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Post by surreystokie on Apr 21, 2018 20:59:48 GMT
Some on here are quoting Sunderland's plight as due to not having learned a lesson from last year. But haven't we?!
I'll never forget that embarrassing soulless post-match 'thank you' and thinking that we must never be in that position again. We are. What more can I say?
Whatever the outcome this season and miracle or not, I fear for next season, if we don't spend the next three months making huge changes, throughout the club.
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 21, 2018 21:01:52 GMT
This relegation ought to be funny, but, for some reason (  ), I'm not in the mood for gloating. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 21, 2018 21:11:05 GMT
Some on here are quoting Sunderland's plight as due to not having learned a lesson from last year. But haven't we?! I'll never forget that embarrassing soulless post-match 'thank you' and thinking that we must never be in that position again. We are. What more can I say? Whatever the outcome this season and miracle or not, I fear for next season, if we don't spend the next three months making huge changes, throughout the club. As long as no golden shares are involved!  |
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Post by PolPotter on Apr 21, 2018 21:12:05 GMT
We are Sunderland now.
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Apr 21, 2018 21:12:48 GMT
With a lot of help from Par-Poo Raf That's fine if we are all on the understanding that we are getting relegated with a lot of help from Lambert. Otherwise it's bollocks. H Cool if it means that much to you, Dont believe i have commented on my views of Lambert and weather my views on Par-Poo are linked to Lamberts performance, be they bollocks or otherwise. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 21, 2018 21:53:18 GMT
That's fine if we are all on the understanding that we are getting relegated with a lot of help from Lambert. Otherwise it's bollocks. H Cool if it means that much to you, Dont believe i have commented on my views of Lambert and weather my views on Par-Poo are linked to Lamberts performance, be they bollocks or otherwise. It's called parity. H |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 22:11:30 GMT
We are in the same boat as Sunderland....in the same way that we were in the same boat as Charlton and the "be careful what you wish for" knicker-wetters of 8 years ago.
It's a very different situation and with basic action totally unavoidable for SCFC to follow the path of SAFC.
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Post by wrighter on Apr 21, 2018 22:14:17 GMT
Are they definitely relegated ?
looking at the tables, they can get 40 points[same as Bolton and have a better gf
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Post by Theninjabadger on Apr 21, 2018 22:20:18 GMT
Are they definitely relegated ? looking at the tables, they can get 40 points[same as Bolton and have a better gf Burton play bolton next Saturday and any result makes it mathematically impossible |
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Post by surreystokie on Apr 21, 2018 22:20:40 GMT
It’s because Burton and Bolton play each other next week and one of them will get the points.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2018 22:41:42 GMT
Some on here are quoting Sunderland's plight as due to not having learned a lesson from last year. But haven't we?! I'll never forget that embarrassing soulless post-match 'thank you' and thinking that we must never be in that position again. We are. What more can I say? Whatever the outcome this season and miracle or not, I fear for next season, if we don't spend the next three months making huge changes, throughout the club. Monica. You will know the history of a certain individuals involvement with SCFC since 1986. I remain to be convinced in respect of a balanced argument about (a) a supporter, (b) a supporter with a footballing vision and (c) a supporter with a vision for nothing less than personal profit I have my fingers firmly crossed for next season. Does a leopard really chang3 it’s spots? |
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Post by pb1863 on Apr 21, 2018 22:45:14 GMT
Wolves did it and bounced back. Sometimes a good clear out and getting back to a winning culture is what’s needed.,they can rebuild and go up two divisions in two years . It’s been done before.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2018 23:05:40 GMT
Some on here are quoting Sunderland's plight as due to not having learned a lesson from last year. But haven't we?! I'll never forget that embarrassing soulless post-match 'thank you' and thinking that we must never be in that position again. We are. What more can I say? Whatever the outcome this season and miracle or not, I fear for next season, if we don't spend the next three months making huge changes, throughout the club. As long as no golden shares are involved! The Golden Share? St Peter fucked Humphrey’s off at the 1st opportune moment. There’s only one Golden Share  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 21, 2018 23:15:16 GMT
Just shows what an average manager Coleman is too. Don’t talk daft,the club is a basket case Moyes ( who spoke about the running of the club whilst there ) Grayson and Coleman are not bad managers..the bizarre thing is why the last two went there knowing that It may have been an impossible job Wezza but Birmingham is a basket case club as well (and on skid row) but Monk has done a fine job to steer them to near safety. You'd have to conclude on all evidence that Monk is a vastly superior club manager to Coleman |
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Post by werrington on Apr 21, 2018 23:21:20 GMT
Don’t talk daft,the club is a basket case Moyes ( who spoke about the running of the club whilst there ) Grayson and Coleman are not bad managers..the bizarre thing is why the last two went there knowing that It may have been an impossible job Wezza but Birmingham is a basket case club as well (and on skid row) but Monk has done a fine job to steer them to near safety. You'd have to conclude on all evidence that Monk is a vastly superior club manager to Coleman Monk is indeed a good manager mate but Birmingham is a different ball game to Sunderland I’m currently pissed in the unicorn so don’t expect a reasoned reply |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2018 23:31:01 GMT
I’ve had the pleasure many years ago now to use the Corporate Hospitality facilities on many occasions at the stadium. They were absolutely fantastic, a behind the scenes club that were without doubt “Premiership” standard.
