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Post by Gods on May 23, 2018 9:36:03 GMT
We spent a cool £12 million on Moritz and Badou didn't we? I'm pretty sure with those 2 extra players Hughes would have turned 2 of the draws in to wins that it would have taken to stay up. It was insanity to replace Hughes with Lambert when we did. The board should have hung tough, they knew it was the wrong thing to do but the pressure broke them in the end. It's going to cost them a fortune to make up for it. Live and learn I guess. Just hope its not 23 years back this time. Agree with this. In reality we should have sacked Hughes last summer but we all know this. The arrival of Rowett and the noise of a massive war chest has given me that tingling feeling again. I can’t wait to see who we sign and I can’t wait for next season either! Yes, I am not arguing Hughes did not deserve to be sacked, he absolutely did, only not at that time for that alternative. The summer before or the summer after would have been just fine for me!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 9:52:03 GMT
Didn’t he pull the strings with the appointment of Hughes ? Didn’t Peter have the final say? ...The first three seasons under Hughes I thoroughly enjoyed, three 9th places weren’t too bad 😉 I agree with that......so it’s a 3 year old new era?
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 23, 2018 10:02:23 GMT
Didn’t Peter have the final say? ...The first three seasons under Hughes I thoroughly enjoyed, three 9th places weren’t too bad 😉 I agree with that......so it’s a 3 year old new era? Rowett signed a three-year contract, so it looks like it...🙂
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2018 10:06:42 GMT
We spent £20 million in January, who spent more than that in the bottom half?
In net terms, I bet that’s £20 million more than we spend this summer
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:23:23 GMT
Agree with this. In reality we should have sacked Hughes last summer but we all know this. The arrival of Rowett and the noise of a massive war chest has given me that tingling feeling again. I can’t wait to see who we sign and I can’t wait for next season either! Yes, I am not arguing Hughes did not deserve to be sacked, he absolutely did, only not at that time for that alternative. The summer before or the summer after would have been just fine for me! Agreed or at anytime inbetween with a replacement that was an improvement in the bag before they pulled the trigger.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:25:37 GMT
We spent £20 million in January, who spent more than that in the bottom half? In net terms, I bet that’s £20 million more than we spend this summer In net terms it will probably be about £50M more than we spend this Summer but some people still call that investment or a war chest
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 23, 2018 10:29:48 GMT
We spent £20 million in January, who spent more than that in the bottom half? In net terms, I bet that’s £20 million more than we spend this summer In net terms it will probably be about £50M more than we spend this Summer but some people still call that investment or a war chest
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:29:51 GMT
We spent £20 million in January, who spent more than that in the bottom half? In net terms, I bet that’s £20 million more than we spend this summer The damage had been done in the Summer by selling our main attacking threat and replacing him with cheap rubbish, taking a profit in that window from transfers and going central defender crazy when we had no goalscorer with any sort of recent form.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:31:30 GMT
I know calling Wimmer a central defender is a very loose description.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:18 GMT
A defender even.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:32 GMT
A footballer.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:44 GMT
A man.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:34:39 GMT
No fat lesbian seems a more fitting description.
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Post by iglugluk on May 23, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
The decision to sack Hughes was correct but it was timed very, very badly. We all know this, I assume. The inability to find the striker we needed further compounded that mistake. Both of the above facts were not recognised by those that had the power to do something about them........ it's very hard to see how they were unable to see these problems but it appears that a nonchalant attitude had grown unabated over the last couple of seasons. The appointment of Rowett at least indicates that some lessons have been learnt. We have an interesting year ahead. Go on Stoke!!
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Post by mcw on May 23, 2018 11:21:45 GMT
I think the owners were trying to loyal to Hughes and then got stuck between a rock and a hard place- increasing calls for his head from fans/media etc to the point that his position became untenable even if they did want to keep him on. I.e. I think they would have liked to keep him on but the building pressure and intense speculation was doing no good for the team as a whole.
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Post by 58Potter on May 23, 2018 11:25:50 GMT
I’m just wondering at what point we’ll all start to look forward and stop looking back? Whether lessons have been learned time will tell, the proof will be in the pudding over the next 12 months or so, but to constantly keep reliving lasts seasons shitshow doesn’t really achieve anything...... Start looking forward when the squad starts taking shape, see what the football is like and what results it brings. Last season will linger in the memory for all the wrong reasons but at least it will linger unlike the season before it that was total meh. Some people never will prestwich they are like a broken record stuck on repeat, they must be a dream to live with.
