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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 17, 2018 12:40:20 GMT
Hope his pay has been adjusted down then based on the latest information
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Post by Godo on May 17, 2018 12:40:29 GMT
Pathetic excuse for a piece of journalism and if he has only been responsible for 5 signings in his five and a half years at the club then what the fuck has he been doing the rest of the time. ...apart from eating? Seems like his role is to be a bit of a chancer and go between but I'm not sure some fat nobody with his cv is going to open many doors! Another piece of lame PR that fails badly in it's transparent attempt to justify and sustain the failed status quo.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 12:47:02 GMT
Pathetic excuse for a piece of journalism and if he has only been responsible for 5 signings in his five and a half years at the club then what the fuck has he been doing the rest of the time. ...apart from eating? Seems like his role is to be a bit of a chancer and go between but I'm not sure some fat nobody with his cv is going to open many doors! Another piece of lame PR that fails badly in it's transparent attempt to justify and sustain the failed status quo. Coates stated there is nothing wrong with the process wake up you stupid old duffer the process and the people running it are a massive problem.
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Post by stokie23 on May 17, 2018 12:52:35 GMT
This is from his own mouth: "Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through to the first team." www.congletonhigh.com/253/mark-cartwright-technical-director-stoke-city-fcAnd if he isn't involved with the final say, he needs to go too. When he joined on 10th December 2012, the club said this: "In an increasingly complex market, it's important that we are as organised, thorough and skilled in this area as possible." Has he achieved that? Has he bollocks. He has to go. Great find this !
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Post by Roy Cropper on May 17, 2018 12:52:44 GMT
And in other news..
After the company went into administration - the Director of Sales at Toys 'R' Us is keeping his job after it turns out he wasn't actually responsible for the lack of sales BUT he was responsible for all of the sales that DID happen.
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Post by mamathestriker on May 17, 2018 12:57:44 GMT
Another find, this from the Stoke website when he joined www.stokecityfc.com/media/12799Some classics from Cartwright's own mouth: "As a department we have to live and by our decisions as well as the manager. We'll have to take responsibility for signings as well. They can't all be on the manager's shoulders." "We don't want to be in a situation on deadline days where we have to bring in 2,3,4 players." HIS WORDS WHEN HE JOINED. How on earth is he still here? More proof this Spinks article is an utter disgrace.
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Post by eriksson74 on May 17, 2018 13:04:44 GMT
I've said on a couple of occasions that he should have been sacked a while ago for taking the piss and using his time "scouting" & "opening doors" with his bit on the side instead.
The guys a chancer and only got the role as part of the Butland deal as he was his "representative" at the time.
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Post by starkiller on May 17, 2018 13:05:43 GMT
As I keep saying the local media are an absolute disgrace. Still waiting for Sandoz to get back to me on his thoughts about the lack of serious questioning of our hierarchy🙄 If they'd put supporter concerns to these people and put them on the spot then we may have avoided such a mess. Obviously they enjoy their prawn sandwiches too much.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 17, 2018 13:05:54 GMT
Having read it a few times I’m still utterly baffled by it.
It’s akin to a North Korean propaganda exercise.
Just what did the club think they could achieve by posting such tripe?
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Post by chigstoke on May 17, 2018 13:07:04 GMT
Spinks can deny it all he wants, it's evident club PR horse shite. The article should just have said 'Cartwright is wank'. End page.
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Post by generationex on May 17, 2018 13:08:19 GMT
In a darkened office within Clayton Wood a large figure is hunched over a phone:
“Hello this is Mark Cartwright... the former manager of Leek Town...
No Leek... Yeah it’s real place... it’s in Staffordshire... yes between Birmingham and Manchester... you can google it if you don’t believe me..
Well anyway I used to work for Beswicks in Newcastle-under-Lyme and I just wondered if...
No that’s the other one, you know ‘Whey-Aye-Man’... like Jimmy Nail or ‘Arr reet Gazza’ ...