i can’t understand what has gone wrong but currently it appears the whole club is a poisoned challace.
I understand supporter rivalry but I feel for the hardened mackems who are no different from ourselves for personal commitment to THEIR football club.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 22, 2018 0:01:15 GMT
It may have been an impossible job Wezza but Birmingham is a basket case club as well (and on skid row) but Monk has done a fine job to steer them to near safety. You'd have to conclude on all evidence that Monk is a vastly superior club manager to Coleman Monk is indeed a good manager mate but Birmingham is a different ball game to Sunderland I’m currently pissed in the unicorn so don’t expect a reasoned reply You pissed in the unicorn? How did that happen? ☺ |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 22, 2018 0:04:26 GMT
Wolves did it and bounced back. Sometimes a good clear out and getting back to a winning culture is what’s needed.,they can rebuild and go up two divisions in two years . It’s been done before. Excellent post. For me it’s all about changing the image and getting people at the club including the fans all pulling in the right direction. I think if we’d got QSF back in January and we’d sold the project to the fans then there would probably have been a feel good factor running through the club which would have seen us OK. Instead we went for what appeared to be a last resort and got in Lambert who just stunk of desperation because everyone else had said “no.” Now I don’t mind Lambert and though the results haven’t been great he does appear to be at least working to a plan in relation to getting the players playing for the club but the points still aren’t on the board. For me if Coates wants to get the fans onside come the start of next season there’s a few things he needs to do. - Sack Lambert and get in an exciting charismatic, modern, forward thinking manager. - Sack Scholes and Cartwright. No one knows their exact involvement in the mess we’re in but 90 percent of fans don’t want them at the club. - Keep Bauer, Badou, Indi, Ryan, Eric. They will form the backbone of the side and give us the chance of coming back. - Offload the dead wood if at all possible. - invest in some young hungry players along with some tried and tested players at Championship level. The likes of players like Dwight Gayle, Grabban etc. I’m pretty sure he’d soon get the fans back onside. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 22, 2018 0:14:45 GMT
Wolves did it and bounced back. Sometimes a good clear out and getting back to a winning culture is what’s needed.,they can rebuild and go up two divisions in two years . It’s been done before. Excellent post. For me it’s all about changing the image and getting people at the club including the fans all pulling in the right direction. I think if we’d got QSF back in January and we’d sold the project to the fans then there would probably have been a feel good factor running through the club that I think would have seen us OK. Instead we went for what appeared to be a last resort and got in Lambert who just stunk of desperation because everyone else had said “no.” Now I don’t mind Lambert and though the results haven’t been great he does appear to be at least working to a plan in relation to getting the players playing for the club. For me if Coates wants to get the fans onside come the start of next season there’s a few things he needs to do. - Sack Lambert and get in an exciting modern forward thinking manager. - Sack Scholes and Cartwright. No one knows their exact involvement in the mess we’re in but 90 percent of fans don’t want them at the club. - Keep Bauer, Badou, Indi, Ryan, Eric. They will form the backbone of the side and give us the chance of coming back. - Offload the dead wood if at all possible. - invest in some young hungry players along with some tried and tested players at Championship level. The likes of players like Dwight Gayle, Grabban etc. I’m pretty sure he’d soon get the fans back onside. Cobham. I may disagree with a couple of you4 points. However the overiding factor will be how the leadership “Lead”. I’m not convinced about the integrity, honesty and competence of those (behind the scenes) charged with re-igniting our future i e Scholes and Cartwright |
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Apr 22, 2018 5:56:21 GMT
