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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 15, 2018 20:27:37 GMT
This has literally no bearing on his commitment one way or the other. It’s the non-story of non-stories. I don't recall you offering a similar defence of kevin wimmer earlier in the season for a similar indiscretion. This group of players are the most dispicable bunch of gutless mercenaries I could ever have imagined playing for us. To a man, shawcross and BMI excluded, they are a complete bunch of wankers and shaqiri is as big a one as wimmer and berahino. I said nothing about Wimmer’s social media habits. Him visibly giggling and palling around after a complete dicking is a bit different to liking a tweet, which has no bearing on anything. This is firmly in ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ territory.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 20:29:45 GMT
There's plenty of ordinary rank and file Stoke supporters who haven't got the slightest clue of how relevant that that goal was Dave. Not everyone are mathematicians studying the specific context of results as they happen. When wimmer did similar mate i think it was you that said it was an example of a lack of both personal and professional pride. You were bob on then and the same applies here. I'm sick to my back teeth of this lot. I really am. They are an absolute disgrace. Two completely different contexts Dave. Wimmer didn't acknowledge the Stokies who had travelled down to London, who had just moments earlier seen us take a thorough beating, no he was more interested in lording it up with a mate from the opposition ON THE PITCH. Shaqiri has simply liked a tweet from his mate in the comfort of his own home (or wherever) without having the faintest idea of the relevance of the goal.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 15, 2018 20:31:58 GMT
I don't recall you offering a similar defence of kevin wimmer earlier in the season for a similar indiscretion. This group of players are the most dispicable bunch of gutless mercenaries I could ever have imagined playing for us. To a man, shawcross and BMI excluded, they are a complete bunch of wankers and shaqiri is as big a one as wimmer and berahino. I said nothing about Wimmer’s social media habits. Him visibly giggling and palling around after a complete dicking is a bit different to liking a tweet, which has no bearing on anything. This is firmly in ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ territory. Wimmer shook hands with his former teammates and liked their tweets. Shaqiri has like the tweet of a goal that has effectively relegated us. They are one in the same thing. You are right about one thing. It won't affect his performance. He'll still strut around like he's messi whilst having the same impact in a game that david oldfield used to have...namely very little.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 20:37:48 GMT
Now I know Reg down the Black Lion may not know but if Shaqiri and his ilk don't know then ever likely we are in the shit 😂 I'm pretty sure he doesn't mate, people are getting offended by something that isn't there. Shaqiri will still put in the same performance tomorrow regardless of if Huddersfield had won or lost 4-0. If Huddersfield had lost 4-0 yesterday and Shaqiri wasn't aware of the implications then he is a disgrace to the shirt of SCFC.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 15, 2018 20:39:07 GMT
I said nothing about Wimmer’s social media habits. Him visibly giggling and palling around after a complete dicking is a bit different to liking a tweet, which has no bearing on anything. This is firmly in ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ territory. Wimmer shook hands with his former teammates and liked their tweets. Shaqiri has like the tweet of a goal that has effectively relegated us. They are one in the same thing. You are right about one thing. It won't affect his performance. He'll still strut around like he's messi whilst having the same impact in a game that david oldfield used to have...namely very little. I wasn’t bothered about Wimmer’s tweets and I’m not bothered about Shaqiri’s. They mean absolutely nothing. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t care, it doesn’t mean he has some sort of ulterior motive, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want us to stay up. Shaqiri wasn’t palling around with his old mates after a thrashing, that’s what was taken exception to. I don’t recall David Oldfield contributing directly to around half the goals we scored in a season. If Erik Pieters had done it you wouldn’t give a flying one. It’s a stick to beat a player you’ve never liked. He can like a Tweet or post pictures of himself stroking a picture of Neil Aspin for all I care, as long as he turns up on the pitch, which he generally has this season. He can frustrate and I wouldn’t want to go to the pub with him but there are plenty of reasons why we’re going down and he isn’t one of them.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 20:41:34 GMT
I'm pretty sure he doesn't mate, people are getting offended by something that isn't there. Shaqiri will still put in the same performance tomorrow regardless of if Huddersfield had won or lost 4-0. If Huddersfield had lost 4-0 yesterday and Shaqiri wasn't aware of the implications then he is a disgrace to the shirt of SCFC. Total straw man.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 20:44:20 GMT
If Huddersfield had lost 4-0 yesterday and Shaqiri wasn't aware of the implications then he is a disgrace to the shirt of SCFC. Total straw man. Eh?
