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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 20:20:30 GMT
All you’ve said in your tedious posts so far, is that Stoke haven’t been relegated yet, with that point today......Well done Einstein! 😉 So why were you arguing against it then? Typical, realise you have no argument, create strawman argument, change the discussion to something else entirely then pretend you weren't arguing against it in the first place and insult their posts how embarrassing Have a look at your own posts, you just keep repeating yourself, “strawman argument” being a perfect example 😀 One-trick pony methinks...
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 20:30:36 GMT
When i say we didn't need to win it's pretty simple really mate...... If we'd won today we would STILL have to beat Palace and hope Swansea get no more points and then it would go down to the last day of the season. If we drew today then we have to beat Palace and hope Swansea get no nore points and then it goes down to the last day of the season. Winning today would NOT have changed what we need to do in the coming games and what we need to pray for from the teams above us. Winning today would have put us on for a potential finish of 38 points - if you don't think that's guaranteed safety then I don't know what else to say. You are doing your own head in trying to explain all the different outcomes, it's pointless because it changes too frequently on any given match day. There is still a very small chance that West Brom could escape relegation for example. Your name's not Clifford DeVoe is it? 38 points is ONLY guaranteed safety if the teams above us don't get more. What part of that is so hard to understand? Us staying up is NOT in our hands, it is also massively reliant upon other teams and what they do! You can't say that other permutations/other clubs aren't relevant one minute then the next say getting to 38 is enough, because 38 is only enough most seasons BECAUSE of how other teams perform and them not reaching that point. You're basically saying "as long as we get to 38 we're safe and it doesn't matter what other teams do". If 38 is enough it's completely and specifically BECAUSE of what the other teams have done (i.e. dropping points) to make it enough. If we'd won today 50-0 and beat palace it still goes to the last game PROVIDING Swansea pick up no points before then If we drew today and beat palace it still goes to the last game PROVIDING Swansea pick up no more points before then. Therefore we did not HAVE to win today as we'd still have had to do the same (and hope for the same from Swansea) that we do now after a draw To try to ignore other teams who are above us is ridiculous, as we are completely dependent upon THEM dropping points whether we like it or not! We could have won today and our next 2 games 300 nil, and it wouldn't mean shit if Swansea win their next 2 because they'd be on 39 and we'd be on 38. We HAVE to hope they drop points no matter whether we won or drew today because that's how the league works.Us gaining points doesn't mean they have points deleted magically...we have to overtake them to stay up and that can ONLY be done if they drop points. If you now turn around and say "they're not realistically going to do that" then you're doing exactly what you're having a go at me for i.e. you're taking into account what the teams will or won't do and that's exactly the bloody point i'm making!!!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 20:32:26 GMT
So why were you arguing against it then? Typical, realise you have no argument, create strawman argument, change the discussion to something else entirely then pretend you weren't arguing against it in the first place and insult their posts how embarrassing [b [brHave a look at your own posts, you just keep repeating yourself, “strawman argument” being a perfect example 😀 One-trick pony methinks... Do you actually know what a strawman argument even is? I keep repeating myself (as i said earlier) because you still can't be bothered to actually try to counter anything i've said, you simply make shit up that no one has said and argue against that instead. Poor, really poor
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 20:39:03 GMT
[b [brHave a look at your own posts, you just keep repeating yourself, “strawman argument” being a perfect example 😀 One-trick pony methinks... Do you actually know what a strawman argument even is? I keep repeating myself (as i said earlier) because you still can't be bothered to actually try to counter anything i've said, you simply make shit up that no one has said and argue against that instead. Poor, really poor Counter what? All you’ve said is Stoke haven’t been relegated yet and we could still survive with 36 points... What a stupid thing to say, that’s bloody obvious!........Do yourself a favour, have a few beers and chill out.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 20:40:51 GMT
Do you actually know what a strawman argument even is? I keep repeating myself (as i said earlier) because you still can't be bothered to actually try to counter anything i've said, you simply make shit up that no one has said and argue against that instead. Poor, really poor Counter what? All you’ve said is Stoke haven’t been relegated yet and we could still survive with 36 points... What a stupid thing to say, that’s bloody obvious!........Do yourself a favour, have a few beers and chill out.. 1) that isn't what i said at all 2) if it was and it's so obvious, why did you argue against it so much for 2 hours? Clueless and desperately struggling now mate aren't you
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 20:43:54 GMT
Counter what? All you’ve said is Stoke haven’t been relegated yet and we could still survive with 36 points... What a stupid thing to say, that’s bloody obvious!........Do yourself a favour, have a few beers and chill out.. 1) that isn't what i said at all 2) if it was and it's so obvious, why did you argue against it so much for 2 hours? Clueless and desperately struggling now mate aren't you What did you say then?...I’m all ears 🙂
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 20:45:21 GMT
1) that isn't what i said at all 2) if it was and it's so obvious, why did you argue against it so much for 2 hours? Clueless and desperately struggling now mate aren't you What did you say then?...I’m all ears 🙂 Try fucking reading as apparently i've repeated it over and over again so it shouldn't be too hard, even for a dullard like you Not bothering to answer question 2 then? Oh no, course not. Ignore questions you can't answer then change it to another discussion instead. That's your M.O.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 20:49:39 GMT
