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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 11, 2018 8:59:56 GMT
Although I believe that he's our most saleable asset in terms of the number of clubs who'd be interested, is there any chance Allen would give us 12 months? Being in the Championship wouldn't affect his International career you wouldn't have thought. Can't see it myself Sheikhy. I doubt Joe sees himself as a Championship player and it's not like he's a hometown boy and owes us something I've a bad feeling we'll be taking to the pitch next season with a motley crew of grandads and kiddies
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2018 9:00:46 GMT
Grant Bauer shawx indi pieters Ndiaye gcam Walters ireland sobhi Diouf Sign jon back up could do a well of a lot worse than signing Jon and Huth back up to replace Indi who I think will leave. This will get slated by the Oatcake Rightfully so. Walters has been a crock for two seasons now. And is Huth still injured? Old, injury prone players are exactly what we don't need. We have to get away from that ilk of player. We have experienced heads that will stay, we don't need any more. We need pace, energy and fitness. We need to get with modern football tbh.
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Post by samba :) on Apr 11, 2018 9:01:33 GMT
Grant Bauer shawx indi pieters Ndiaye gcam Walters ireland sobhi Diouf Sign jon back up could do a well of a lot worse than signing Jon and Huth back up to replace Indi who I think will leave. This will get slated by the Oatcake definitely, these are charectars that we need in the champ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 9:15:13 GMT
could do a well of a lot worse than signing Jon and Huth back up to replace Indi who I think will leave. This will get slated by the Oatcake Rightfully so. Walters has been a crock for two seasons now. And is Huth still injured? Old, injury prone players are exactly what we don't need. We have to get away from that ilk of player. We have experienced heads that will stay, we don't need any more. We need pace, energy and fitness. We need to get with modern football tbh. This. There's plenty of young, hungry Championship players in the £10m bracket that could propel us straight back up if we keep a few of our better players alongside them . The likes of George Saville (Millwall), Joe Worrall (Nottm Forest), Joe Bryan (Bristol City), Ollie Watkins (Brentford) to name but a few......
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 11, 2018 9:18:25 GMT
Is FatBoy Cartwright doing his scouting yet? We are gonna need a new team by the looks of things
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Post by Gods on Apr 11, 2018 9:23:50 GMT
We are really going to struggle to get rid of a lot of these wasters. It will only be the ones we don't want to leave that will go....... That's the problem in a nutshell.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 11, 2018 10:13:35 GMT
I've got a sneaky feeling Joe Allen may stay on if we got relegated. Sure he's very settled in the area regarding homelife & is the kind of guy that will burden some of the responsibility of relegation & will endeavour to get us back up at the first attempt. His International career won't be in any way threatened by being a Championship player as most Welsh players are in that league anyway. Remember everyone saying Jonjo Shelvey would leave Newcastle when they got relegated from the Prem & he hung around with them so is possible if he's reasonably happy here & his wages don't take a massive hit. Guessing it may be Stoke that determine his future as they may view him moving on as a good source of income & they may try to shift him out despite his wishes. Think who stays & goes at the end of the season dependant on what league we start next season in will very much determine the boards future intentions of our club.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 10:39:38 GMT
Grant Bauer shawx indi pieters Ndiaye gcam Walters ireland sobhi Diouf Sign jon back up With you on much of this assuming we can't convince Allen to stay but Jon has managed 3 games this season we have enough risk already for next season of players getting paid and not playing Diouf will be ok as back up in the Championship but we need someone who can actually finish, ignoring his time in Norway he is a 1 in 4 games man. I am an Ireland fan but with 1 appearance in 2 seasons and 31 in 4 four seasons is he worthy of the risk, as he is out of contract in the summer a pay as play contract may be a good option.
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Post by samba :) on Apr 11, 2018 11:21:33 GMT
Grant Bauer shawx indi pieters Ndiaye gcam Walters ireland sobhi Diouf Sign jon back up With you on much of this assuming we can't convince Allen to stay but Jon has managed 3 games this season we have enough risk already for next season of players getting paid and not playing Diouf will be ok as back up in the Championship but we need someone who can actually finish, ignoring his time in Norway he is a 1 in 4 games man. I am an Ireland fan but with 1 appearance in 2 seasons and 31 in 4 four seasons is he worthy of the risk, as he is out of contract in the summer a pay as play contract may be a good option. Yeah, i pressume we will lose allen. We actually might lose diouf aswell due to his massive wages, ireland could be class in the champ and is a way of the penny pinchers saving money if he played regular. Ps: Diouf played in norway?
