't? Why is it always someone else's fault? At what point is the player himself expected to take some responsibility, man up and as a Professional footballer actually start showing some professionalism??? He gets paid tens of thousands a week and the only absolute must that is rightly expected from the club and us as supporters (as we can't insist on him scoring or else as that's not realistic) is that he's actually fit enough to form part of the squad and is giving his best. It's a minimum requirement every Prem footballer (in fact every footballer full stop) should accept and he can't even be fucked to do that as he doesn't bloody well even get to training or games on time. If he wants rid of the tag of someone who hasn't scored for 2 years then it's up to HIM no one else to change that by first of all actually being able to compete for a place. Can you imagine how bloody insulting it must have been to the few players we had this season who WERE giving 100%, to see him turn up as and when he could be arsed in an unfit state then moan every day on instagram about how unfair his life was? He's supposed to a professional, grown man not an entitled, spoilt prick who can't even be fucked to turn up on time and has such a lack of respect for his fellow colleagues or fans of the club P.S. As i said earlier, it isn't up to a manager to turn a player's career around. That's like saying it's up to AA to turn an alcoholic's life around or it's up to Weight Watchers to turn an obese person's life around. IT ISN'T!!!!! All they can do (same as a manager) is give advice, instruct and try to inspire. The reason why people have their lives turned around is because of the people THEMSELVES...because THEY show a bit of gumption, a bit of desire, graft like fuck and give every bit of determination and will power they have to succeed at what they're striving to do. Most importantly however, they admit and acknowledge it's THEIR responsibility as it's THEIR bloody life and it's up to THEM to change it. That goes for bloody everything in life! That's why people who turn their life around rightly get the plaudits and the respect they do, because THEY did the hard work themselves, the others (manager in this case) are there to support, help and reward hard graft, not just hand him a place when he can't be arsed to work as hard as everyone else. What does Berahino do constantly on social media (and i for some reason follow the dick so have seen it myself)? Sits back and blames everyone else and moans about how badly he's being treated by not being played. It's up to HIM to put that work and effort it, train bloody hard, work bloody hard and convince the manager he deserves a place. Then if he gets on the pitch, continue working bloody hard and he'll get the results he wants of scoring again. He needs to realise you EARN a place and an opportunity in any side, you don't just get one automatically because you signed a professional contract.
The lad needs to grow the fuck up and stop thinking the world owes him a favour or pretty soon, what could have been a great footballing career a few years back will fast turn into early retirement and having to be satisfied with non-league football as the whole country nowadays know what a lazy, unprofessional dick he can be
RIP Berahino sympathisers. Great post.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 25, 2018 11:22:02 GMT
1) You said there was 'no room for sympathy in football' yet you make excuse after excuse for Berahino. 2) Talent means nothing without application. Without application, talent withers and dies. So however good he was 'as a young man', that isn't the player we're seeing. 3) Three managers have now washed their hands of him but you're convinced a fourth is going to unlock him? Shawcross will be far more important to the cause next season than Berahino. He's still comfortably fit for purpose. Berahino isn't. I will repeat myself! Stoke have invested £13m in Berahino. Another Hughes Faux Pas. There is no room for sympathy in football but Berahino is tied to a contract and will receive a good wage until it expires. This is not Berahino's fault although his reported behaviour has undoubtably upset many. Nevertheless a new manager has an opportunity to turnaround obvious problems because I do not foresee many teams wanting to pay for him. I will be happy to see Stoke bring in new forwards who keep Berahino out of the team but I am unwilling to just write him off! Unfortunately mate however good Rowett may be he will only be able to have an impact on Berahino's professional life. The lad himself will need to sort his private life out (because it ultimately impacts on his career) and he seems to have no intention of doing that.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 13:27:05 GMT
Beharinho is a gormless, thick waster. We should ban him from the ground and training pitches and tell him that there is £2m waiting for him if he ever wants to leave. Other than that, stay away because he is a dementer. Any self-respecting professional would resign after costing his business as much as he has, while utterly failing in return. But that's the problem, he isn't a professional. Bigger/more important/more holistic and (positive) things for Stoke's staff to focus on that trying to nurture this sack of cack back to some sort of form. SB has the money to go and sort out his head if he wanted to He is one of them - Nathan Delefonsu, Ravel Morrison, Nile Ranger,.. and before that... Billy Kenny, Ritchie Humphries. I'd prefer Akinfenwa in our squad. I essentially agree with what you say about the boy, but the reason that we can't do what you're suggesting, i.e let him go with a £2M bonus is a) It would set a very bad precedence if ever we have another player of the same ilk. b) It would be an absurd insult to any and all the players staying who don't get any bonus for doing their job c) We would look even more stupid than we already do, if he then goes and signs with, say, Wolves or Cardiff, on a free, with all fees and wages pocketed by him, and he then starts scoring sometime along the way. Cardiff might sign him because their chairman is mad enough and Wolves might sign him, because he lives nearby. Both clubs' fans would love to rub it in.
