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Post by The man from Utch on May 13, 2018 0:57:41 GMT
Not at all, he’s been shit since he left Everton. Unfortunately we are in the Champiinship now and managers that have proved themselves in the Premiership this season, there is no fucking chance of them coming to Stoke in the Championship, and neither are those we perhaps think are shit managers . Gone are the days too that you are odds on to get back into the Premiership hiring dinosaurs like Steve Bruce(As much as I like him ) . So realistically what are our options?. I would hate the likes of Potter to come to us and fail and we crucify him if he did
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 5:56:45 GMT
.a half arsed yes from me as he’s more acceptable than lambert
Although I sit and prey that the family will soon have a better plan and manager for us to all eventually unite behind
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 6:20:06 GMT
He'd be better than Lambert but I wouldn't feel inspired that he'd get us firing and be able to make a serious promotion challenge.
I'm worried that Coates will keep Lambert but I'm just hoping we'll be completely surprised with a better manager coming in.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 6:25:07 GMT
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 13, 2018 6:39:14 GMT
So Moyes scrapes safety after multiple failures and he's better than Lambert? Has he ever been promoted even? Fuck me.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 13, 2018 6:41:41 GMT
So Moyes scrapes safety after multiple failures and he's better than Lambert? Has he ever been promoted even? Fuck me. He’s had excellent spells at Preston and Everton. A poor spell at Man U. Sunderland was a basket case and done fine at West Ham.
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Post by crownmeking on May 13, 2018 6:42:02 GMT
So Moyes scrapes safety after multiple failures and he's better than Lambert? Has he ever been promoted even? Fuck me. Anyone is better than Lambert for us.
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 13, 2018 6:55:31 GMT
No no and thrice no.
If he's what we are aiming for I'd rather stick with Lambert and that's not even an option.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 6:59:02 GMT
Moyes' CV towers over Lambo's like Everest over a mole hill.
Not my first choice, but if it's a choice beteen te two, it's an absolute no-brainer IMO.
Especially as it seems Coates tried for him in October and again in January, it means he'd trust him and would hopefully back him.
If it's a choice between him and Lambert, I hope it's a runner.
But, first thing's first, Lambert must be sacked in the next 48 hours to restore a bit of faith
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Post by banksisgod on May 13, 2018 7:03:49 GMT
Like football itself, there appears to be a league table of managers also; one's that are specialists in taking you to a certain level, but not beyond. Pulis was able to take Stoke out of the Championship (no small feat in itself), and to a certain place in the Prem, but not beyond. Similarly, Hughes was able to nudge us forward a few more places in the league, playing nice football for a while, but then found himself out of his depth and lost the run of himself ("too much, too soon", in the words of the great philosopher, Fr. Dougal McGuire).
As odd as it sounds, it doesn't necessarily follow that, in our current position, a Jose or a Pep or a Mauricio, if available, would be the right choice to get us out of the championship; they'd be the guys to look for if we got to, say, sixth in the Prem, and were looking to make the next step to Champions League level. All of that, though, is a long way away at the moment.
Where we are now, we really should be looking at a "horses for courses" kind of guy; a Sam, or a Bruce, or a Colin, or a Monk, or a (buttocks clenched..) Pulis. (in fact, I'd nearly live with an arrangement where Pulis takes us to the Prem, and is automatically sacked on getting us there). In making steady, incremental improvement, over the years, for a while we really looked as if we had cracked it, and were being held up as the model for all ambitious smaller clubs to follow. We really didn't get too much wrong, other than to put too much trust in Hughes, and not acting quickly enough when the warning signs began to show. Now, in the "snakes and ladders" business that we are involved in, we must start again from a lowish base, hopefully with the right guy, possibly from the aforementioned selection, and hopefully with the lesson learned as to when to "stick or twist", manager-wise.
I do feel, though, that talk of Potter, and other un-tested types, would be a bit too much of a gamble at the moment. Our first priority is to stop the bleeding, and ensure that there is a steady, strong hand at the tiller when the new season starts.