Well how long will he be in the toilet for? Really?
Look, Stoke City have got 18 million quid to burn on a player you own and you’ll get 2 million quid in your pocket if we do a deal.
Ahh- he’s on his way now is he...”
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Post by santy on May 17, 2018 13:16:06 GMT
It was well publicised at the time that part of the reason Pulis and Rudge left were to make way for Cartwright and the new approach to transfers. Pulis wanted his own scouts, his own set-up, Rudge presumably didn't have much to do or fell in line with Pulis and backed that approach.
If all Cartwright was for was to make negotiations easier, an agent for the club on the clubs behalf (lots of clubs already have these, multiple even, and they don't remove their director of football to make it work). There was no reason for Rudge or Pulis to leave.
I don't believe Spinks is acting for a mouthpiece for the club here, he's been given a narrative and made it clear its come from those who are pre-disposed to thinking Cartwright is good. The first 4 sentences is Spinks firmly writing it in a way that puts it on these "supporters" of Cartwright rather than anything else.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 17, 2018 13:22:01 GMT
They're just laughing at us now aren't they. They might as well rub his fat bare arse in our faces. Shambolic is a euphemism for this lot!
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Post by andystokey on May 17, 2018 13:23:36 GMT
Another find, this from the Stoke website when he joined www.stokecityfc.com/media/12799Some classics from Cartwright's own mouth: "As a department we have to live and by our decisions as well as the manager. We'll have to take responsibility for signings as well. They can't all be on the manager's shoulders." "We don't want to be in a situation on deadline days where we have to bring in 2,3,4 players." HIS WORDS WHEN HE JOINED. How on earth is he still here? More proof this Spinks article is an utter disgrace. someone should send this to the Sentinel and check whether we are in newspeak or oldspeak.
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Post by realstokebloke on May 17, 2018 13:29:03 GMT
From the argus interview:
" ... and having that little bit of luck has got me here. And if I'd been crap at my job I wouldn't be here now."
Time for a poll on if we think he's crap or not and therefore whether he should be still "here"?
It might make the Lambert one look look like a split decision.
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Post by sutekh on May 17, 2018 13:36:15 GMT
This all goes to show the utter contempt that the owners have for the supporters.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 17, 2018 13:41:01 GMT
Very odd piece. It's incredible that he's dedicated an entire page to Cartwright's role without actually nailing down what he does. That's tremendous spin.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 17, 2018 13:43:33 GMT
Very odd piece. It's incredible that he's dedicated an entire page to Cartwright's role without actually nailing down what he does. That's tremendous spin. I stated earlier it was gutter journalism but in fact it’s quite a fantastic piece.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 17, 2018 14:04:27 GMT
Pathetic excuse for a piece of journalism and if he has only been responsible for 5 signings in his five and a half years at the club then what the fuck has he been doing the rest of the time. ...apart from eating? Seems like his role is to be a bit of a chancer and go between but I'm not sure some fat nobody with his cv is going to open many doors! Another piece of lame PR that fails badly in it's transparent attempt to justify and sustain the failed status quo. We made 35 signings under the Hughes tenure of 4.5 years so based upon being “responsible for 5 signings” he’s be paid a bloody good wage for very little other than keeping spreadsheets up to date. The big question is who then is responsible for “due diligence” in respect of the recruitment of players?
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 14:10:57 GMT
Very odd piece. It's incredible that he's dedicated an entire page to Cartwright's role without actually nailing down what he does. That's tremendous spin. I stated earlier it was gutter journalism but in fact it’s quite a fantastic piece. The piece is like the man himself full of fuck all worthy of note. Problem is we have to many suit's full of fuck all on massive salaries, the club is full of fraudsters and spin merchants who bring very little and take as much as possible.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 14:12:47 GMT
Pathetic excuse for a piece of journalism and if he has only been responsible for 5 signings in his five and a half years at the club then what the fuck has he been doing the rest of the time. ...apart from eating? Seems like his role is to be a bit of a chancer and go between but I'm not sure some fat nobody with his cv is going to open many doors! Another piece of lame PR that fails badly in it's transparent attempt to justify and sustain the failed status quo. We made 35 signings under the Hughes tenure of 4.5 years so based upon being “responsible for 5 signings” he’s be paid a bloody good wage for very little other than keeping spreadsheets up to date. The big question is who then is responsible for “due diligence” in respect of the recruitment of players? Worryingly it would seem none of these experts take any responsibility for such a core and basic buisness requirement.
