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Post by FullerMagic on May 24, 2018 9:58:22 GMT
His wages make him unshiftable, you'd think.
Even though his level now is Championship, maybe even lower, how many teams could move for a player on £3.5m-a-year for the next 4 years?
He's obviously going to sit tight on his contract. It may even be his last one?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 9:58:53 GMT
A non-scoring striker? I think we're stuck with him. The only hope is that we can come to an agreement to pay him off.
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Post by leoncort on May 24, 2018 10:03:54 GMT
Or see if a young manager can connect with him and get his career back on track? hughes' laid back regime probably wasnt ideal for Berahino, i know he doesnt deserve a final chance but it may be worth our while to give him one. If he gets a couple of goals in pre season his confidence may lift and he could feature next year.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 10:24:19 GMT
I think he will play a part next season.
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Post by GoBoks on May 24, 2018 10:24:25 GMT
Or see if a young manager can connect with him and get his career back on track? hughes' laid back regime probably wasnt ideal for Berahino, i know he doesnt deserve a final chance but it may be worth our while to give him one. If he gets a couple of goals in pre season his confidence may lift and he could feature next year. Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR>
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Post by silverdollar on May 24, 2018 10:41:15 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround.
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Post by leoncort on May 24, 2018 10:41:20 GMT
Or see if a young manager can connect with him and get his career back on track? hughes' laid back regime probably wasnt ideal for Berahino, i know he doesnt deserve a final chance but it may be worth our while to give him one. If he gets a couple of goals in pre season his confidence may lift and he could feature next year. Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR> Exactly my thinking, Berahino and Bojan can be effectively two new signings for us and could thrive and gain the support of the fans after only a small number of good performances. Imbula will be a harder task i feel, he has gone through a full season with struggling Toulouse so is potentially up for a fight. Not sure he will fancy it but lets see what Gary can get out of him. I was at Sheff UTD pre season game last year and he came on for a bit, looked class on the ball and nobody could get it off him, could be unreal in the championship.
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Post by crownmeking on May 24, 2018 10:44:59 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. Okay, forget about everything that might or might not be true, and just concentrate on his on field performances, that information should give you all you need to know about him.
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Post by nott1 on May 24, 2018 10:47:54 GMT
He needs a couple of months boot camp to instil some backbone!
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Post by westgatelakes on May 24, 2018 10:51:43 GMT
I think we`ve got next to no chance of selling him or even finding someone who wants him on loan, so we need to hope that he responds to GR`s management and gets back to his form of about 3 yrs ago, after all, he has proven that he can score goals in the past.
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Post by crapslinger on May 24, 2018 10:53:58 GMT
He needs a couple of months boot camp to instil some backbone! Possibly major surgery needed a backbone, brain and heart needed.
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Post by crapslinger on May 24, 2018 10:57:38 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. Four months out due to a self inflicted drugs ban numerous stories in the press before he even signed for us, that the sort of evidence that says the man is a total and utter loser, the reason he is not playing is because he is not good enough to play simple. A striker that has not scored in two years is not fit to be called a striker
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 24, 2018 10:58:00 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. Weren't you sticking the boot into Shawcross yesterday while you constantly preach patience with this waster?
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Post by wagsastokie on May 24, 2018 11:06:11 GMT
His wages make him unshiftable, you'd think. Even though his level now is Championship, maybe even lower, how many teams could move for a player on £3.5m-a-year for the next 4 years? He's obviously going to sit tight on his contract. It may even be his last one? Offer him 7 million to piss off or he can sit tight and we will keep fining him till he behaves Time to cut are losses and get rid of the stain form the club
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 24, 2018 11:07:12 GMT
Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR> Exactly my thinking, Berahino and Bojan can be effectively two new signings for us and could thrive and gain the support of the fans after only a small number of good performances. Imbula will be a harder task i feel, he has gone through a full season with struggling Toulouse so is potentially up for a fight. Not sure he will fancy it but lets see what Gary can get out of him. I was at Sheff UTD pre season game last year and he came on for a bit, looked class on the ball and nobody could get it off him, could be unreal in the championship.
MASSIVE difference between Bojan and Berahino though mate.
Bojan wasn't disciplined by the club for turning up for training late, turning up for games late and then continuing to do it regardless. Bojan actually worked hard after his injury, went out on loan as and when asked and showed he was willing to do what it takes to get his career back on track (whether that would be with us or someone else).
Berahino is lazy, ill-discipined and has't shown anything to anyone that he's willing to actually work hard himself to get his career back on track and we're not the first club that have had this problem with him are we.
Bojan has ambition to better himself as a footballer....Berahino has ambition to better his own lifestyle and celebrity, and has figured out you can get paid without really having to achieve much so why bother putting the effort in when he's already got a nice, fat wage for doing fuck all.
Yes, a new manager can make a difference to players but ONLY if those players are willing to put in the effort themselves. The manager can inspire, recommend changes a player can make and give them a morale boost but he can't do the graft for the player. Make no mistake, no matter how good a manager is or how well a player takes to him, the onus is still ALWAYS on the player to do what HE needs to do to show what he's capable of. Berahino has shown he is not only not willing to take that responsibility on himself, but has thrown his toys out of the pram whenever it's been asked of him.
All Berahino has shown to every possible suitor out there is that he is workshy, entitled, a diva, a "bad egg", is more interested in bloody instagram than he is in actually working at his job and is a goalscorer who doesn't score goals. He's been in the tabloids enough over the last year or so to ensure that this isn't a secret that only supporters of Stoke are privvy too, it's now known nationally by everybody. I'd be stunned if anyone above League 1 would take him on to be honest and (as has been mentioned before), his ego will never allow him to take such a necessary massive pay cut to go to a lower league club.
We're stuck with the up his own arse, social media whore i'm afraid.