Cool if it means that much to you, Dont believe i have commented on my views of Lambert and weather my views on Par-Poo are linked to Lamberts performance, be they bollocks or otherwise. It's called parity. H In your case its called being an argumentative weapon. Is it lonely in that phone box ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 6:23:31 GMT
Excellent post. For me it’s all about changing the image and getting people at the club including the fans all pulling in the right direction. I think if we’d got QSF back in January and we’d sold the project to the fans then there would probably have been a feel good factor running through the club that I think would have seen us OK. Instead we went for what appeared to be a last resort and got in Lambert who just stunk of desperation because everyone else had said “no.” Now I don’t mind Lambert and though the results haven’t been great he does appear to be at least working to a plan in relation to getting the players playing for the club. For me if Coates wants to get the fans onside come the start of next season there’s a few things he needs to do. - Sack Lambert and get in an exciting modern forward thinking manager. - Sack Scholes and Cartwright. No one knows their exact involvement in the mess we’re in but 90 percent of fans don’t want them at the club. - Keep Bauer, Badou, Indi, Ryan, Eric. They will form the backbone of the side and give us the chance of coming back. - Offload the dead wood if at all possible. - invest in some young hungry players along with some tried and tested players at Championship level. The likes of players like Dwight Gayle, Grabban etc. I’m pretty sure he’d soon get the fans back onside. Cobham. I may disagree with a couple of you4 points. &;However the overiding factor will be how the leadership “Lead”. I’m not convinced about the integrity, honesty and competence of those (behind the scenes) charged with re-igniting our future i e Scholes and Cartwright Spot on - as long as Scholes, Cartwright, (and Lambert) remain then I don't see us making any significant progress on or off the pitch. Big changes required this summer, but do the Coates's have the ambition, desire, guts, and are they prepared to spend sufficient money to successfully rejuvenate the club ? I think we all know the answer to that already. |
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 22, 2018 7:21:25 GMT
Just to throw an outside opinion in to the mix your support can have a massive effect on your future, the gate income becomes more important as if you don't come straight back parachute payments decrease season by season, using us as an example Sunderland fans slated our support the season we went down watching arguably the worst Villa side in my 40+ years going down The Villa,well we went down with an average of 33,600 , this season we are at 31,600 last season was 32,400 so a progressing drop off of 2,000 over 3 seasons which is not too had the only major downside so far is the Trinity Road upper being closed for most matches which has left about 100 people(catering staff,stewards etc) without a steady income, now to Sunderland whose fans derided us as being fickle and fair weather to name just 2 of their many insults, only down 1 season and they have lost FORTEEN THOUSAND from their average(41,00 - 27,000) ,they are in debt and have now been relegated two seasons on the spin and the excuse is they've been watching crap for a number of years, makes you wonder who is the fickle support !
Another factor the fans impact on is attracting players ,managers and most importantly financially sponsors nobody like to perform in or be associated with an display of empty plastic seats !
How many fans you lose could decide your fate
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Post by wrighter on Apr 22, 2018 7:27:39 GMT
Are they definitely relegated ? looking at the tables, they can get 40 points[same as Bolton and have a better gf Burton play bolton next Saturday and any result makes it mathematically impossible ah, thankyou for that |
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Post by pulisfan on Apr 22, 2018 7:48:04 GMT
Our sole aim next season in the Championship should be to avoid relegation, with the 'stars' gone it will be a big rebuild job and the players that will be left are nowhere near the level that I've seen even the likes of Brentford and Millwall play at never mind the teams who will be going up or contesting the play-offs.
