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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2018 22:09:55 GMT
Here is the BBC article referred to above by Essex Stokie linkthanks don't know why link didn't work on mine now put it right thanks again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 22:24:11 GMT
It seems Wolves, Villa, Derby, Peterborough, QPR, Brentford, Palace, Lincoln, Bristol, Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Northampton have all publicly promoted the petition now. And obviously WBA.
Should one of the big 6 decide in the next few days to tweet there support for this to be debated, I could see it flying over 250k!
Cracking work.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 26, 2018 4:58:08 GMT
As they told us when we visited John, it is indeed a right pain - very labour intensive and therefore expensive. They have to slot the seats into holes in the terrace. It would be easier to convert the traditional terraces to rail seating. I'm surpised they haven't done so - they can surely afford to. They could leave the seats where they are, at no cost whatsoever!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 5:00:34 GMT
Did you not sign because you dont think it will happen or you dont want it to happen? This quote reminds me of the people who say at elections that "I am not going to vote today - because 'x party' who I support won't win." A bizarre approach to democracy! Spoken like a true Liberal Democrat.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2018 6:51:52 GMT
This quote reminds me of the people who say at elections that "I am not going to vote today - because 'x party' who I support won't win." A bizarre approach to democracy! Spoken like a true Liberal Democrat. Maybe, but in my time on the doorsteps I have heard the same words from Labour, Conservative and (more recently) UKIP supporters. I can understand tactical voting for another party - but I don't understand the numbers of people who don't vote at all because they believe the candidate they sympathise with won't win. Especially in local elections, where turnouts are usually so low that non voters often far outnumber the votes of all the candidates combined. When I got elected as a County Councillor (many years ago) I did it by encouraging a huge turnout. The ward I was in traditionally had about a 45% turnout in County Council elections. The turnout the day I was elected was 75% and I won in a seat where my party had been a poor third in the previous election. I wasn't alone - we returned 9 councillors out of 20 wards in Plymouth that day and took control of Devon County Council - where we had also been in 3rd place at the previous election. Obviously, this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough to explode the myth that not turning out and voting for what you want is always a good idea. Back to the original subject. Because the successive governments have been against safe standing since the Taylor report, is not a reason to shrug your shoulders and assume it will always be this way. Huge numbers of government policies have been overturned during my lifetime - mainly because people have got out and worked to bring about what they believed in. Sermon over!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 7:59:48 GMT
The top-rated comment on that BBC article, which is a pro standing comment of course, finishes by stating that all ticketing would prevent the overcrowding that caused Hillsborough.
To me this is a misunderstanding, or poorly worded at best. The overcrowding at Hillsborough wouldn’t have led to deaths if it wasn’t for pens. Even if there had been fences still, and all the other factors that contributed such as awful, inhumane policing, bankrupt organisation and planning, etc etc, but no pens, there surely wouldn’t have been anything but minor issues that day as the crowd would’ve fanned laterally across the terrace.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 26, 2018 11:00:00 GMT
106,379 signatures
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Post by stick7 on Apr 26, 2018 11:57:31 GMT
Great news that we've got well over 100,000 signatures and safe standing will be debated in Parliament.It would be good if Stoke would actually come out a publically back Safe standing at least in principle instead of sitting on the fence.Many of the big boy's have come out in support so come on Stoke.It would only help the campaign.As I've always said safe standing wouldn't just benefit those who prefer to stand but also the fans who want to sit but are often forced to stand up.Oh, and of course the main thing ,it's safer than standing up in seated areas which happens at all away games.Bring it on a say.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 26, 2018 12:15:39 GMT
Out of interest, what is stopping a club installing the system now and just leaving the seats unlocked to be used? It's just a different form of seating with extra safety rails after all. For example, when we replaced the seats in the Boothen end in the summer, what was to stop us installing seats with safety rails? How does it not comply with the standards?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2018 13:10:40 GMT
Out of interest, what is stopping a club installing the system now and just leaving the seats unlocked to be used? It's just a different form of seating with extra safety rails after all. For example, when we replaced the seats in the Boothen end in the summer, what was to stop us installing seats with safety rails? How does it not comply with the standards? I will be interested to read Malcolm's answer. I'm sure he will know. I wonder if the wording of the legislation specifically forbade the fitting of continuous rails for each row of seats?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 13:32:29 GMT