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Post by Old School Stokie on May 25, 2018 14:11:19 GMT
And what will Jack think if he doesnt get a game - reality check. He is not as good as he thinks? Better buckle down and show what he's made of and no better place than SCFC on the up - lets face it last seasons performances by him were not great even though he had more practice than any other Premier League goalie - who the F..k does he think he is
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Post by jarvinski on May 25, 2018 14:24:55 GMT
If wd paid WBA by credit card, surely we should get our money back, because he doesn’t do what it says on the tin
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Post by tony1234 on May 25, 2018 15:35:14 GMT
Beharinho is a gormless, thick waster. We should ban him from the ground and training pitches and tell him that there is £2m waiting for him if he ever wants to leave. Other than that, stay away because he is a dementer. Any self-respecting professional would resign after costing his business as much as he has, while utterly failing in return. But that's the problem, he isn't a professional. Bigger/more important/more holistic and (positive) things for Stoke's staff to focus on that trying to nurture this sack of cack back to some sort of form. SB has the money to go and sort out his head if he wanted to He is one of them - Nathan Delefonsu, Ravel Morrison, Nile Ranger,.. and before that... Billy Kenny, Ritchie Humphries. I'd prefer Akinfenwa in our squad. I essentially agree with what you say about the boy, but the reason that we can't do what you're suggesting, i.e let him go with a £2M bonus is a) It would set a very bad precedence if ever we have another player of the same ilk. b) It would be an absurd insult to any and all the players staying who don't get any bonus for doing their job c) We would look even more stupid than we already do, if he then goes and signs with, say, Wolves or Cardiff, on a free, with all fees and wages pocketed by him, and he then starts scoring sometime along the way. Cardiff might sign him because their chairman is mad enough and Wolves might sign him, because he lives nearby. Both clubs' fans would love to rub it in. I know. on a and b! Fair enough. Point is - he is already loaded, money is not the currency to hurt him with, as it has gone past that point. Getting shut and say, "he was such a poor character, we had to get rid of him" may well damage his future career amitions On c, I'm confident he is an emotional weakling. He'd need mental strength to do that.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 17:45:57 GMT
I essentially agree with what you say about the boy, but the reason that we can't do what you're suggesting, i.e let him go with a £2M bonus is a) It would set a very bad precedence if ever we have another player of the same ilk. b) It would be an absurd insult to any and all the players staying who don't get any bonus for doing their job c) We would look even more stupid than we already do, if he then goes and signs with, say, Wolves or Cardiff, on a free, with all fees and wages pocketed by him, and he then starts scoring sometime along the way. Cardiff might sign him because their chairman is mad enough and Wolves might sign him, because he lives nearby. Both clubs' fans would love to rub it in. I know. on a and b! Fair enough. Point is - he is already loaded, money is not the currency to hurt him with, as it has gone past that point. Getting shut and say, "he was such a poor character, we had to get rid of him" may well damage his future career amitions On c, I'm confident he is an emotional weakling. He'd need mental strength to do that. I seriously doubt he knows our rivalry with Cardiff and Wolves, and even if someone told him, he doesn't care. If Cardiff did sign him, it would ensure another couple of years of wages without doing anything.
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