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Post by philb on May 24, 2018 11:12:48 GMT
I’ve never seen a footballer with a bigger case of CBA than Berahino...... except maybe Imbula 😂
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Post by eatonpotter on May 24, 2018 11:42:17 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. Cannot represent England without a lot of hard graft and a small amount of skill Step forward Mr Nile wannabe gangster Ranger 😀 Both of the same mould, both totally useless
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Post by magwitch on May 24, 2018 11:43:15 GMT
I would have thought that Berahino could be sacked for breach of contract. There must be a clause or clauses to cover the various breaches of rules etc which he seems to flout with nothing but an insignificant fine. He is deliberately making himself unable to perform his duties to an acceptable standard and dragging the reputation of the Club through the dirt. This must be enough under English Law, never mind contract law, to send him packing with minimal payoff.
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Post by Fred Merger on May 24, 2018 11:52:25 GMT
Wont his wages have been reduced due to relegation?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 24, 2018 11:53:58 GMT
Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR> Exactly my thinking, Berahino and Bojan can be effectively two new signings for us and could thrive and gain the support of the fans after only a small number of good performances. Imbula will be a harder task i feel, he has gone through a full season with struggling Toulouse so is potentially up for a fight. Not sure he will fancy it but lets see what Gary can get out of him. I was at Sheff UTD pre season game last year and he came on for a bit, looked class on the ball and nobody could get it off him, could be unreal in the championship. I'm not sure we have the time to give them another chance, it would be nice if it were to happen, but our wage bill is going to be massive for the Champ and we're going to have to sell/release/loan a few so we can bring others in, for me I think its time to be ruthless, we're in this mess due to shoddy signings and poor attitudes, cull the lot of them and lets rebuild with the players that can be bothered and shown their willing.
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Post by slicko on May 24, 2018 11:54:37 GMT
I think he will play a part next season. Regent Theatre, Widow Twanky
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Post by loosestools on May 24, 2018 11:54:54 GMT
I would have thought that Berahino could be sacked for breach of contract. There must be a clause or clauses to cover the various breaches of rules etc which he seems to flout with nothing but an insignificant fine. He is deliberately making himself unable to perform his duties to an acceptable standard and dragging the reputation of the Club through the dirt. This must be enough under English Law, never mind contract law, to send him packing with minimal payoff. Magwitch, I've been stating this for months and like you, I cannot fathom out the contractual or legal issues.
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Post by northstaffycher on May 24, 2018 12:01:03 GMT
Maybe Berinho could get into Nello's old chicken suit and find a new role as kit man / morale raiser?
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Post by crapslinger on May 24, 2018 12:09:06 GMT
Maybe Berinho could get into Nello's old chicken suit and find a new role as kit man / morale raiser? More likely a black sheep costume.
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Post by crapslinger on May 24, 2018 12:10:45 GMT
I will not argue that Berahino has been a major problem for the club since we signed him but we do get so much crap written about him when the authors of such dross have no real knowledge(factual) of what he has done, what he has said, and what his attitude is really like. I only know that you do not get to represent England without a lot of hard graft and not a small amount of skill. Can we stop this "he hasn't scored for nearly two years" because he just hasn't been playing hardly. Yes Stoke have a mess to sort this problem out because a rift has grown between club and player but I sincerely believe that Berahino can, if he wants to, change his career around. And let's hope Rowett is a manager who can achieve this turnaround. Okay, forget about everything that might or might not be true, and just concentrate on his on field performances, that information should give you all you need to know about him. He can't even be arsed to get himself fit FFS.
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Post by knyperstokie on May 24, 2018 12:16:50 GMT
Maybe Berinho could get into Nello's old chicken suit and find a new role as kit man / morale raiser?
I'd put him on show every week so that the fans can shown him what they think of him. Nothing else will work - I doubt loads of abuse won't, but I'd feel a bit better letting him know what a waste of space he is.
The public stocks are a thing of the past unfortunately.
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Post by robrigo on May 24, 2018 12:20:23 GMT
Bollocks to Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula.
I don’t want to see any of them play for Stoke again.
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Post by GoBoks on May 24, 2018 12:22:39 GMT
Likewise Imbula and Bojan. I'm not saying put them in the team, but have a chat with them, let them show what they are WILLING to do (we know what they CAN do)and if they take the opportunity, voila, it's like a new signing. Perhaps we have changed from "The Stray Dogs Home" of the Tony Pulis Championship era to "The Last Chance Saloon" of the Gary Rowett Championship YEAR> Exactly my thinking, Berahino and Bojan can be effectively two new signings for us and could thrive and gain the support of the fans after only a small number of good performances. Imbula will be a harder task i feel, he has gone through a full season with struggling Toulouse so is potentially up for a fight. Not sure he will fancy it but lets see what Gary can get out of him. I was at Sheff UTD pre season game last year and he came on for a bit, looked class on the ball and nobody could get it off him, could be unreal in the championship. While Imbula has spent a season with struggling Toulouse, he seems to have played more than the other two, so might in fact be the easier of the three to rehabilitate. Please please please let all three shine!
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 24, 2018 12:36:28 GMT
I would have thought that Berahino could be sacked for breach of contract. There must be a clause or clauses to cover the various breaches of rules etc which he seems to flout with nothing but an insignificant fine. He is deliberately making himself unable to perform his duties to an acceptable standard and dragging the reputation of the Club through the dirt. This must be enough under English Law, never mind contract law, to send him packing with minimal payoff. Magwitch, I've been stating this for months and like you, I cannot fathom out the contractual or legal issues. Perhaps beranogoals can be a test case to see what happens if his contract is cancelled and he is sacked.
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Post by Northy on May 24, 2018 12:37:00 GMT
I think he will play a part next season. In a xmas pantomine?
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