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Post by duckling on May 6, 2018 0:52:02 GMT
A few decades from now, will Hughes be remembered as the man who took the team to 3 top half finishes while playing a refreshing style of football after the Pulis years; or the man who bought expensive shit players and totally ignored the defensive side of the game leading to many 0-4 losses and ultimately relegation?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2018 0:54:19 GMT
It should be both tbh.
His team produced the best football I've ever watched a Stoke side play.
But he also lost the plot.
I think ultimately it will shine him in a bad light though.
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Post by Gifton on May 6, 2018 0:54:53 GMT
I just hope and pray he'll be remembered as the cunt who took two Premier League clubs down in one year. He doesn't deserve the happy ending of keeping Southampton up.
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Post by stokerstayinup on May 6, 2018 1:13:35 GMT
It should be both tbh. His team produced the best football I've ever watched a Stoke side play. But he also lost the plot. I think ultimately it will shine him in a bad light though. Not often I agree with you(no offence) but I think you're right. My lad is 7 in a couple of weeks and he's had a season ticket for a couple of years now and every time he sees Hughes on the tv he starts booing.I try and explain how well Hughes did for us but in his mind I can tell he just thinks he was the man in charge when we got relegated. I recorded the 6-1 highlights v Liverpool that was on Sky the other day and he was shocked that Hughes was the manager. |
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Post by generationex on May 6, 2018 1:20:18 GMT
‘His Team’ was this year only and Christ.
He tinkered with a good team and added some needed gloss.
Only three signings were (largely) successful - Arnie, Shaq and Allen.
The full consequence of Hughes is yet to be felt.
It would be astonishing if it were anything other than catastrophic overall.
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Post by starkiller on May 6, 2018 1:51:52 GMT
He would have got the few points extra needed for survival.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 6, 2018 2:03:35 GMT
It should be both tbh. His team produced the best football I've ever watched a Stoke side play. But he also lost the plot. I think ultimately it will shine him in a bad light though. Not often I agree with you(no offence) but I think you're right. My lad is 7 in a couple of weeks and he's had a season ticket for a couple of years now and every time he sees Hughes on the tv he starts booing.I try and explain how well Hughes did for us but in his mind I can tell he just thinks he was the man in charge when we got relegated. I recorded the 6-1 highlights v Liverpool that was on Sky the other day and he was shocked that Hughes was the manager. I wonder if Stoke had gone for it more in the transfer market after that victory, would we be fine now? The very next transfer window was Poundland stuff when we should have filled our squad with players who would take us forward for the next five years. I said at the time that we were blowing a golden opportunity, and I think that was the start of the rot. |
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Post by duckling on May 6, 2018 2:05:26 GMT
I wonder if Stoke had gone for it more in the transfer market after that victory, would we be fine now? The very next transfer window was Poundland stuff when we should have filled our squad with players who would take us forward for the next five years. I said at the time that we were blowing a golden opportunity, and I think that was the start of the rot. I think it would have been more Berahinos, Wimmers, and Imbulas. The problem wasn't lack of spending. It was the inability to spend it wisely. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 6, 2018 2:12:39 GMT
I wonder if Stoke had gone for it more in the transfer market after that victory, would we be fine now? The very next transfer window was Poundland stuff when we should have filled our squad with players who would take us forward for the next five years. I said at the time that we were blowing a golden opportunity, and I think that was the start of the rot. I think it would have been more Berahinos, Wimmers, and Imbulas. The problem wasn't lack of spending. It was the inability to spend it wisely. Oh, that's true too. Just think Hughes had earned the right to spend some decent wonga,and we got Van Ginkel! Apologies if I have got the wrong transfer window, but that's how I remember it! 😁 |
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Post by thegift on May 6, 2018 4:11:58 GMT
Seriously these 3 ninth place finishes... they mean absolutely fuck all. Trophies count, and sir tony has come the closest. Hughes has done nothing to improve the club. Not a single thing
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Post by onionman on May 6, 2018 6:11:37 GMT
Imagine a man bringing a very nice cake to your house, then when you're halfway through eating it he surprisingly climbs on to the table and does a massive poo on your plate, right on top of the cake, before taking a brick out of his bag and smashing all your best china. Then while you're cleaning up he sneaks into the living room and hides several kippers behind the radiator and under the floorboards, which you don't find out about for weeks.
On the whole, would you say that guest left a positive or negative legacy?
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Post by mattythestokie on May 6, 2018 6:37:02 GMT
It should be both tbh. His team produced the best football I've ever watched a Stoke side play. But he also lost the plot. I think ultimately it will shine him in a bad light though. That period of the Man City, Man United and Everton wins were liquid football and the best football we’ve seen in the prem. It all clicked. But as you say, he lost the plot. Looking to make subs in the 80+ minute mark to make a difference was what frustrated people at first. Then his inability to change the team around the Christmas period when things needed to be fresh. And then this season tops the lot with his eagerness to play a formation that we didn’t suit at all. It’s a shame really. For a period, we really had things going. |
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on May 6, 2018 10:27:44 GMT
He will go down in history as one of our most hated managers
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Post by stokeson on May 6, 2018 10:29:17 GMT
Same as Pulis .Gave us Gold then gave us Shit.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 6, 2018 10:32:25 GMT
A bloke who didn't know what to do once the foundations that Pulis left him finally diminished. Just look at the sodding midfield we started the season with, utterly horrific.