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Post by datguy on Apr 15, 2018 20:46:01 GMT
Would love to know what you think about Charlie Adam's on and off pitch attitude. Wonder if he gets the same reaction.
Shaqiri, won us points this season single-handedly. Lay off him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 20:46:17 GMT
You've deliberately missed my point and proposed an argument I wasn't even making. Shaqiri's performance tomorrow will not be in any way shape or form be affected by the Huddersfield performance on Saturday.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 15, 2018 20:51:02 GMT
This is turning into a top Oatcake thread.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:00:24 GMT
You've deliberately missed my point and proposed an argument I wasn't even making. Look.. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And I'm certainly not having an argument. If your point is that the result at Huddersfield had no bearing on Shaqiri .. good or bad ... then fine. What I'm saying is two things. 1. If.. Huddersfield had lost 4-0 and Shaqiri didn't feel a surge of optimistic blood through his veins the he's either a complete and utter cold fish mercenary or a thick tw*t. 2. For him to "like" a competitor scoring a goal that effectively relegated HIS Club to the Championship is simply a stupid, disrespectful and crazy thing to do. We beg to differ of course. As posted previously, it may be a very silly trivial thing. But it is in my mind a little picture of the mind-set of the players within our Club at the moment.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 15, 2018 21:09:39 GMT
Wimmer shook hands with his former teammates and liked their tweets. Shaqiri has like the tweet of a goal that has effectively relegated us. They are one in the same thing. You are right about one thing. It won't affect his performance. He'll still strut around like he's messi whilst having the same impact in a game that david oldfield used to have...namely very little. I wasn’t bothered about Wimmer’s tweets and I’m not bothered about Shaqiri’s. They mean absolutely nothing. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t care, it doesn’t mean he has some sort of ulterior motive, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want us to stay up. Shaqiri wasn’t palling around with his old mates after a thrashing, that’s what was taken exception to. I don’t recall David Oldfield contributing directly to around half the goals we scored in a season. If Erik Pieters had done it you wouldn’t give a flying one. It’s a stick to beat a player you’ve never liked. He can like a Tweet or post pictures of himself stroking a picture of Neil Aspin for all I care, as long as he turns up on the pitch, which he generally has this season. He can frustrate and I wouldn’t want to go to the pub with him but there are plenty of reasons why we’re going down and he isn’t one of them. Absolute rubbish. If pieters, shawcross or fuller had done it I'd react in exactly the same way. Choupo has the same number of assists and one less goal and he gets slaughtered. Shaqiri is simply less shit than some of his shit teammates.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 21:13:31 GMT
You've deliberately missed my point and proposed an argument I wasn't even making. Look.. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And I'm certainly not having an argument. If your point is that the result at Huddersfield had no bearing on Shaqiri .. good or bad ... then fine. What I'm saying is two things. 1. If.. Huddersfield had lost 4-0 and Shaqiri didn't feel a surge of optimistic blood through his veins the he's either a complete and utter cold fish mercenary or a thick tw*t. 2. For him to "like" a competitor scoring a goal that effectively relegated HIS Club to the Championship is simply a stupid, disrespectful and crazy thing to do. We beg to differ of course. As posted previously, it may be a very silly trivial thing. But it is in my mind a little picture of the mind-set of the players within our Club at the moment. I don't know how to make my point any clearer and ultimately I'm just repeating myself now ... It appears to me that you are only offended by Shaqiri's 'like' because you've assumed that he knows the relevance of the goal and he is therefore somehow disrespecting his colleagues and Stoke supporters by doing so. I'm suggesting, that there's a very good chance that he doesn't actually know the relevance of the goal, ergo you shouldn't be offended by his 'like'. It then seems that if that is the actual case, then you then want to castigate him for not realising the relevance of the goal, which I think is grossly unfair as there are plenty of rank and file Stoke supporters who don't realise the relevance either ... we're not all mathematicians studying the implications of specific results in certain matches and he shouldn't be expected to either.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:21:07 GMT
