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Post by hanibal7 on Apr 23, 2018 1:16:26 GMT
Probably be 1 or 2 wolves fringe players not good enough for premiership, but. Ok for EFL.
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Post by jamie75 on Apr 23, 2018 11:12:25 GMT
We should obviously be planning now for the inevitable so what are the chances of building a new championship team as early as possible?
We never seem to do business early but what a statement of intent if we signed 3 or four players in early June, way before pre-season starts.
Why do we always leave it till the last minute?
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Post by Veritas on Apr 23, 2018 11:14:16 GMT
The last minute ones may actually be key this year taking promising young loans from the big 6
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 23, 2018 11:27:14 GMT
Slowly and painfully!
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 23, 2018 11:33:55 GMT
If the last 3 windows are anything to go by - Poorly! very poorly!
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Post by foster on Apr 24, 2018 13:35:28 GMT
Anyone heard anything about the chances of keeping Zouma?
Realistically and considering we will lose Butland and Shaq, I would like us to keep hold of Keepers (Grant, Haugaard as 3rd choice), Defenders (Shawcross, Bauer, Zouma, Pieters, Indi) / Midfielders (Allen, Ireland, Ndiaye, Sobhi) / Attackers (Choupo)... and then offload as much of the rest as possible. Aside from the attack we'd be well set for the championship if we can keep all of these and make some good signings.
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Post by philb on Apr 24, 2018 13:39:48 GMT
Anyone heard anything about the chances of keeping Zouma? Realistically and considering we will lose Butland and Shaq, I would like us to keep hold of Keepers (Grant, Haugaard as 3rd choice), Defenders (Shawcross, Bauer, Zouma, Pieters, Indi) / Midfielders (Allen, Ireland, Ndiaye, Sobhi) / Attackers (Choupo)... and then offload as much of the rest as possible. Aside from the attack we'd be well set for the championship if we can keep all of these and make some good signings. I’d say zero chance of keeping Zouma, unless we do the great escape and stay up. If they loan him out next season it’ll be to a PL club......so no chance then! |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 13:47:30 GMT
When the free agents list available.? I'd take Hernandez from Hull and Sakho from Palace to be fair...... I'd have a bit of James MacArthur too (as a Fletcher upgrade - only 30 so he has a couple of good years left in him to help us get back up). |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 13:54:08 GMT
The window hinges on who leaves, how much we get for them and the percentage of those sale proceeds we are allowed to spend by the board. 75m or so in, and 50m of it to spend, would give us a chance, if we spend it wisely. Also, rehabilitation of one of two currently sitting on the naughty step would save us buying replacements for them and also continuing to pay their huge salaries. Saido seems a hopeless case, but couldn't we slim down and fire up Wimmer to do a job? Could Bojan give us options in the creativity department with the inevitable exit of Shaq? Can the technical skills of Imbula be harnessed in a team setting or is he too much of a cock womble?
I'd like a new recruitment team and a new manager as first priority, but it seems such hopes are to be dashed by Old Man Coates. In that case, let's pray that lessons have been learnt and that the impressive signings of Badou and Bauer are the start of a new, improved run of recruitment decisions and not just a case of a even a broken clock being right twice a day.
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Post by foster on Apr 24, 2018 13:59:36 GMT
The window hinges on who leaves, how much we get for them and the percentage of those sale proceeds we are allowed to spend by the board. 75m or so in, and 50m of it to spend, would give us a chance, if we spend it wisely. Also, rehabilitation of one of two currently sitting on the naughty step would save us buying replacements for them and also continuing to pay their huge salaries. Saido seems a hopeless case, but couldn't we slim down and fire up Wimmer to do a job? Could Bojan give us options in the creativity department with the inevitable exit of Shaq? Can the technical skills of Imbula be harnessed in a team setting or is he too much of a cock womble? I'd like a new recruitment team and a new manager as first priority, but it seems such hopes are to be dashed by Old Man Coates. In that case, let's pray that lessons have been learnt and that the impressive signings of Badou and Bauer are the start of a new, improved run of recruitment decisions and not just a case of a even a broken clock being right twice a day. 75m in? Nooooooo chance. Won't even get 25m for Butland and Shaq combined. The rest are hardly worth anything. We'll be lucky to get 35m and that's only if we also sell Allen. |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 24, 2018 14:04:57 GMT
When the free agents list available.? I'd take Hernandez from Hull and Sakho from Palace to be fair...... Huth is availabe at the end of the season on a free. That's just too perfect  |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:06:11 GMT
The window hinges on who leaves, how much we get for them and the percentage of those sale proceeds we are allowed to spend by the board. 75m or so in, and 50m of it to spend, would give us a chance, if we spend it wisely. Also, rehabilitation of one of two currently sitting on the naughty step would save us buying replacements for them and also continuing to pay their huge salaries. Saido seems a hopeless case, but couldn't we slim down and fire up Wimmer to do a job? Could Bojan give us options in the creativity department with the inevitable exit of Shaq? Can the technical skills of Imbula be harnessed in a team setting or is he too much of a cock womble? I'd like a new recruitment team and a new manager as first priority, but it seems such hopes are to be dashed by Old Man Coates. In that case, let's pray that lessons have been learnt and that the impressive signings of Badou and Bauer are the start of a new, improved run of recruitment decisions and not just a case of a even a broken clock being right twice a day. 75m in? Nooooooo chance. Won't even get 25m for Butland and Shaq combined. The rest are hardly worth anything. We'll be lucky to get 35m and that's only if we also sell Allen. 30m - Butland 20m - Shaqiri 15m - Allen 15m- Badou 7m - Bauer 7m - Martins Indi I hope not all of those go (and some others might instead - like Cameron and Pieters - albeit for lower fees), but that is not too far off their current values given today's slightly mad transfer market. |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 24, 2018 14:06:20 GMT
Criminal that a talent like Imbula will just rot elsewhere really. Out of all of the shit we have signed, he’s the one that’s pissed me off the most. If by some miracle we can find something or someone to fire him up he would steamroller the Championship.