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Post by mermaidsal on May 23, 2018 11:32:06 GMT
One more time I'd love to have been in the boardroom or at Coates Towers afterwards but tbh I think the conversation went something like: we've only got a best of the rest manager, he'll be lucky to stay up, since we've probably had it he gets an emergency transfer pot to see if he can work a miracle but that's his lot, let's keep the real dosh back for the real next manager whether we go down or not. Which I suspect poor old Lambo realised from the start.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 12:14:10 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins 🎯 I think he was always a temporary measure
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2018 12:24:14 GMT
One more time I'd love to have been in the boardroom or at Coates Towers afterwards but tbh I think the conversation went something like: we've only got a best of the rest manager, he'll be lucky to stay up, since we've probably had it he gets an emergency transfer pot to see if he can work a miracle but that's his lot, let's keep the real dosh back for the real next manager whether we go down or not. Which I suspect poor old Lambo realised from the start. Yeah, but I'm not sure a miracle was really needed. Just 2 of Lambert's draws turned in to wins would have given us 4 more points and done the trick! Charlie's penalty saved at the death v Brighton, Charlie failing to get first to the rebound despite having a 6 yard start on anyone else, Jack not throwing one in to his own net at Leicester. Any 2 of those 3 events would have done it. Of course these things even themselves out to some degree but I honestly don't believe we were in 'need a miracle' territory in the first week of January. A calm head to breed some confidence as we tried to close out matches and a spirit of inclusivity rather than falling out with 25% of the playing staff would have helped. Just my opinion, of course we will never know for sure!
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2018 12:25:42 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins 🎯 I think he was always a temporary measure granted but we should have limped over the line To be fair they did try to get a striker in but failed. Hard to get one of those in January especially when relegation is threatening If we had managed to beat WBA to Sturbridge a lot of fans would be happy, hoping he’d be fit and scored a few. But he still would have got injured and wed still be relegated. The damage was not done in the January window
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2018 12:27:40 GMT
One more time I'd love to have been in the boardroom or at Coates Towers afterwards but tbh I think the conversation went something like: we've only got a best of the rest manager, he'll be lucky to stay up, since we've probably had it he gets an emergency transfer pot to see if he can work a miracle but that's his lot, let's keep the real dosh back for the real next manager whether we go down or not. Which I suspect poor old Lambo realised from the start. Yeah, but I'm not sure a miracle was really needed. Just 2 of Lambert's draws turned in to wins would have given us 4 more points and done the trick! Charlie's penalty saved at the death v Brighton, Charlie failing to get first to the rebound despite having a 6 yard start on anyone else, Jack not throwing one in to his own net at Leicester. Any 2 of those 3 events would have done it. Of course these things even themselves out to some degree but I honestly don't believe we were in 'need a miracle' territory in the first week of January. A calm head to breed some confidence as we tried to close out matches and a spirit of inclusivity rather than falling out with 25% of the playing staff would have helped. Just my opinion, of course we will never know for sure! There are a few more individual errors we could mention. But that doesn’t excuse the mid management by the club or the in game management by Hughes and lambert all season.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 23, 2018 12:39:14 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. I’m waiting until I see what players we (if) get in, before being optimistic. If they wouldn’t invest in strikers back in Jan to stay in the premiership, will they invest in 6-7 new players for the new campaign ?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:12:40 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. Pretty easy to guess (and I am just guessing) what happened in January, to be honest. The club wanted Rowett or QSF, but we left it too late to sack Hughes and neither of them saw us as a more stable place to be than the clubs they were already at. Then we tried for Martin O'Neill, but him turning us down really hurt us and we felt panicked into appointing Lambert just to have a man in before the end of the transfer window. But Lambert was fourth choice, the board knew that they didn't really want him and that he would be an unpopular appointment with the fans, so they shoved a break clause in his contract and he was desperate enough for the job to roll with it. The board really thought we would be able to stay up with the forwards we had, and weren't fully prepared to back a manager they didn't really believe in or see as the ultimate long-term prospect. We gave him Bauer and Ndiaye, but they were obviously transfer team signings and not Lambert signings. Lambert was dreadful, even worse than the board expected, and he destroyed Diouf's confidence (who I suspect the board had pinned their goal-scoring hopes on?). Suddenly, through sheer luck and coincidence, we were in the very fortunate position where both of our top targets in January (plus David Moyes) were available again. So Peter and John Coates have promised to 'learn from their mistakes', fucked Lambert off, and appointed the man they wanted all along; one the actually trust to back in the transfer market. We can all guess, and some of our guesswork will be close to reality and some will be way off. However Lambert didnt destroy Diouf's confidence. Mame did that very well all by himself by missing the biggest bunch of sitters in living memory. Still love Mame, always will, but he more than any other player got us relegated. Adam gets a lot of the blame, not fully unjustified but he hardly played for us. Diouf on the other hand was almost first name on the team sheet.