Look.. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And I'm certainly not having an argument. If your point is that the result at Huddersfield had no bearing on Shaqiri .. good or bad ... then fine. What I'm saying is two things. 1. If.. Huddersfield had lost 4-0 and Shaqiri didn't feel a surge of optimistic blood through his veins the he's either a complete and utter cold fish mercenary or a thick tw*t. 2. For him to "like" a competitor scoring a goal that effectively relegated HIS Club to the Championship is simply a stupid, disrespectful and crazy thing to do. We beg to differ of course. As posted previously, it may be a very silly trivial thing. But it is in my mind a little picture of the mind-set of the players within our Club at the moment. I don't know how to make my point any clearer and ultimately I'm just repeating myself now ... It appears to me that you are only offended by Shaqiri's 'like' because you've assumed that he knows the relevance of the goal and he is therefore somehow disrespecting his colleagues and Stoke supporters by doing so. I'm suggesting, that there's a very good chance that he doesn't actually know the relevance of the goal, ergo you shouldn't be offended by his 'like'. It then seems that if that is the actual case, then you then want to castigate him for not realising the relevance of the goal, which I think is grossly unfair as there are plenty of rank and file Stoke supporters who don't realise the relevance either ... we're not all mathematicians studying the implications of specific results in certain matches and he shouldn't be expected to either. [br So.. you are defending a millionaire £80k per week professional footballer who doesn't know the relevance of a result directly affecting his Club. Is that what you are saying?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 21:25:51 GMT
I don't know how to make my point any clearer and ultimately I'm just repeating myself now ... It appears to me that you are only offended by Shaqiri's 'like' because you've assumed that he knows the relevance of the goal and he is therefore somehow disrespecting his colleagues and Stoke supporters by doing so. I'm suggesting, that there's a very good chance that he doesn't actually know the relevance of the goal, ergo you shouldn't be offended by his 'like'. It then seems that if that is the actual case, then you then want to castigate him for not realising the relevance of the goal, which I think is grossly unfair as there are plenty of rank and file Stoke supporters who don't realise the relevance either ... we're not all mathematicians studying the implications of specific results in certain matches and he shouldn't be expected to either. [br So.. you are defending a millionaire £80k per week professional footballer who doesn't know the relevance of a result directly affecting his Club. Is that what you are saying? Exactly. How much he earns is irrelevant, just like 'Reg down the Black Lion'. It's a benign 'like' of his mate scoring a goal, it began and ended there, absolutely nothing to see beyond that, unless of course you want to be offended by it.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:28:28 GMT
[br So.. you are defending a millionaire £80k per week professional footballer who doesn't know the relevance of a result directly affecting his Club. Is that what you are saying? Exactly. How much he earns is irrelevant, just like 'Reg down the Black Lion'. It's a benign 'like' of his mate scoring a goal, it began and ended there, absolutely nothing to see beyond that, unless of course you want to be offended by it. Tell you what.. His mate knew the relevance and importance of it. And Shaqiri congratulated him. What a tosser.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 15, 2018 21:28:31 GMT
I wasn’t bothered about Wimmer’s tweets and I’m not bothered about Shaqiri’s. They mean absolutely nothing. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t care, it doesn’t mean he has some sort of ulterior motive, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want us to stay up. Shaqiri wasn’t palling around with his old mates after a thrashing, that’s what was taken exception to. I don’t recall David Oldfield contributing directly to around half the goals we scored in a season. If Erik Pieters had done it you wouldn’t give a flying one. It’s a stick to beat a player you’ve never liked. He can like a Tweet or post pictures of himself stroking a picture of Neil Aspin for all I care, as long as he turns up on the pitch, which he generally has this season. He can frustrate and I wouldn’t want to go to the pub with him but there are plenty of reasons why we’re going down and he isn’t one of them. Absolute rubbish. If pieters, shawcross or fuller had done it I'd react in exactly the same way. Choupo has the same number of assists and one less goal and he gets slaughtered. Shaqiri is simply less shit than some of his shit teammates. Yeah, ok Dave. Choupo has one less assist, two fewer goals and only six players in the entire league have created more chances per game this season than Shaqiri.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:31:13 GMT
[br So.. you are defending a millionaire £80k per week professional footballer who doesn't know the relevance of a result directly affecting his Club. Is that what you are saying? Exactly. How much he earns is irrelevant, just like 'Reg down the Black Lion'. It's a benign 'like' of his mate scoring a goal, it began and ended there, absolutely nothing to see beyond that, unless of course you want to be offended by it. And it's not "benign" It's symptomatic of the disease that's running through our Club.