What did you say then?...I’m all ears 🙂 Try fucking reading as apparently i've repeated it over and over again so it shouldb't be too hard even for a dullard like you Not bothering to answer question 2 then? Oh no, course not. Ignore questions you can't answer then change it to another discussion instead. That's your M.O. Reading what? Your tedious drivel... Like i’ve said, have a beer and chill out.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 20:54:47 GMT
Try fucking reading as apparently i've repeated it over and over again so it shouldb't be too hard even for a dullard like you Not bothering to answer question 2 then? Oh no, course not. Ignore questions you can't answer then change it to another discussion instead. That's your M.O. Reading what? Your tedious drivel... Like i’ve said, have a beer and chill out. So you spent 2 hours arguing against someone's posts that you never even read because they're "tedious drivel"? That Sir makes you a fucking idiot
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Apr 28, 2018 20:55:44 GMT
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 21:03:25 GMT
Reading what? Your tedious drivel... Like i’ve said, have a beer and chill out. So you spent 2 hours arguing against someone's posts that you never even read because they're "tedious drivel"? That Sir makes you a fucking idiot I was bored, and I thought you were entertaining.....I was wrong about that, sorry 😉
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 21:05:03 GMT
So you spent 2 hours arguing against someone's posts that you never even read because they're "tedious drivel"? That Sir makes you a fucking idiot I was bored, and I thought you were entertaining.....I was wrong about that, sorry 😉 Fair enough, in that case let's just go about our business and leave the thread to what it was intended for then? Have a nice evening mate
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 21:08:45 GMT
I was bored, and I thought you were entertaining.....I was wrong about that, sorry 😉 Fair enough, in that case let's just go about our business and leave the thread to what it was intended for then? Have a nice evening mate You’ve just wasted 2 hours of your life. Next time think of something better to say. 🙂.....Thx for the chat.... 👍
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2018 21:14:23 GMT
Fair enough, in that case let's just go about our business and leave the thread to what it was intended for then? Have a nice evening mate You’ve just wasted 2 hours of your life. Next time think of something better to say. 🙂.....Thx for the chat.... 👍 Think of something better to say? You don't even know what i did say, you just argued against your own multiple personality that was saying things in your own head that no one actually had done on here
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Apr 28, 2018 21:15:09 GMT
I go through this post and think it's about how the manager did, and the 3rd page is 2 or 3 people arguing.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 28, 2018 21:18:07 GMT
I go through this post and think it's about how the manager did, and the 3rd page is 2 or 3 people arguing. No it isn't.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 28, 2018 21:20:23 GMT
You’ve just wasted 2 hours of your life. Next time think of something better to say. 🙂.....Thx for the chat.... 👍 Think of something better to say? You don't even know what i did say, you just argued against your own multiple personality that was saying things in your own head that no one actually had done on here You’re right, I havin’t got a clue what you said... I was fast asleep! 😴 Was it about rating Lambert or were you talking utter bollox?
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Post by scfc1863 on Apr 28, 2018 21:45:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 4:03:40 GMT
6 -2 for Fletcher, It needed a striker on for Crouch. Otherwise it would've been an 8. Don’t completely agree, even Ireland would have been ok-ish I did think at the time 'If its a like for like, why not go with Ireland' but my second thought was: Who would be running on beyond him to pass to? Still would've been a better option*
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Post by hanibal7 on Apr 29, 2018 13:17:16 GMT
Last time we won at Anfield in a league game was 1959.well done all the lads for a great point.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 29, 2018 13:25:10 GMT
8.5
With the hand he's been left to play he did very well.
The pre-Lambert Stoke probably would've conceded 4 or 5 to nobody's surprise.
People who say "yes, but we needed to win" need to bear in mind he's got next to nothing to win with.
There were plenty of other games this season before Lambert came where we needed to win, but didn't.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 29, 2018 14:29:43 GMT
The amount of slack this manager is getting is breathtaking.
It's OK for him to go a third of a season without winning. Amazing.
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2018 14:33:17 GMT
The amount of slack this manager is getting is breathtaking. It's OK for him to go a third of a season without winning. Amazing. This thread is just about the one game though.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 29, 2018 14:37:52 GMT
The amount of slack this manager is getting is breathtaking. It's OK for him to go a third of a season without winning. Amazing. This thread is just about the one game though. True, but in general I'm right. Taking this particular game, we had to win it and we did not, AGAIN. People are getting hard ons again because we are drawing games 0-0. It's deja bastard vu.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 29, 2018 15:02:36 GMT
This thread is just about the one game though. True, but in general I'm right. Taking this particular game, we had to win it and we did not, AGAIN. People are getting hard ons again because we are drawing games 0-0. It's deja bastard vu. Millsy has already explained (at some length) why this wasn't a must win game but a must not LOSE one.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 29, 2018 15:10:06 GMT
True, but in general I'm right. Taking this particular game, we had to win it and we did not, AGAIN. People are getting hard ons again because we are drawing games 0-0. It's deja bastard vu. Millsy has already explained (at some length) why this wasn't a must win game but a must not LOSE one. Man alive.
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