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Post by mouseykanga2 on Apr 24, 2018 15:47:57 GMT
Will we actually invest heavily and actually go for a imidiate return, or piss about getting bloody dogs home signings again and end up a Norwich and other relegated teams which just survive in the championship ?
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Post by stokeson on Apr 24, 2018 15:50:48 GMT
Nothing Big time about Stoke .Workard is our mantra..
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Post by bpm123 on Apr 24, 2018 15:51:11 GMT
Will we actually invest heavily and actually go for a imidiate return, or piss about getting bloody dogs home signings again and end up a Norwich and other relegated teams which just survive in the championship ? I think we'll invest where we can....
There's only a certain player who's prepared to play in the Championship...
We aren't attracting any "big" names unfortunately, we need to attract good Championship players on a Championship wage that will have a sell on value when we get promoted...
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Post by leoncort on Apr 24, 2018 15:53:18 GMT
Will we actually invest heavily and actually go for a imidiate return, or piss about getting bloody dogs home signings again and end up a Norwich and other relegated teams which just survive in the championship ? I think we'll invest where we can....
There's only a certain player who's prepared to play in the Championship...
We aren't attracting any "big" names unfortunately, we need to attract good Championship players on a Championship wage that will have a sell on value when we get promoted...
Correct, we won't attract the big names from europe obviously. But we will still be able to poach the best players from the championship, and players who cant get in some premier league teams. Like the toon did when signing Ritchie, Gayle and Diame. This, with a few loans and maybe a couple of cheaper 'gambles' from europe, and we will hopefully mount a challange. Bring it on. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 15:58:08 GMT
A few shrewd solid Championship quality buys, a couple of frees, use the loan market well, as well as one or two Premier League squad players we can convince to come on the basis we aim to go straight back up is surely the recipe for an immediate return - it worked for Newcastle.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 24, 2018 16:02:16 GMT
There's a theory that, if you're held as a hostage, the sooner you try to escape the better your chances.
Same theory might apply if/when we go down.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 24, 2018 16:05:31 GMT
I see no reason why we should come back up. Or expect to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:07:33 GMT
Need to get rid of some slackers first!
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Post by rawli on Apr 24, 2018 16:24:24 GMT
A few shrewd solid Championship quality buys, a couple of frees, use the loan market well, as well as one or two Premier League squad players we can convince to come on the basis we aim to go straight back up is surely the recipe for an immediate return - it worked for Newcastle. That and a manager on 5 million a year |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 24, 2018 16:44:46 GMT
We'll sign plodders and try and graft our way to promotion, and finish 17th. Think Coates & co already think some of the current squad players are capable (they aren't)
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 24, 2018 16:49:53 GMT
We'll sign plodders and try and graft our way to promotion, and finish 17th. Think Coates & co already think some of the current squad players are capable (they aren't) Last time we pretty much grafted to promotion but amid the sweat was serious quality like Fuller and Lawrence. It's possible to have both. |
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Post by 3putts on Apr 24, 2018 16:51:47 GMT
I see no reason why we should come back up. Or expect to. all we have been lacking in the last two years is a decent striker. |
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Post by Sfance on Apr 24, 2018 16:54:01 GMT
There’s more than enough evidence that Coates is out to lunch. He let us get relegated - why would anyone think he has the gumption to get us back up again? Many people on this board apparently didn’t learn the importance of evidence when they were in school.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 24, 2018 16:55:29 GMT
I see no reason why we should come back up. Or expect to. all we have been lacking in the last two years is a decent striker. Bit more than that mate. Only one creative passer in the team. And they can be a bit haywire. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2018 16:55:40 GMT
I see no reason why we should come back up. Or expect to. all we have been lacking in the last two years is a decent striker. You do remember all those four-goal dickings, right? And the fact that Darren Fletcher was in midfield for the first 4-5 months of the season? And the fact that we were playing a wing back system with no wing backs? And the fact we replaced our star player insufficiently? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:09:39 GMT
We've never been big time.
We've spent within our means for the last 11 years, even when promoted we sold Danny Higginbotham to fund most of it.
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 24, 2018 17:15:47 GMT
Can't see us being ambitious enough to seriously challenge for promotion next season. I fear the penny pinching and self sufficiency bollocks will continue unfortunately and we'll pick up decent championship players on free transfers and perhaps a few loans while spending very little and we'll probably finish around mid table can't see us being as bad as Sunderland though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:19:05 GMT
Said it many times before. It was far easier to spend to stay up than it will be to try and get back up.
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Post by riproaring on Apr 24, 2018 17:28:31 GMT
Will we actually invest heavily and actually go for a imidiate return, or piss about getting bloody dogs home signings again and end up a Norwich and other relegated teams which just survive in the championship ? I think we'll invest where we can....
There's only a certain player who's prepared to play in the Championship...
We aren't attracting any "big" names unfortunately, we need to attract good Championship players on a Championship wage that will have a sell on value when we get promoted...
What a pisser that was the model for premier league Imbula Ramadan Saido etc now worth the square route of nowt |
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Post by pavel on Apr 24, 2018 17:31:25 GMT
I think we'll invest where we can....
There's only a certain player who's prepared to play in the Championship...
We aren't attracting any "big" names unfortunately, we need to attract good Championship players on a Championship wage that will have a sell on value when we get promoted...