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2018 21:33:43 GMT
Dave is spot on here
As that goal pretty much sends us down he should not be liking that picture, its morally wrong. Its pathetic, He plays for stoke and i couldnt care less if its his best friend, brother or fucking cousin playing for huddersfield why can't he just keep his opinion to himself. I don't care if he's happy for a fellow international.
Its quite sad that players can't stay off instagram and twitter. They need fucking off.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2018 21:34:54 GMT
Exactly. How much he earns is irrelevant, just like 'Reg down the Black Lion'. It's a benign 'like' of his mate scoring a goal, it began and ended there, absolutely nothing to see beyond that, unless of course you want to be offended by it. And it's not "benign" It's symptomatic of the disease that's running through our Club. I really do think you're just seeing what you want to see because it fits your agenda.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 15, 2018 21:39:09 GMT
He is a gay swiss materhorn surrender monkey, who looks like a 70's porn star. He is shite and needs to feck off as soon as the season ends
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:44:51 GMT
And it's not "benign" It's symptomatic of the disease that's running through our Club. I really do think you're just seeing what you want to see because it fits your agenda. Yes. It does suit my agenda actually. My agenda is that I want some players who actually care about the Club and it's supporters. I want to see some players with a modicum of responsibility and care of duty. I want to see some players who actually do give a fuck
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 15, 2018 21:47:06 GMT
He is a gay swiss materhorn surrender monkey, who looks like a 70's porn star. He is shite and needs to feck off as soon as the season ends At last someone brings some badly needed logic and sagacious intellect to this discussion
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2018 21:55:51 GMT
And it's not "benign" It's symptomatic of the disease that's running through our Club. I really do think you're just seeing what you want to see because it fits your agenda. By the way.. His "mate" didn't even score the goal as you stated earlier.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 15, 2018 22:07:26 GMT
There are two ways to read his 'like'........ he either doesn't care that we are as good as relegated by the goal or he's too stupid to realise it's significance ( something I find hard to believe tbh ). ........ Of course, it's also possible that he thinks the squad is so shit and the manager is so ineffective that we were already doomed before that game anyway.
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Post by ryouonthistrain on Apr 15, 2018 22:48:48 GMT
Fuck me he probably didn't even realise. The amount of Stokies that seem to hate Shaq is bewildering, without him we would probably be down by now.plus he scores fantastic goals and is skillfull as fuck.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 15, 2018 22:53:53 GMT
Its not a snub to not acknowledge a tweet that god knows how many of your own supporters are going to see. Congratulate him privately if you must but this is ridiculous. As i say, I didnt see you (or anyone else for that matter) offering up a similar defence for wimmer post tottenham. Dave you're assuming that Shaqiri has even realised that THAT goal has sealed our relegation. Honestly mate, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if he hasn't even got the remotest clue that that is the case. He's liked his mate scoring a goal, his like started and ended with that fact and that fact alone. And it hasn’t “sealed” relegation has it?
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 15, 2018 23:00:51 GMT
The reason Wimmer got more stick was because this season he has done fuck all and was an absolute waste of money, where ok the other hand Shaqiri has been our best player and without him we would already be down, and if he wants like a tweet he can it made no difference to the outcome as he wasn’t playing in the match and it wasn’t a match that hudders won against us
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Post by liamo on Apr 15, 2018 23:03:41 GMT
I'm way past caring, bring on relegation and start again
If the players cared even a tiny fraction of the amount the fans do we wouldn't be in this position
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Post by professorplump on Apr 15, 2018 23:27:58 GMT
Dave is spot on here As that goal pretty much sends us down he should not be liking that picture, its morally wrong. Its pathetic, He plays for stoke and i couldnt care less if its his best friend, brother or fucking cousin playing for huddersfield why can't he just keep his opinion to himself. I don't care if he's happy for a fellow international. Its quite sad that players can't stay off instagram and twitter. They need fucking off. Judging by some of the comments on this thread, there are a few people on here who should lay off social media as well, especially the disgusting one from Blackpoolred, who in one sentence has shown himself to be both homophobic and racist. This is a total non issue which has been blown out of all proportion. Some people on here really need to get a life.
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