In a nutshell, he added the magic that Pulis couldn't but had no idea how to organise a side like Pulis could once the going got tough.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2018 10:38:02 GMT
‘His Team’ was this year only and Christ. He tinkered with a good team and added some needed gloss. Only three signings were (largely) successful - Arnie, Shaq and Allen. The full consequence of Hughes is yet to be felt. It would be astonishing if it were anything other than catastrophic overall. He did far more than 'tinker' with a team that had long ceased to be 'good'. That's what the facts will tell you. Good teams don't win once in four months or chuck bricks through each other's car windows or finish 92nd then 91st for goals scored. He also was spectacularly the author of his own downfall and is the leading architect of the club's relegation. That will rightly be how he is remembered, but the good stuff shouldn't be forgotten either. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2018 10:39:27 GMT
The idea that an era is meaningless without a trophy is utter bollocks.
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Post by neilb987 on May 6, 2018 10:43:26 GMT
Sadly a tale of missed opportunities, poor decisions and the failure of expensive signings to deliver the goods.
1. Failure to replace N'Zonzi with anything like an equivalent player. Same with Arnautovic.
2. Persevering with fading 'stars' in an aging squad.
3. Failure to bring in a good right-back until it was too late
4. Failing to deal with the lack of goals throughout the team, not just the strikers.
But I will retain very fond memories of the 'Stokelona' team at its best against Man City and others.
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Post by potterblade on May 6, 2018 10:44:15 GMT
The idea that an era is meaningless without a trophy is utter bollocks. Yes there is more to it than that. But the only thing that will be remembered now is that for all the improvement we saw under Hughes he inevitably lead us to relegation. A trophy might have made up for this fact. Would have done for me actually. But as it is I think the Hughes era can only be looked back on with an overall sense of regret. If it had ended just 6 months sooner it could have all been so so different... |
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Post by Absolution on May 6, 2018 10:45:24 GMT
The three 9th place finishes were something the supporters were pleased with and proud of at the time. Why it's suddenly been painted as something of no consequence I'm not sure. It was our bread and butter, and for the most part, it was highly enjoyable.
It seems fairly obvious that he's now reviled for what came later. For me, there's got to be a story behind how we turned to shit so quickly and so totally after those Liverpool semi-final clashes. It just wasn't normal.
On a pragmatic level though, Bayern's got it right. He should be remembered for the good and the bad. But the good is being air-brushed out or trashed. That's the way the cookie crumbles I suppose.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on May 6, 2018 10:45:46 GMT
Seriously these 3 ninth place finishes... they mean absolutely fuck all. Trophies count, and sir tony has come the closest. Hughes has done nothing to improve the club. Not a single thing If trophies count,a lost cup final also means fuck all. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2018 10:49:05 GMT
He would have got the few points extra needed for survival. All the evidence points to the complete opposite of that, and we'd have a goal difference of about -50 by now. |
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Post by mermaidsal on May 6, 2018 10:51:37 GMT
Southampton in the Prem, Stoke ****ed for half a generation, enhanced CV for LMH, I think we can see who won this game  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 10:51:40 GMT
His will be the same as most managers had some success then failed and was sacked. Gets new job has some success fails again gets sacked again and repeat.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on May 6, 2018 11:43:19 GMT
I realize I didn't grow up with this sport and its related culture, but now that I'm following it and Stoke, I don't think I'll ever grasp the notion that a ninth place finish is considered successful. Anyway to answer the question, I'll remember Hughes as the guy who capitulated to Chelsea thinking he should concentrate on the game after. Christ, every cliche in any sport is based "one game at a time" and the "we need to concentrate on the upcomming game" -- those phrases didn't just get pulled out of the blue without reason. But on a good note, I'll also remember him as the guy who gave us a few amazing weeks of Stokelona, which now seems like a billion years ago...
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Post by andystokey on May 6, 2018 11:50:32 GMT
Legacy Definition
1. an amount of money or property left to someone in a will.
2. something left or handed down by a predecessor.
So what has he left?
An unbalanced squad, massive Championship wage bill and some immovable players.
Nothing of value at all.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 6, 2018 11:58:44 GMT
His will be the same as most managers had some success then failed and was sacked. Gets new job has some success fails again gets sacked again and repeat. This. |
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Post by salopstick on May 6, 2018 12:09:04 GMT
He would have got the few points extra needed for survival. his sacking was justified. He’d lost the fans. Every game we lost would have heaped more pressure on him and the team. The atmosphere would have been has toxic as you can remember. I do believe he would have scraped the points but you still couldn’t see him doing it. He had to go. Just a shame it wasn’t 6 weeks earlier. I also maintain that two very good 9 place finishes, a third with a semi final hang over followed by his stoke standards a mediocre 13th was no grounds to make a change last summer regardless of what happened this season. All so fucking avoidable. As for legacy people remember failures before success. He fucked up this team by not having the players to play the formation he changed to. Lunacy |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 12:11:59 GMT
His legacy will be a hat trick of teams wallowing around in the Championship.
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Post by starkiller on May 6, 2018 12:15:28 GMT
He would have got the few points extra needed for survival. his sacking was justified. He’d lost the fans. Every game we lost would have heaped more pressure on him and the team. The atmosphere would have been has toxic as you can remember. I do believe he would have scraped the points but you still couldn’t see him doing it. He had to go. Just a shame it wasn’t 6 weeks earlier. I also maintain that two very good 9 place finishes, a third with a semi final hang over followed by his stoke standards a mediocre 13th was no grounds to make a change last summer regardless of what happened this season. All so fucking avoidable. As for legacy people remember failures before success. He fucked up this team by not having the players to play the formation he changed to. Lunacy It was right he went but replacing him with someone even worse was not the answe. And not even attempting to resolve the obvious in the last transfer window sums up the stink in the club. Other heads should now roll. |
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