Where Lambert fits into my theory, fucks knows but, all all evidence so far, he is not "the guy".
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 7:10:33 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on May 13, 2018 7:18:55 GMT
No No No
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Post by stokeykez on May 13, 2018 7:41:23 GMT
Would have more faith in him working with our squad than lambo. Has worked well with smaller budgets before and I think he will attract a better calibre of player.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 10:36:01 GMT
If Moyes is looking for a job and Coates offers him the job next week, what does he do?
Which one of these will be after him? Any? How many of them could sell the appointment to their fans to start with?
Man C Man U Liverpool Spurs Chelsea Arsenal
Everton West Ham Newcastle Leicester Palace
Burnley Bournemouth Watford Brighton Soton Huddersfield
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Post by stokeykez on May 13, 2018 10:38:30 GMT
If Moyes is looking for a job and Coates offers him the job next week, what does he do? Which one of these will be after him? Any? How many of them could sell the appointment to their fans to start with? Man C Man U Liverpool Spurs Chelsea Arsenal Everton West Ham Newcastle Leicester Palace Burnley Bournemouth Watford Brighton Soton Huddersfield Only Leicester imo. Their fans want a bigger name though
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 10:38:48 GMT
Hopefully we at least offer it him.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 13, 2018 10:39:21 GMT
It’d be like finally ridding yourself of sepsis and then catching malaria straight after.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 10:41:51 GMT
Hopefully we at least offer it him. If it's true that we offered him the job in October, then again in January as reported last week, you'd have to think we would? He's right up Coates' street
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 11:08:01 GMT
Also interesting to note that Scholes was Preston Chief Exec between 1998 and 2002. And Moyes was manager of Preston from 1998 to 2002. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/3020086/Preston-slap-3million-price-tag-on-Moyes.htmlPreston chief executive Tony Scholes added: "We believe that David Moyes is the best young manager in the game. "We don't want him to leave. If he does inform us, however, that he wishes to leave we will ensure that adequate compensation is paid. "We cannot let someone of the value of David leave without appropriate compensation being paid."
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2018 11:09:26 GMT
Also interesting to note that Scholes was Preston Chief Exec between 1998 and 2002. And Moyes was manager of Preston from 1998 to 2002. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/3020086/Preston-slap-3million-price-tag-on-Moyes.htmlPreston chief executive Tony Scholes added: "We believe that David Moyes is the best young manager in the game. "We don't want him to leave. If he does inform us, however, that he wishes to leave we will ensure that adequate compensation is paid. "We cannot let someone of the value of David leave without appropriate compensation being paid." If appointing Moyes means Scholes gets to conduct more transfer negotiations is that a good thing?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 11:09:50 GMT
Article also features pic of Moyes looking like Kevin The Teenager
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2018 11:13:46 GMT
Hopefully we at least offer it him. If it's true that we offered him the job in October, then again in January as reported last week, you'd have to think we would? He's right up Coates' street I missed this ... we offered him the job in January? Where's this come from, in what context would we have been able to poach him from West Ham?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2018 11:16:13 GMT
If Moyes is looking for a job and Coates offers him the job next week, what does he do? Which one of these will be after him? Any? How many of them could sell the appointment to their fans to start with? Man C Man U Liverpool Spurs Chelsea Arsenal Everton West Ham Newcastle Leicester Palace Burnley Bournemouth Watford Brighton Soton Huddersfield I don't really think any of them would be interested in all honesty. At an absolute push, the only three that might be interested, would be Everton, Leicester and Watford but I'd be surprised if any of those happened.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 11:17:37 GMT
