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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 6:43:54 GMT
Rightly or wrongly I think he will be kept and given a chance, he inherited QPR 2 and an utterly rancid club from top to bottom. We need a character who will work his nads off in the pre-season and install a framework to build on and at least get 11 players out at the start of next season who are fit and ready and actually interested in playing for the club. For that I cant think of a British manager better placed than the 1 we currently have, he knows the squad better than anybody and knows exactly(hopefully) what we need in the pre-season. The alternative is another road traffic accident of a British manager chosen by the Coates family who comes in and needs to take time before he changes things around, which will more than likely mean another battle against the drop.
Horses for causes maybe. Personally I would not be sad to see him go, but I know the next manager chosen by the Coates family will be an even bigger disaster than the current one and I think Lambert is at least capable of keeping us up next year and building some good foundations You would hope that the debacle of the last two seasons would sway Coates away from this absurd British manager obsession, paticularly when you also consider that WBA have been relegated with 3 different British managers. So 2 out of the 3 bottom places have been filled with Jurassic British managers. The top 6 are all managed by those strange foreign folk. Big Sam it is then 😬😁
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 6, 2018 6:49:12 GMT
No, I don't think they could. TP would have kept us up with his eyes closed. Joined by the near 30,000 in attendance.
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Post by maliciousdamage on May 6, 2018 6:49:35 GMT
Coates needs to eat humble pie in a big portion remove Scholes and Cartwright and replace them with a proper football CEC and a director of football. Remove Lambert and advertise and also use the new CEOs and DOFs contacts to sound out possible candidate home and abroad. There's a World Cup so there will be a bit of wriggle room before that ends to recruit new senior execs and a manger. but the Coates family need to step up NOW
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 6, 2018 6:52:19 GMT
Coates needs to eat humble pie in a big portion remove Scholes and Cartwright and replace them with a proper football CEC and a director of football. Remove Lambert and advertise and also use the new CEOs and DOFs contacts to sound out possible candidate home and abroad. There's a World Cup so there will be a bit of wriggle room before that ends to recruit new senior execs and a manger. but the Coates family need to step up NOW All sounds good, but hardly any of it will happen. It should, but it won't.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 6, 2018 6:54:59 GMT
You can't see Lambert walking,he knows there isn't a club in the whole league would touch him,unless there is a club owner out there who is more clueless than Coates.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 6:55:23 GMT
Is Lambert still here? Woke up this morning hoping to see him gone!
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Post by Fred Ferret on May 6, 2018 7:07:36 GMT
Is Lambert still here? Woke up this morning hoping to see him gone! Woke up thinking it was a bad dream. Cannot believe we have thrown away 10 years in the PL, after being described as the ideal role model club to survive. Then the last 2 abject disaster years kicked in. Surgical removal of parasites, incompetents, and want aways must begin immeadiately.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 7:08:03 GMT
Final home game, a must win and 40% possession!
Match stats Possession 6040 CRY60 STK40
Goal attempts 5Stoke Off target11C Palace 2 Stoke On target 2 C Palace
Fouls18 10
Utter wank
Has to go! I see 1 in 15 looming!
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Post by bhp on May 6, 2018 7:14:08 GMT
If things are not working you change. The fact that he only used two subs means he did not try hard enough today. That’s disgraceful I'm all seriousness who else could have came on and have changed the game?
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Post by Fred Ferret on May 6, 2018 7:14:25 GMT
Final home game, a must win and 40% possession! Match stats Possession 6040 CRY60 STK40 Goal attempts 5Stoke Off target11C Palace 2 Stoke On target 2 C Palace Fouls18 10 Utter wank Has to go! I see 1 in 15 looming! Simply the next to last example of the dismal application put in by a terrible squad of players and a manager so out of his depth. Roll on the sickening debacle that will be dished up in Wales.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 7:18:21 GMT
If things are not working you change. The fact that he only used two subs means he did not try hard enough today. That’s disgraceful I'm all seriousness who else could have came on and have changed the game? Ireland is a game changer when played in the right position.
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Post by magwitch on May 6, 2018 7:19:09 GMT
The devastated Lambert said after relegation was confirmed: "It has got to be rebuilt and it will come back strong because of the support it has got behind it.
"The football club should mirror the supporters because it has got incredible support." This is a quote from the BBC website and should be true, but it clearly isn't, and Lambert seems oblivious to the reasons behind the decline of Stoke City. Perhaps he is unaware that the supporters have been crying out for a striker(s) literally for years and were extremely sceptical about Mark Hughes fixation on Saido Berahino. Hughes has paid the price for his mismanagement, but the real reason that the club ended up in this situation lies in the boardroom, and all of them are still there, apparently with the full backing of chairman Coates. Angela Smith seems to think that they will learn from their mistakes. I just cannot see this, especially with the noises presently coming out of the boardroom. I would be very surprised if there are many supporters encouraged by the utterances of Uncle Peter. Stoke have been relegated because the chairman and the directors ignored the supporters, who have been proved right and Peter Coates wrong. Learn from their mistakes?..I hope so but I doubt it.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 6, 2018 7:25:32 GMT
He is a train crash of a manager
He has not stopped us leaking goals, just reduced the leak slightly. And his master plan means our woeful lack of goals and attacking play has dried up
1 win in 14 and some still defend him?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 6, 2018 7:42:51 GMT
We are down. We have nothing to play for next week. Yet the useless cunt Lambert will play to avoid a defeat against Swansea. Expect more of the same next season if he is still with us.