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 13:45:59 GMT
One more time I'd love to have been in the boardroom or at Coates Towers afterwards but tbh I think the conversation went something like: we've only got a best of the rest manager, he'll be lucky to stay up, since we've probably had it he gets an emergency transfer pot to see if he can work a miracle but that's his lot, let's keep the real dosh back for the real next manager whether we go down or not. Which I suspect poor old Lambo realised from the start. Yeah, but I'm not sure a miracle was really needed. Just 2 of Lambert's draws turned in to wins would have given us 4 more points and done the trick! Charlie's penalty saved at the death v Brighton, Charlie failing to get first to the rebound despite having a 6 yard start on anyone else, Jack not throwing one in to his own net at Leicester. Any 2 of those 3 events would have done it. Of course these things even themselves out to some degree but I honestly don't believe we were in 'need a miracle' territory in the first week of January. A calm head to breed some confidence as we tried to close out matches and a spirit of inclusivity rather than falling out with 25% of the playing staff would have helped. Just my opinion, of course we will never know for sure! When Hughes left we were outside the relegation zone, and we then improved the squad. What was needed was some base-level competence, no miracle
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 14:32:11 GMT
🎯 I think he was always a temporary measure granted but we should have limped over the line To be fair they did try to get a striker in but failed. Hard to get one of those in January especially when relegation is threatening If we had managed to beat WBA to Sturbridge a lot of fans would be happy, hoping he’d be fit and scored a few. But he still would have got injured and wed still be relegated. The damage was not done in the January window Agreed. I still think Lambert was the wrong man even if we had survived 😬
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 23, 2018 15:17:45 GMT
Good debate.
I think it was a perfect storm of tripe. We left the incumbent in far too long hoping that we would be able to scrape by and replace in the summer. By the Cov game they realised that there was no other options and pulled the trigger.
We then had the debaclé of selecting a manager. The first choice procrastinated then took the piss, the second choice chose to stick instead of twist (his perogative) and the third choice probably asked for too much (if his Villa days are anything to go by). Therefore we are left with option no. 4. You're not going to give your fourth choice a massive kitty so we brought in what looks to have been pre-agreed and hoped.
In the lon term i think it will suit us well. The squad was aged, full of mediocrity and to the Coates family, the club is a longstanding labour of love, not a short term project. By being relegated, we get to rebuild, at a significantly lower cost base than we would have been rebuilding in the Premier League, with a nucleus of players who we can build on. Bear in mind we've only ever won the Autoglass/Division 2 with Coates at the helm. Be nice to win the football league for him as well.
All in all i move into next season with renewed hope, excitement and optimism for the future. I am excited to see what Rowett does squad wise but most of all, i'm excited at the prospect of us trying to win every game, instead of scrambling for the 12 wins a year that keep us in the league.
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Post by Davef on May 23, 2018 15:39:50 GMT
Yeah, but I'm not sure a miracle was really needed. Just 2 of Lambert's draws turned in to wins would have given us 4 more points and done the trick! Charlie's penalty saved at the death v Brighton, Charlie failing to get first to the rebound despite having a 6 yard start on anyone else, Jack not throwing one in to his own net at Leicester. Any 2 of those 3 events would have done it. Of course these things even themselves out to some degree but I honestly don't believe we were in 'need a miracle' territory in the first week of January. A calm head to breed some confidence as we tried to close out matches and a spirit of inclusivity rather than falling out with 25% of the playing staff would have helped. Just my opinion, of course we will never know for sure! When Hughes left we were outside the relegation zone, and we then improved the squad. What was needed was some base-level competence, no miracle We were 18th when Hughes was sacked after the Coventry game. All three of the clubs in the bottom three on that day eventually went down.
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 15:46:33 GMT
When Hughes left we were outside the relegation zone, and we then improved the squad. What was needed was some base-level competence, no miracle We were 18th when Hughes was sacked after the Coventry game. All three of the clubs in the bottom three on that day eventually went down. Fair enough just in the relly zone (on GD?). Still, hardly "great escape" territory
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:43:53 GMT
In net terms it will probably be about £50M more than we spend this Summer but some people still call that investment or a war chest Why are you waving? Are you going somewhere?
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