If it's true that we offered him the job in October, then again in January as reported last week, you'd have to think we would? He's right up Coates' street I missed this ... we offered him the job in January? Where's this come from, in what context would we have been able to poach him from West Ham? Presumably because we may have been offering him a 4/5-yr deal and he was only contracted there til June? www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/david-moyes-west-ham-ambition-contractMoyes said he remained loyal when one of West Ham’s relegation rivals, believed to be Stoke City, approached him and he does not expect to be short of offers if he leaves. “I could have joined a Premier League club during the season here when I was West Ham manager,” he said. “I chose not to. But I’ve got other things if it’s not renewed. It’s not a problem.” www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6251148/david-moyes-west-ham-exit-top-six-premier-league-club-manchester-united/And despite keeping West Ham in the top flight, Moyes revealed he turned down the chance to manage another Prem club — believed to be Stoke — during his six-month reign at the London Stadium.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2018 11:21:13 GMT
I missed this ... we offered him the job in January? Where's this come from, in what context would we have been able to poach him from West Ham? Presumably because we may have been offering him a 4/5-yr deal and he was only contracted there til June? www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/david-moyes-west-ham-ambition-contractMoyes said he remained loyal when one of West Ham’s relegation rivals, believed to be Stoke City, approached him and he does not expect to be short of offers if he leaves. “I could have joined a Premier League club during the season here when I was West Ham manager,” he said. “I chose not to. But I’ve got other things if it’s not renewed. It’s not a problem.” That's massively interesting. I would find it very hard not to believe that they haven't been on the phone to him this week, if that's the case then. I guess it will depend on how honest Moyes can be with himself about his chances of landing another Prem job.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 11:25:07 GMT
Presumably because we may have been offering him a 4/5-yr deal and he was only contracted there til June? www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/david-moyes-west-ham-ambition-contractMoyes said he remained loyal when one of West Ham’s relegation rivals, believed to be Stoke City, approached him and he does not expect to be short of offers if he leaves. “I could have joined a Premier League club during the season here when I was West Ham manager,” he said. “I chose not to. But I’ve got other things if it’s not renewed. It’s not a problem.” That's massively interesting. I would find it very hard not to believe that they haven't been on the phone to him this week, if that's the case then. I guess it will depend on how honest Moyes can be with himself about his chances of landing another Prem job. Yeah, it does seem inconceivable he hasn't been offered the job this week. But just depends if he really believes he's got the chance of getting any better? (I don't think he has, but what he believes is the only thing that matters!)
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Post by ashleyscfc on May 13, 2018 11:46:04 GMT
Yes, proven record at this level with non basket case clubs like Sunderland and West Ham.
Did a great job at Everton, ran the transfer side of things and player recruitment so can take some power away from the pizza boys if they're staying.
Has a proven record of producing and using young players.
Absolutely what we need, I would of taken him over Hughes to be honest
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 13, 2018 11:49:29 GMT
I can't see the pizza boys having more or less power than they currently have whoever comes in.
They don't decide who we're signing.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2018 11:52:54 GMT
If Moyes is looking for a job and Coates offers him the job next week, what does he do? Which one of these will be after him? Any? How many of them could sell the appointment to their fans to start with? Man C Man U Liverpool Spurs Chelsea Arsenal Everton West Ham Newcastle Leicester Palace Burnley Bournemouth Watford Brighton Soton Huddersfield I don't really think any of them would be interested in all honesty. At an absolute push, the only three that might be interested, would be Everton, Leicester and Watford but I'd be surprised if any of those happened. In light of that, might a long-term deal, money to spend, his relationship with Scholes, his respect for old school, non trigger-happy Coates and the chance to move back to where he lived while at Preston/Everton/Man Utd do the trick?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 11:53:39 GMT
If Moyes is looking for a job and Coates offers him the job next week, what does he do? Which one of these will be after him? Any? How many of them could sell the appointment to their fans to start with? Man C Man U Liverpool Spurs Chelsea Arsenal Everton West Ham Newcastle Leicester Palace Burnley Bournemouth Watford Brighton Soton Huddersfield What about Southampton, or have they been conned by the tafia ? Hopefully Hughes will stay and get chance to destroy them as badly as he did here.
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