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Post by herkbloke on May 6, 2018 7:50:45 GMT
He is a train crash of a manager He has not stopped us leaking goals, just reduced the leak slightly. And his master plan means our woeful lack of goals and attacking play has dried up 1 win in 14 and some still defend him? I actually meant to put this onto your post but it ended up on the we're hated by everyone thread! Anyway... "Yup. PL's go to plan a, seems to be run around, hoof to 2018's Caruthers, loose possession when easier to score, panic, run around some more, concede. All taking place as PL windmills like a spotty teenager at his first school fight. @suffolk- not much of a consolation prize mate but 2 quality away fixtures next season right on our doorstep!" oddly, he's still held albeit by a minority, in a grudging respect by Norwich fans. He didn't half sign some shit mind.
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Post by fca47 on May 6, 2018 7:51:59 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him, but he has a decent record of getting clubs promoted, where the board are realistic. When you look at the side against Crystal Palace, devoid of pace, imagination and skill, you have to say he was dealt a bum deal. I think we should give him a chance, and the board has to back him.
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Post by henry on May 6, 2018 7:57:21 GMT
He's well suited to our basket case of a football club. The whole place fucking stinks.
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Post by Pugsley on May 6, 2018 7:59:56 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him, but he has a decent record of getting clubs promoted, where the board are realistic. When you look at the side against Crystal Palace, devoid of pace, imagination and skill, you have to say he was dealt a bum deal. I think we should give him a chance, and the board has to back him. How can a manager who has won 1 game in 14 keep his job? It's a disastrous record. His recent history proves he is NOT capable of doing the job required.
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Post by stokecitydom on May 6, 2018 8:04:02 GMT
Not altogether convinced by him, but he has a decent record of getting clubs promoted, where the board are realistic. When you look at the side against Crystal Palace, devoid of pace, imagination and skill, you have to say he was dealt a bum deal. I think we should give him a chance, and the board has to back him. He’s just a disaster. We were a shambles & there’s just no clear plan. Tactically he got it wrong yesterday, as he’s done on numerous occasions. There’s no attempt at playing any football, it’s hoof & hope. I just don’t understand how some fans think we should give him. a chnace, when he has shown so little.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2018 8:10:20 GMT
Forget the subs, they were the usual mind boggling turds that this manager steals his living by. The absolute state of that team and the formation was a sacking offence in its own right. What would you have done differently, Pugs? I'm not defending Lambert or even attempting to but the fact that Crystal Palace brought on a striker worth 35M, whilst we brought on an 18 year old kid who isn't even League One standard surely tells the bigger story, regardless of the semantics of the benefits of Glen Johnson or not? This article by Phil McNulty is very hard hitting but it is very much the head of the hammer right on the head of the nail. We've regressed and we've regressed long before Lambert and for a very good reason. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44017358Not played 442, not played as many square pegs, tried to get another creative player in there in a game we had to win? Not set up in a must win game as if we were trying to pinch something at Old Trafford?
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Post by reddipotter on May 6, 2018 8:11:50 GMT
I was willing to give him a chance and there were encouraging signs: a better defence, better work-rate, and discipline on and off the field. And he inherited a squad from which it is impossible to put together an effective forward line. (In fairness, he has tried just about every combination.) However, our inability to hold a lead and the disastrous removal of Crouch yesterday suggest a man who does not have enough tactical sharpness for the modern game. I agree with Smudge on Radio Stoke last night- you can't continue to employ a man with Lambert's record over 14 games.
A (sort of) advantage of being in the Championship is that it is easier to bring in a young manager with up to date ideas. If not Graham Potter, then someone of that type.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:12:52 GMT
What would you have done differently, Pugs? I'm not defending Lambert or even attempting to but the fact that Crystal Palace brought on a striker worth 35M, whilst we brought on an 18 year old kid who isn't even League One standard surely tells the bigger story, regardless of the semantics of the benefits of Glen Johnson or not? This article by Phil McNulty is very hard hitting but it is very much the head of the hammer right on the head of the nail. We've regressed and we've regressed long before Lambert and for a very good reason. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44017358Not played 442, not played as many square pegs, tried to get another creative player in there in a game we had to win? Not set up in a must win game as if we were trying to pinch something at Old Trafford? Doesn't it pinch a bit when your opponents bring on a 35M striker, whilst us after 10 years at the top table, are hopelessly dragging on an 18 year old that is League One standard at best? Get yourself out of the long grass and look at the bigger picture. Lambert, no Lambert the problems are bigger than the dugout.
