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Post by Absolution on Apr 21, 2018 17:15:37 GMT
Cash pure and simple Wezza. No real affinity! H Coleman in particular had a cast iron job already mate and would have had very good souters after his services once they knew he’d leave the Welsh job so why he chose Sunderland was bizarre I honestly think we’d of gone for him It's almost a win-win situation though mate. Fail and he gets three or four years money for a year's work, and no one holds him responsible because everyone knows the club is a basket case. Succeed and he gets the adulation of a big, passionate crowd and the door opens to more attractive jobs. Plus any decent manager will have an ego that says "Someone's going to strike it big at this club one day, why not me?"
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Post by werrington on Apr 21, 2018 17:18:23 GMT
Coleman in particular had a cast iron job already mate and would have had very good souters after his services once they knew he’d leave the Welsh job so why he chose Sunderland was bizarre I honestly think we’d of gone for him It's almost a win-win situation though mate. Fail and he gets three or four years money for a year's work, and no one holds him responsible because everyone knows the club is a basket case. Succeed and he gets the adulation of a big, passionate crowd and the door opens to more attractive jobs. Plus any decent manager will have an ego that says "Someone's going to strike it big at this club one day, why not me?" That last sentence is bang on mate but not at a club run like Sunderland The warning signs have been flashing for many many years now
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:22:33 GMT
One big problem Ithink most teams face when relegated is the difference in salary. Some players won't care as long as they are getting the wedge whilst others that come in on lower wages resent them. I would say very difficult to manage and one we are going to have to face up to.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 21, 2018 17:27:41 GMT
Unlike Sunderland we have money if we want to use it. IF, we get relegated again it'll be a bigger travesty than the Mackems going for sure.
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2018 17:28:35 GMT
Sunderland had 14 senior players at the start of the season. Absolutely nothing to suggest that will be the case here. Average finish of a relegated Premier League side is 8th.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 21, 2018 17:32:09 GMT
It's almost a win-win situation though mate. Fail and he gets three or four years money for a year's work, and no one holds him responsible because everyone knows the club is a basket case. Succeed and he gets the adulation of a big, passionate crowd and the door opens to more attractive jobs. Plus any decent manager will have an ego that says "Someone's going to strike it big at this club one day, why not me?" That last sentence is bang on mate but not at a club run like Sunderland The warning signs have been flashing for many many years now As they did with the Villa, but they seem to have halted the slide. I'm still massively surprised to see what's happened to Sunderland. It takes a special kind of special to get back-to-back relegations, especially after supping from the big table's millions for so long.
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Post by thicknthin on Apr 21, 2018 17:37:50 GMT
Wow, Rodwell will be the first league 1 player on 70 grand a week 😳
More than some teams would get in that division I'd imagine
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2018 17:38:52 GMT
Coleman ain't spoken to the Sunderland owners since November.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 21, 2018 17:39:22 GMT
Plenty of suggestions on Sunderland being a mess of a club, but what have they done that has been so bonkers that would lead you to believe their demise was all down to the lunatics running the asylum. They have spent money and had some half decent managers who they have backed and it hasn’t worked out. How different are we to them....we’ve spent money, had reasonable managers (debateable point) and done very little high profile stuff wrong....arguably Berahino is our biggest profile error. I don’t see them being that different to us and if that is the case, then why are we not equally at risk of following the same path?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:54:54 GMT
I wonder whether another tram starting with the letter S will be relegated from the Championship next season? Stoniers?
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Post by stokie1954 on Apr 21, 2018 17:57:40 GMT
Coleman has had since November to turn them round. Glad we haven't ended up with someone like him. Hang on though!!.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 21, 2018 17:59:21 GMT
Part of me thinks it won't happen, but we're showing many of the signs.
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Post by stantheman on Apr 21, 2018 18:18:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 18:25:52 GMT
This could very easily be us. We have a Board and Chairman who seemingly have no ambition and have turned off the tap for transfers. They have shared culpability with Hughes, Scholes, Cartwright, and to a lesser degree Lambert, in overseeing our decline and will be leading us into the Championship next season.
Things desperately need to change on and off the pitch but Coates's desire for us to be self sufficient will certainly hinder any rapid revival next season.
Unless things drastically improve pretty much across the whole club I am worried that we could indeed well be another Sunderland.
I just hope the Coates and the Board are alert to the situation and have a plan already in place to make us a genuine promotion contender next season. I somehow doubt it though.
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Post by duckling on Apr 21, 2018 18:33:01 GMT
Next year Jack Rodwell will earn £70k a week in League One. Sunderland will play against Accrington Stanley whose entire wage bill was about £15k a week this year.