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Post by butlerstbob on May 17, 2018 14:25:18 GMT
Don't know why folk are getting their knickers in a twist! Coates reassured us all that "lessons have been learned" Cartwright & Lambert for next season it is then!!
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Post by thehoof on May 17, 2018 14:26:20 GMT
Good god, he can’t win on this sort of criticism can he? A player can be prepared to join and then opt for somewhere else if a better offer or alternative comes along. Get realistic. I would suggest that it is you who needs to get realistic. The same article also states that Mr. Cartwright negotiates contracts- so where did he go wrong? You seem to hold a “Technical Director” as being totally blameless for the shambles that has developed. Was he also totally uninvolved in the setting of wages and length of contracts proposed - it certainly seems to fall into his remit looking at the article. If he actually has little influence on these matters other than opening the door to a few agents, what is the purpose of his position? Actually please provide some positive evidence of where he has influenced a favourable outcome for Stoke City, as you are able to defend his “perceived “ non performance quite well?
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Post by numpty40 on May 17, 2018 14:30:12 GMT
The club really are feeding the supporters hate for Hughes aren't they. Takes the heat off the other incompetent clowns though.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 14:32:51 GMT
The club really are feeding the supporters hate for Hughes aren't they. Takes the heat off the other incompetent clowns though. Have they not twigged that we know who kept the useless twat in charge last season, yes he was/is a grade A classless arrogant c**t who has wrecked our club but they let him do it.
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Post by foster on May 17, 2018 14:36:43 GMT
To be fair, his job sounds easy. Keeping stats on players and finding out if they'd fancy joining is a piece of piss. He's not even responsible for the scouts.
Saying that, he opened the door to players like Saido, Imbula, Wimmer, Palacios and plenty more along the way. Top notch. Give the guy a raise.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 14:39:13 GMT
To be fair, his job sounds easy. Keeping stats on players and finding out if they'd fancy joining is a piece of piss. He's not even responsible for the scouts. Saying that, he opened the door to players like Saido, Imbula, Wimmer, Palacios and plenty more along the way. Top notch. Give the guy a raise. Plus a noose
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Post by alster on May 17, 2018 14:42:44 GMT
To be fair, what is the deal with ‘tapping up’ I didn’t think you could speak to players until a bid had been accepted. Is this the way around it; getting agents/technical directors to ask the players on their behalf? To be fair officially you can't but every single club does it, very little can be done to stop it. Join the real world you can stop people communicating they do it through 3rd parties and keep it as deniable as possible.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 17, 2018 14:44:25 GMT
Quite an extraordinary article. It reads quite unlike a normal Spinks piece, and reminds me of Donald Trump's medical report. There's the grammatically clumsy attack on Hughes in the middle and then, strangely, an admission of tapping up:
No club bids for a player before first discovering if he wants to come and that is the kind of groundwork laid by people in the role of recruitment director.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 14:53:25 GMT
Quite an extraordinary article. It reads quite unlike a normal Spinks piece, and reminds me of Donald Trump's medical report. There's the grammatically clumsy attack on Hughes in the middle and then, strangely, an admission of tapping up: No club bids for a player before first discovering if he wants to come and that is the kind of groundwork laid by people in the role of recruitment director.Hi (insert name) would you be interested in joining Stoke City ? No fuck off bye brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........., any fucker can do that.
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