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Post by mrcoke on May 6, 2018 8:15:20 GMT
I agree Lambert has failed to show he offers anything to get the club out of the mess we are in.
But I think supporters and the club are also wrong if they think the problem starts and finishes with the manager. The whole running of the club is in a mess. Examples that come to mind are: the dreadful player signings (Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, there are more), the total failure of the academy to produce a single player who can consistently play in the first team, the IT, the tardiness in ground development (e.g. filling in the corner should have been done in the 1st year in the Prem.).
Hopefully the scales will now fall from the eyes of the owners and drastic action will start to rebuild the club. It only starts with a new manager who will inspire a new bunch of players, but somehow I doubt it. I am deeply concerned that the club will now go straight down to the 1st Division like Sunderland and others.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 6, 2018 8:22:30 GMT
He is a train crash of a manager He has not stopped us leaking goals, just reduced the leak slightly. And his master plan means our woeful lack of goals and attacking play has dried up 1 win in 14 and some still defend him? I actually meant to put this onto your post but it ended up on the we're hated by everyone thread! Anyway... "Yup. PL's go to plan a, seems to be run around, hoof to 2018's Caruthers, loose possession when easier to score, panic, run around some more, concede. All taking place as PL windmills like a spotty teenager at his first school fight. @suffolk- not much of a consolation prize mate but 2 quality away fixtures next season right on our doorstep!" oddly, he's still held albeit by a minority, in a grudging respect by Norwich fans. He didn't half sign some shit mind. Aye. It means I get the chance to dust my tractor down and take it for a spin
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2018 8:26:04 GMT
Not played 442, not played as many square pegs, tried to get another creative player in there in a game we had to win? Not set up in a must win game as if we were trying to pinch something at Old Trafford? Doesn't it pinch a bit when your opponents bring on a 35M striker, whilst us after 10 years at the top table, are hopelessly dragging on an 18 year old that is League One standard at best? Get yourself out of the long grass and look at the bigger picture. Lambert, no Lambert the problems are bigger than the dugout. You asked what could have been done differently. It’s such a straw man argument to suggest that because you think the manager’s crap then you must think it’s 100% on him or the owners and structure are blameless. It’s possible to be aware of the problems and still think the clown in the dugout could’ve done better.
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Post by elystokie on May 6, 2018 8:26:49 GMT
No, I don't think they could. TP would have kept us up with his eyes closed. If he'd squinted a bit he might not have made such a massive fuck up at West Brom.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:28:42 GMT
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Post by redstriper on May 6, 2018 8:36:05 GMT
I'm never keen to see a management merry go round and I've nothing against PL. He did have the players giving more effort and he did have us more organized. But we are clearly finishing this season without even the spark of momentum that WBA have managed. We cannot start the new season on such a downer, the transfer window in the summer would normally give the manager a chance of rectifying this but clearly we will lose what quality we have, and bring in some journeymen. That wont create any momentum at all.
The sad fact is he had 15 games to turn it around (more than enough) and instead we have sunk to the bottom of the pile. In previous years when we've had a bad run we've been hit very unluckily by bad injuries to key players. That wasn't the case this year, there's no excuses that hold water.
Looking at the teams around us I genuinely don't think we are worse than at least half a dozen of them on paper. That suggests to me that he can't get the best out of the players at his disposal.
He inherited a mess, no question, but he was given bauer and ndaiye who are both positives, and he still ended up with worse overall results.
I believe it would be better to get a new management team in immediately. Provided its someone on the up, with positive ideas and proven man management skills.
If we can't find someone who fits the bill then we need to see some very positive action by the club and manager in terms of the transfer window and board appointments, in order to go into next season with a positive vibe and any hope for a good outcome.
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Post by adri2008 on May 6, 2018 8:37:04 GMT
He's not been good but he's certainly not been helped by the diabolical squad he inherited - if we'd got a proven striker in January, we'd have probably scraped enough points.
Nightmare scenario: Lambert is sacked and the board fucks about for 3 months finding a replacement whilst a mass exodus of players occurs. Not that we'd shed too many tears if we lost half the squad of course - there's about 6 players you'd definitely want to keep, a few maybes and the rest are dead wood.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:37:41 GMT
Doesn't it pinch a bit when your opponents bring on a 35M striker, whilst us after 10 years at the top table, are hopelessly dragging on an 18 year old that is League One standard at best? Get yourself out of the long grass and look at the bigger picture. Lambert, no Lambert the problems are bigger than the dugout. You asked what could have been done differently. It’s such a straw man argument to suggest that because you think the manager’s crap then you must think it’s 100% on him or the owners and structure are blameless. It’s possible to be aware of the problems and still think the clown in the dugout could’ve done better. Oh absolutely, but the root of the issues need sorting and they will take longer, a lot longer to sort when fans are taking the easy option and slating the manager they appointed and didn't back properly, with the real culprits comparatively getting away with murder. They could sack Lambert tomorrow but all the evidence points to: 1. Another chip off the block replacing him. 2. Self sufficiency drive to continue. Rinse repeat.
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