Spoken like a true Liberal Democrat. Maybe, but in my time on the doorsteps I have heard the same words from Labour, Conservative and (more recently) UKIP supporters. I can understand tactical voting for another party - but I don't understand the numbers of people who don't vote at all because they believe the candidate they sympathise with won't win. Especially in local elections, where turnouts are usually so low that non voters often far outnumber the votes of all the candidates combined. When I got elected as a County Councillor (many years ago) I did it by encouraging a huge turnout. The ward I was in traditionally had about a 45% turnout in County Council elections. The turnout the day I was elected was 75% and I won in a seat where my party had been a poor third in the previous election. I wasn't alone - we returned 9 councillors out of 20 wards in Plymouth that day and took control of Devon County Council - where we had also been in 3rd place at the previous election. Obviously, this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough to explode the myth that not turning out and voting for what you want is always a good idea. Back to the original subject. Because the successive governments have been against safe standing since the Taylor report, is not a reason to shrug your shoulders and assume it will always be this way. Huge numbers of government policies have been overturned during my lifetime - mainly because people have got out and worked to bring about what they believed in. Sermon over! Well done Lakeland 👍 Did you and your choice of party winning change much for the people of that area? Are they now living in utopia Or was it like everywhere else...pointless?😬 Signed
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2018 13:54:51 GMT
Maybe, but in my time on the doorsteps I have heard the same words from Labour, Conservative and (more recently) UKIP supporters. I can understand tactical voting for another party - but I don't understand the numbers of people who don't vote at all because they believe the candidate they sympathise with won't win. Especially in local elections, where turnouts are usually so low that non voters often far outnumber the votes of all the candidates combined. When I got elected as a County Councillor (many years ago) I did it by encouraging a huge turnout. The ward I was in traditionally had about a 45% turnout in County Council elections. The turnout the day I was elected was 75% and I won in a seat where my party had been a poor third in the previous election. I wasn't alone - we returned 9 councillors out of 20 wards in Plymouth that day and took control of Devon County Council - where we had also been in 3rd place at the previous election. Obviously, this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough to explode the myth that not turning out and voting for what you want is always a good idea. Back to the original subject. Because the successive governments have been against safe standing since the Taylor report, is not a reason to shrug your shoulders and assume it will always be this way. Huge numbers of government policies have been overturned during my lifetime - mainly because people have got out and worked to bring about what they believed in. Sermon over! Well done Lakeland 👍 Did you and your choice of party winning change much for the people of that area? Are they now living in utopia Or was it like everywhere else...pointless?😬 Signed I think I did more good than harm - but I suppose most councillors think that - so that proves nothing. I was sad when eventually a change of job in my regular employment left me unable to get enough time off to attend council meetings - so I had to stand down as a candidate in an election a few years later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 14:36:18 GMT
Well done Lakeland 👍 Did you and your choice of party winning change much for the people of that area? Are they now living in utopia Or was it like everywhere else...pointless?😬 Signed I think I did more good than harm - but I suppose most councillors think that - so that proves nothing. I was sad when eventually a change of job in my regular employment left me unable to get enough time off to attend council meetings - so I had to stand down as a candidate in an election a few years later. 👍walked away undefeated then 😁
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 26, 2018 15:47:31 GMT
Out of interest, what is stopping a club installing the system now and just leaving the seats unlocked to be used? It's just a different form of seating with extra safety rails after all. For example, when we replaced the seats in the Boothen end in the summer, what was to stop us installing seats with safety rails? How does it not comply with the standards? I will be interested to read Malcolm's answer. I'm sure he will know. I wonder if the wording of the legislation specifically forbade the fitting of continuous rails for each row of seats? Perhaps you’re right, although if true it’s a bit of a strange one if a possible extra safety measure is forbidden.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2018 15:53:41 GMT
I will be interested to read Malcolm's answer. I'm sure he will know. I wonder if the wording of the legislation specifically forbade the fitting of continuous rails for each row of seats? Perhaps you’re right, although if true it’s a bit of a strange one if a possible extra safety measure is forbidden. Let's be honest the whole business of going all-seater for only the top 2 divisions - and in only one sport was all a bit bizarre anyway. And not feeling the need to ensure the same (or stricter) regulations applied in Glasgow was also a bit weird.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 26, 2018 18:03:50 GMT
108,164 signatures
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 27, 2018 22:06:14 GMT
linkwell done Malcom on getting our favourite manager to back this campaign Pity no one at stoke yet come on crouch you know a tweet makes sense Yes, even Arsene can't be wrong all the time
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 28, 2018 8:00:07 GMT
109,828 signatures
come on stoke lets push this might be a good idea to mention it on the buses today those that are going get other supporters to sign it show them the link etc.
Pity Liverpool and the cop aren't on board yet!!
Come on the more that sign the more chance it will be taken seriously!!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 22:40:36 GMT
Parliament are to discuss the possible introduction of Safe Standing to the Premier League and Championship on 25th June - SSN
Well done all involved!
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Post by salopstick on May 2, 2018 9:12:10 GMT
Whilst still a divided issue i believe that most MPs don’t know enough about football to have a proper debate on the subject.
The law should be clubs can do what ever they want as long as it conforms to Health and Safety legislation. Football cannot be singled out compared to concerts and other sporting events.
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