Correct, we won't attract the big names from europe obviously. But we will still be able to poach the best players from the championship, and players who cant get in some premier league teams. Like the toon did when signing Ritchie, Gayle and Diame. This, with a few loans and maybe a couple of cheaper 'gambles' from europe, and we will hopefully mount a challange. Bring it on. Small time thinking yet again, if we have the ambition and the right manager and actually back up that ambition we will be able to get some biggish European/British names in, money talks, especially if a player can see a team/club that is ambitious. If you want an example look at how Wolves have transformed themselves. |
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 24, 2018 17:36:30 GMT
A few shrewd solid Championship quality buys, a couple of frees, use the loan market well, as well as one or two Premier League squad players we can convince to come on the basis we aim to go straight back up is surely the recipe for an immediate return - it worked for Newcastle. The only difference being they have Benitez and we have a manager who has forgotten how to win a game of football and has a record of 1 win in 12 games and counting |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:36:30 GMT
I can see us becoming a yoyo team.
Doubt the desire to spend what's needed to stay in the prem is there. In fact we've already been shown that it isn't.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 24, 2018 17:47:37 GMT
I can see us becoming a yoyo team. Doubt the desire to spend what's needed to stay in the prem is there. In fact we've already been shown that it isn't. The club is wedded to self-sufficiency not BET365 throwing mega bucks at the club, that's pretty much set in stone. So we are owned by one of the richest families in the UK but it is of little use without major investment. We might as well be owned by someone like Bill Kenwright, passionate about his club but smallfry financially Self-sufficiency eventual relegates you. Why because you have to have both a crack recruitment team that can replace the 'stars' you have sold with at least a decent player so the team isn't majorly reduced in quality. We failed miserable in this aspect. Also you need players from the academy seriously knocking on the door of the first team and that's not really happening. Southampton were the 'template' for survival at this level but couldn't sustain it. The only club who adopt self-sufficiency (although not so much now) and stayed in the Prem is Everton. Everyone else eventually goes some return others don't. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 24, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
We'll sign plodders and try and graft our way to promotion, and finish 17th. Think Coates & co already think some of the current squad players are capable (they aren't) Last time we pretty much grafted to promotion but amid the sweat was serious quality like Fuller and Lawrence. It's possible to have both. Think this time we'd need quality throughout the side. We can't finish in the top 2, or top 6 by just running more than the opposition. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 24, 2018 17:59:33 GMT
Will we actually invest heavily and actually go for a imidiate return, or piss about getting bloody dogs home signings again and end up a Norwich and other relegated teams which just survive in the championship ? Its not about investing heavily its about investing wisely. As a Championship club we will not be able to attract the quality of player we would be able to attract as a Premiership club - and neither can any other Championship club, It's not "little old Stoke" thing - its the reality of our situation. We need to offload the players who don't want to be here, keep those we really need and can realistically keep (Shawcross, Martins Indi, Bauer, Pieters and Ndiaye will do for me), bring on some youngsters, a couple of committed, hungry old pros whose legs haven't gone, a couple who have been passed by for whatever reason (Drinkwater/Vardy come to mind in recent years) and a couple of lucky punts from the lower leagues and Europe, The Championship is a tough league - good character and attitude matters big time. That has to come first - a sprinkling of class is what makes the difference but the fundamentals have to be in place first. The last thing we can afford is to act like a bunch of big time Charlies/proto Arsenal supporters - if we don't recognise and respect the situation we're in for what it is we'll get eaten alive. Norwich don't want to be in the position they are in - every team that gets relegated wants to make a quick return. Problem is its really hard and anyone who thinks we a massive club who can bounce back simply by chucking money at the problem really doens't get it, |
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Post by biglad180 on Apr 24, 2018 18:17:38 GMT
think we have a solid base for a quick return we just need to hang on to our best players for 12 months and add a few with pace and a eye for goal. I expect we will lose butland and shaqiri but we must do our best to keep allen and n daiye bauer indis shawcross.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 24, 2018 18:17:47 GMT
Key to it is a decent centre forward.
If we could put out a team like this believe we've got a chance.
Grant
Cameron Shawcross Bruno
Bauer Allen Ndiaye New LBW
Ireland Imbula
Benteke
3-4-3 obviously
New Defensive midfielder.
Crouch Wimmer new goalkeeper Diouf
Fletcher
On bench
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Post by alster on Apr 24, 2018 18:48:14 GMT
We'll sign plodders and try and graft our way to promotion, and finish 17th. Think Coates & co already think some of the current squad players are capable (they aren't) Last time we pretty much grafted to promotion but amid the sweat was serious quality like Fuller and Lawrence. It's possible to have both. Last time we went up with the joint record low points for automatic promotion to the Premier League. It worked once, it's not exactly a blueprint for success. To give ourselves anything more than an outside chance we need to have more quality, more goals and a braver gameplan that will allow us to win more winnable games. That's not a blueprint for promotion from the Championship its a blueprint for success at any level. It's a wonder I've never mentioned it before. Our cautious nature is a big reason for our lack of success. |
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Post by onepara on Apr 24, 2018 18:55:31 GMT
Last time we pretty much grafted to promotion but amid the sweat was serious quality like Fuller and Lawrence. It's possible to have both. Last time we went up with the joint record low points for automatic promotion to the Premier League. It worked once, it's not exactly a blueprint for success. To give ourselves anything more than an outside chance we need to have more quality, more goals and a braver gameplan that will allow us to win more winnable games. That's not a blueprint for promotion from the Championship its a blueprint for success at any level. It's a wonder I've never mentioned it before. Our cautious nature is a big reason for our lack of success. We're buggered then, because this manager is cautious with a capital C. He sees a draw as a way forward. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 24, 2018 19:11:41 GMT
Coates and Co. We're not willing to spend the money needed in Jan.to keep us up,what makes people think they will be willing to spend the money on getting us back up?
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