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Post by haway on Apr 22, 2018 8:07:42 GMT
Ellis Short has a lot to answer for. I will actually have a party if he goes. Absolute arse wipe who has let down managers time and time again. Just to throw an outside opinion in to the mix your support can have a massive effect on your future, the gate income becomes more important as if you don't come straight back parachute payments decrease season by season, using us as an example Sunderland fans slated our support the season we went down watching arguably the worst Villa side in my 40+ years going down The Villa,well we went down with an average of 33,600 , this season we are at 31,600 last season was 32,400 so a progressing drop off of 2,000 over 3 seasons which is not too had the only major downside so far is the Trinity Road upper being closed for most matches which has left about 100 people(catering staff,stewards etc) without a steady income, now to Sunderland whose fans derided us as being fickle and fair weather to name just 2 of their many insults, only down 1 season and they have lost FORTEEN THOUSAND from their average(41,00 - 27,000) ,they are in debt and have now been relegated two seasons on the spin and the excuse is they've been watching crap for a number of years, makes you wonder who is the fickle support ! Another factor the fans impact on is attracting players ,managers and most importantly financially sponsors nobody like to perform in or be associated with an display of empty plastic seats ! How many fans you lose could decide your fate All the best UTV The vast majority would have understood if your fans didn’t turn up after a poor relegation. Don’t assume because a couple on a message board who haven’t gone to a Sunderland match themselves for years are the voice of the true Sunderland fan. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 22, 2018 8:10:31 GMT
Our sole aim next season in the Championship should be to avoid relegation, with the 'stars' gone it will be a big rebuild job and the players that will be left are nowhere near the level that I've seen even the likes of Brentford and Millwall play at never mind the teams who will be going up or contesting the play-offs. Well have some quality but we definitely need to inject the side with some energy and youth. All down to the board and recruitment. |
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 22, 2018 8:41:33 GMT
Ellis Short has a lot to answer for. I will actually have a party if he goes. Absolute arse wipe who has let down managers time and time again. Just to throw an outside opinion in to the mix your support can have a massive effect on your future, the gate income becomes more important as if you don't come straight back parachute payments decrease season by season, using us as an example Sunderland fans slated our support the season we went down watching arguably the worst Villa side in my 40+ years going down The Villa,well we went down with an average of 33,600 , this season we are at 31,600 last season was 32,400 so a progressing drop off of 2,000 over 3 seasons which is not too had the only major downside so far is the Trinity Road upper being closed for most matches which has left about 100 people(catering staff,stewards etc) without a steady income, now to Sunderland whose fans derided us as being fickle and fair weather to name just 2 of their many insults, only down 1 season and they have lost FORTEEN THOUSAND from their average(41,00 - 27,000) ,they are in debt and have now been relegated two seasons on the spin and the excuse is they've been watching crap for a number of years, makes you wonder who is the fickle support ! Another factor the fans impact on is attracting players ,managers and most importantly financially sponsors nobody like to perform in or be associated with an display of empty plastic seats ! How many fans you lose could decide your fate All the best UTV The vast majority would have understood if your fans didn’t turn up after a poor relegation. Don’t assume because a couple on a message board who haven’t gone to a Sunderland match themselves for years are the voice of the true Sunderland fan. To be fair it was a lot more than a couple mate, however you as all clubs including us have their fair share of plant pots and the majority of your support are proper Let's hope this is as bad as it gets for you I dread to think how the SOL will look if your gates continue to drop, good luck next season  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 8:45:27 GMT
It may have been an impossible job Wezza but Birmingham is a basket case club as well (and on skid row) but Monk has done a fine job to steer them to near safety. You'd have to conclude on all evidence that Monk is a vastly superior club manager to Coleman Monk is indeed a good manager mate but Birmingham is a different ball game to Sunderland I’m currently pissed in the unicorn so don’t expect a reasoned reply What a fantastic choice of boozer!! Bloody love it in there |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 22, 2018 8:50:20 GMT
We’re are now in talks about terminating a loan contract that has 4 games to go one of which is today , I th8nk that’s tells us everything we need to know about how pro active our summer is going to be .
We will be monitoring in August and blaming the change in transfer window timing and harsh reality of relegation we didn’t expect given our excelent squad in September .
I’d take 50 points in the championship next season now if offered but think that’s pretty ambitious .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 9:18:28 GMT
We’re are now in talks about terminating a loan contract that has 4 games to go one of which is today , I th8nk that’s tells us everything we need to know about how pro active our summer is going to be . We will be monitoring in August and blaming the change in transfer window timing and harsh reality of relegation we didn’t expect given our excelent squad in September . I’d take 50 points in the championship next season now if offered but think that’s pretty ambitious . You’ve predicted doom and gloom for years. Stop making out you’re Nostradamus and stop spamming every non -related thread with your Jese bollocks.... |
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