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Post by Royal Donut on Apr 24, 2018 14:06:55 GMT
It doesn't matter. Therefore, we have to pray for miracles. Relegated - and that's that. Not back for 50 years. Every new player in a Stoke dress become worse. And better before and/or after. Can't think of ONE single player that has developed during his stay at Stoke!! I'd say Butland would be worth more than 4 million. Arnie worth alot more than we brought him for, n'zonzi maybe another? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:08:01 GMT
Criminal that a talent like Imbula will just rot elsewhere really. Out of all of the shit we have signed, he’s the one that’s pissed me off the most. If by some miracle we can find something or someone to fire him up he would steamroller the Championship. Agreed, a central two of Badou and Imbula is potentially majestic! |
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Post by Royal Donut on Apr 24, 2018 14:08:27 GMT
It doesn't matter. Therefore, we have to pray for miracles. Relegated - and that's that. Not back for 50 years. Every new player in a Stoke dress become worse. And better before and/or after. Can't think of ONE single player that has developed during his stay at Stoke!! I'd say Butland would be worth more than 4 million. Arnie worth alot more than we brought him for, n'zonzi maybe another? Shawcross maybe more than a million now. |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 24, 2018 14:13:20 GMT
Criminal that a talent like Imbula will just rot elsewhere really. Out of all of the shit we have signed, he’s the one that’s pissed me off the most. If by some miracle we can find something or someone to fire him up he would steamroller the Championship. Agreed, a central two of Badou and Imbula is potentially majestic! A crying shame...I wonder if it may just be possible with a clean slate over the summer. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:20:44 GMT
I'd have a bit of James MacArthur too (as a Fletcher upgrade - only 30 so he has a couple of good years left in him to help us get back up). MacArthur? You need to stay off the rum  I've never been impressed with him to be honest and I can't help thinking that we need a real midfield sitter who'll patrol that area in front of a back four. No idea who though... |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:23:55 GMT
75m in? Nooooooo chance. Won't even get 25m for Butland and Shaq combined. The rest are hardly worth anything. We'll be lucky to get 35m and that's only if we also sell Allen. 30m - Butland 20m - Shaqiri 15m - Allen 15m- Badou 7m - Bauer 7m - Martins Indi I hope not all of those go (and some others might instead - like Cameron and Pieters - albeit for lower fees), but that is not too far off their current values given today's slightly mad transfer market. Can't help but think you're under-valuing Allen mate. And Bruno must be worth more than that, surely? |
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2018 14:34:38 GMT
The window hinges on who leaves, how much we get for them and the percentage of those sale proceeds we are allowed to spend by the board. 75m or so in, and 50m of it to spend, would give us a chance, if we spend it wisely. Also, rehabilitation of one of two currently sitting on the naughty step would save us buying replacements for them and also continuing to pay their huge salaries. Saido seems a hopeless case, but couldn't we slim down and fire up Wimmer to do a job? Could Bojan give us options in the creativity department with the inevitable exit of Shaq? Can the technical skills of Imbula be harnessed in a team setting or is he too much of a cock womble? I'd like a new recruitment team and a new manager as first priority, but it seems such hopes are to be dashed by Old Man Coates. In that case, let's pray that lessons have been learnt and that the impressive signings of Badou and Bauer are the start of a new, improved run of recruitment decisions and not just a case of a even a broken clock being right twice a day. 75m in? Nooooooo chance. Won't even get 25m for Butland and Shaq combined. The rest are hardly worth anything. We'll be lucky to get 35m and that's only if we also sell Allen. Butland will leave for around the 25m mark, young England internationals carry a premium even after a bad season. Shaqiri will fetch at the least money back. Allen will cost anything from 15m to 25m but hopefully will stay with us for a season. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:38:19 GMT
We paid £12 million for Shaq. You really think that's the sort of figure we'll get?