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Apr 21, 2018 18:40:55 GMT
Pulis is a fantastic manager Relegated West Brom H With a lot of help from Par-Poo Raf
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Post by stantheman on Apr 21, 2018 18:46:15 GMT
Next year Jack Rodwell will earn £70k a week in League One. Sunderland will play against Accrington Stanley whose entire wage bill was about £15k a week this year. His relegation clause of - 40% kicks in at the end of this season. So the poor chap will have to manage on £40K a week for the next 12 months until his contract ends in June 2019. Saido likes this 🙄
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 21, 2018 19:04:53 GMT
Good chance of staying up to relegation in the space of 5 minutes funny old game football.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 21, 2018 19:05:48 GMT
Unlike Sunderland we have money if we want to use it. IF, we get relegated again it'll be a bigger travesty than the Mackems going for sure. Do you know that as a fact? I reckon all the finance SCFC has committed to the likes of Berahino, Imbula, Bojan, and the rest will suck up a huge amount of cash. I also think we will not get much money for Butland, Shaq, or any other players we might sell. I think we are on the rails following Sunderland, Wigan, and Blackburn down to the third tier, and don't think the Coates family will cough up the sort of money that will be needed to rebuild the side. Remember we have an awful lot of players over 30 still on the books. Then there is the issue of management who created the situation we are in. We have all berated to player signings but the academy has had a huge amount of money poured into into and not produced 1 single consistent Premier League standard player. I am seriously of the view that the party is over and we and we will occupy the lower leagues for another generation, if not forever like the likes of Portsmouth, Northampton, Coventry, etc. and well over half the clubs in the Championship are more likely to be promoted to the Prem in the next couple of seasons than Stoke.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 21, 2018 19:16:51 GMT
Unlike Sunderland we have money if we want to use it. IF, we get relegated again it'll be a bigger travesty than the Mackems going for sure. Do you know that as a fact? I reckon all the finance SCFC has committed to the likes of Berahino, Imbula, Bojan, and the rest will suck up a huge amount of cash. I also think we will not get much money for Butland, Shaq, or any other players we might sell. I think we are on the rails following Sunderland, Wigan, and Blackburn down to the third tier, and don't think the Coates family will cough up the sort of money that will be needed to rebuild the side. Remember we have an awful lot of players over 30 still on the books. Then there is the issue of management who created the situation we are in. We have all berated to player signings but the academy has had a huge amount of money poured into into and not produced 1 single consistent Premier League standard player. I am seriously of the view that the party is over and we and we will occupy the lower leagues for another generation, if not forever like the likes of Portsmouth, Northampton, Coventry, etc. and well over half the clubs in the Championship are more likely to be promoted to the Prem in the next couple of seasons than Stoke. I agree Mr coke. Got some mild rebuke for this recently. The party is well and truly over. I'm going to say it again though. I will be very pleased with a comfortable tenth place in the Championship next season.
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Post by stokebloke on Apr 21, 2018 19:22:08 GMT
Huge club..badly run. Hope it doesn't happen to us 🙁
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Post by generationex on Apr 21, 2018 19:29:30 GMT
Wow, Rodwell will be the first league 1 player on 70 grand a week 😳 More than some teams would get in that division I'd imagine We’ve got 5 players on nearly that each week that won’t even be allowed at the club next year! It’s the Legacy what kills yer.
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Post by Northy on Apr 21, 2018 19:29:55 GMT
We arent as toxic as them behind the scenes. Are we? Just incompetent. No, they are £110m in debt and are up for sale.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 21, 2018 19:33:36 GMT
The Rodwell situation is shocking.
We've got two Rodwells Berahino & Wimmer!!
How will we know for definite if we have relegation clauses?
I've a very bad feeling about next year, I think we are going to really struggle and have a badly divided squad
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Post by RAF on Apr 21, 2018 19:35:15 GMT
With a lot of help from Par-Poo Raf That's fine if we are all on the understanding that we are getting relegated with a lot of help from Lambert. Otherwise it's bollocks. H
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 21, 2018 19:37:52 GMT
Sunderland had 14 senior players at the start of the season. Absolutely nothing to suggest that will be the case here. Average finish of a relegated Premier League side is 8th. Think we could have similar, we'll lose many of the *good* or *ok* players, and are people really confident about Berahino, Wimmer, Fletcher, Afellay playing? And that's the average finish. We'll be one of those sides that drags the average down.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 21, 2018 19:44:40 GMT
The wages situation with some of our underachievers (Wimmers, Bera etc) does concern me. Keep thinking back to the Leeds situation with Doobs (which worked well for us at the time.)
If our players don't have relegation clauses in their contacts, then Scholes wants removing from office with immediate effect
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 21, 2018 19:55:12 GMT
You would like to think we have already made all our bad decisions and we will learn from them. We are not Sunderland or their ilk. We may have a problem with players on long contracts but luckily we have rich owners who are invested in the club. I see no need for concern but,then again,in June 2017 I thought we should keep Hughes and I still thought so up until Coventry. ..when I say "invested" I mean they have more than a passing interest. Think that's the key to it though. How much "interest" do they have in the Club. Get the feeling Peter is becoming an isolated figure and his little hobby has become perhaps a distraction (to the family) Let's see. Sincerely hope I'm completely and utterly wrong.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 21, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
Sunderland v Accrington
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 21, 2018 19:59:25 GMT
Coming to a club near you soon
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