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 14:39:31 GMT
30m - Butland 20m - Shaqiri 15m - Allen 15m- Badou 7m - Bauer 7m - Martins Indi I hope not all of those go (and some others might instead - like Cameron and Pieters - albeit for lower fees), but that is not too far off their current values given today's slightly mad transfer market. Can't help but think you're under-valuing Allen mate. And Bruno must be worth more than that, surely? I was trying to be conservative simply to justify my initial aggregate valuation of players who may leave. They could easily go for 20-25m (Joe) and 10-12m (Bruno), I agree. |
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2018 14:52:05 GMT
We paid £12 million for Shaq. You really think that's the sort of figure we'll get? He's the 1 player I think that will kick up a fuss to get a move to where he wants to go. So yeah I think we'll get less than his market value but money back is the very bottom end of what I'm expecting us to get. |
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Post by foster on Apr 24, 2018 14:57:07 GMT
Can't help but think you're under-valuing Allen mate. And Bruno must be worth more than that, surely? I was trying to be conservative simply to justify my initial aggregate valuation of players who may leave. They could easily go for 20-25m (Joe) and 10-12m (Bruno), I agree. If these sums were realistic we would be challenging for the top 6. We will get butt fucked over these transfers as we've got no choice but to sell the players. They will want out and they will force our hand. Clubs outside of the Prem don't have these kind of funds for transfers and there won't be any of the bigger Prem clubs wanting our players. We won't get offered anywhere near these sums. Teams know we have to sell and will wait it out whilst looking elsewhere for cheaper (abroad). Aside from that, with this transfer team when have we ever sold a player for a decent amount? It's just not happening. |
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Post by musik on Apr 24, 2018 15:06:44 GMT
Stoke 2018/2019
Grant
Johnson
Cameron
David Wheater(new)
Edwards
Lee Cattermole (new)
Fletcher
Adam
Sörenson
Darren Bent (new)
Crouch
subs: Haugaard, Tymon, Souttar, Shenton, Ngoy, Campbell, Diouf.
✌️
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 24, 2018 15:34:53 GMT
Very funny, musik!
Sardines. sump oil, Lambretta.
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Post by Stoke70 on Apr 24, 2018 15:48:14 GMT
We've got what, 2.5 months from the end of the season to completely transform the squad whichever league we are in, knowing how bad we are at transfer negotiations this could be quite the task. We could potentially be spinning deals for near enough 11 players or more if you include ins and outs at the same time, it sounds like a fucking disaster to me. Badly Cheaply Sadly |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 24, 2018 15:55:08 GMT
I was trying to be conservative simply to justify my initial aggregate valuation of players who may leave. They could easily go for 20-25m (Joe) and 10-12m (Bruno), I agree. If these sums were realistic we would be challenging for the top 6. We will get butt fucked over these transfers as we've got no choice but to sell the players. They will want out and they will force our hand. Clubs outside of the Prem don't have these kind of funds for transfers and there won't be any of the bigger Prem clubs wanting our players. We won't get offered anywhere near these sums. Teams know we have to sell and will wait it out whilst looking elsewhere for cheaper (abroad). Aside from that, with this transfer team when have we ever sold a player for a decent amount? It's just not happening. Damn, I am glad you are not part of our transfer team. We'd get 10 quid fifty and a set of Admiral tracksuit tops for the lot of them!   |
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 24, 2018 15:57:14 GMT
Arnie went from a 2 million player to a 25 million one. "The exception proves the rule" or more explicitly "the exception that proves the existence of the rule." /quote] It's true that Arnie was one of Hughes's few successes, and he did turn him into a £25M player over, what was it?, four seasons. Moyes has turned Arnie into a £40M player inside one season. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 24, 2018 16:06:49 GMT
Stoke 2018/2019 Grant Johnson Cameron David Wheater(new) Edwards Lee Cattermole (new) Fletcher Adam Sörenson Darren Bent (new) Crouch subs: Haugaard, Tymon, Souttar, Shenton, Ngoy, Campbell, Diouf. ✌️ That's a half decent Div.2 side. |
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I've never been impressed with him to be honest and I can't help thinking that we need a real midfield sitter who'll patrol that area in front of a back four. No idea who though...