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 11:26:38 GMT
With you on much of this assuming we can't convince Allen to stay but Jon has managed 3 games this season we have enough risk already for next season of players getting paid and not playing Diouf will be ok as back up in the Championship but we need someone who can actually finish, ignoring his time in Norway he is a 1 in 4 games man. I am an Ireland fan but with 1 appearance in 2 seasons and 31 in 4 four seasons is he worthy of the risk, as he is out of contract in the summer a pay as play contract may be a good option. Yeah, i pressume we will lose allen. We actually might lose diouf aswell due to his massive wages, ireland could be class in the champ and is a way of the penny pinchers saving money if he played regular. Ps: Diouf played in norway? Yes started his career in Noway played 3 seasons and scored around 40% of his career goals there. I think Diuof's massive wages as much as his inability to score regularly will be the reason he doesn't leave
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Post by maliciousdamage on Apr 11, 2018 11:28:33 GMT
The gaps will be filled by loanees journeyman and a handful of kiddies. Under self sufficiency we were one of the lowest spenders in the prem. There will be virtually nothing left after balancing the books and paying the wages of players who won't even start. Mind you if I was Coates I wouldn't trust a tenner to Lambert and our 'crack recruitment team. Get rid of those characters get a decent manager in with some serious european contacts and fund him to get us back where we were two years ago. You mean like Wolves did 👍🏻
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Post by samba :) on Apr 11, 2018 11:30:46 GMT
Yeah, i pressume we will lose allen. We actually might lose diouf aswell due to his massive wages, ireland could be class in the champ and is a way of the penny pinchers saving money if he played regular. Ps: Diouf played in norway? Yes started his career in Noway played 3 seasons and scored around 40% of his career goals there. I think Diuof's massive wages as much as his inability to score regularly will be the reason he doesn't leave i wonder if we have wage reduction clauses after relegation? We could be in wee financial trouble if not. We should ha e but it seems that the club were a bit deluded as to how good we were
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 11:31:29 GMT
Yeah, i pressume we will lose allen. We actually might lose diouf aswell due to his massive wages, ireland could be class in the champ and is a way of the penny pinchers saving money if he played regular. Ps: Diouf played in norway? Yes started his career in Noway played 3 seasons and scored around 40% of his career goals there. I think Diuof's massive wages as much as his inability to score regularly will be the reason he doesn't leave Not forgetting of course the 35 goals for Hannover in 71 appearances......
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 11:35:15 GMT
Yes started his career in Noway played 3 seasons and scored around 40% of his career goals there. I think Diuof's massive wages as much as his inability to score regularly will be the reason he doesn't leave Not forgetting of course the 35 goals for Hannover in 71 appearances...... Or his 12 in the last 90 appearances for us and yes he has played right back, wide right and everything else but he just isn't composed in front of goal, or anywhere else for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 11:37:21 GMT
Not forgetting of course the 35 goals for Hannover in 71 appearances...... Or his 12 in the last 90 appearances for us and yes he has played right back, wide right and everything else but he just isn't composed in front of goal, or anywhere else for that matter. The last time he played up front regularly he scored 11 in 34 and even then he spent some of the season out wide on the right. He has many faults but I remain absolutely convinced he plays 38 games a season up front he will score you 12/13 goals........
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 11:42:28 GMT
Or his 12 in the last 90 appearances for us and yes he has played right back, wide right and everything else but he just isn't composed in front of goal, or anywhere else for that matter. The last time he played up front regularly he scored 11 in 34 and even then he spent some of the season out wide on the right. He has many faults but I remain absolutely convinced he plays 38 games a season up front he will score you 12/13 goals........ I just don't see it, I applaud him for his energy and effort but the missed sitter and the failure to find any of our three unmarked players in the breakaway on Saturday sums him up for me. Yes on the odd occasion it will all come of as at Man C but he is just not the answer as a goal scorer and his link up play is equally poor, I think we will be stuck with him and he may play a useful role within the squad but to go with him as our number one striker is asking for trouble.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 11, 2018 11:45:39 GMT
Whoever goes, goes in my opinion. I won't be overly sad to see the back of any of em. I'm more concerned with who Carty will replace them with That's the major concern for me, if the board have any sense then Cartwright will have found himself out of a job at the end of the season but I can't see them taking this step, we should really have got rid of him already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:15:06 GMT
The last time he played up front regularly he scored 11 in 34 and even then he spent some of the season out wide on the right. He has many faults but I remain absolutely convinced he plays 38 games a season up front he will score you 12/13 goals........ I just don't see it, I applaud him for his energy and effort but the missed sitter and the failure to find any of our three unmarked players in the breakaway on Saturday sums him up for me. Yes on the odd occasion it will all come of as at Man C but he is just not the answer as a goal scorer and his link up play is equally poor, I think we will be stuck with him and he may play a useful role within the squad but to go with him as our number one striker is asking for trouble. You did see it though did you not? In 2014-15 when he had a 1 in 3 ratio despite not playing every game up front.....
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 12:26:23 GMT
I just don't see it, I applaud him for his energy and effort but the missed sitter and the failure to find any of our three unmarked players in the breakaway on Saturday sums him up for me. Yes on the odd occasion it will all come of as at Man C but he is just not the answer as a goal scorer and his link up play is equally poor, I think we will be stuck with him and he may play a useful role within the squad but to go with him as our number one striker is asking for trouble. You did see it though did you not? In 2014-15 when he had a 1 in 3 ratio despite not playing every game up front..... Whatever we saw then, whatever he had then has turned out to be a mirage he joins the ever growing list of attacking failures lined up, chased and obtained by Hughes.....Berahino, Joselu, Jese, Choupo-Mouting, Bony.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:35:09 GMT
You did see it though did you not? In 2014-15 when he had a 1 in 3 ratio despite not playing every game up front..... Whatever we saw then, whatever he had then has turned out to be a mirage he joins the ever growing list of attacking failures lined up, chased and obtained by Hughes.....Berahino, Joselu, Jese, Choupo-Mouting, Bony. Hang on though, in the blokes defence he's a centre forward who until 8/10 weeks ago hadn't played more than THREE games on the bounce up front since 2015. That's an absolute scandal, he's been a victim of his absolute willingness to put the team first by playing wide right and right back. He has many faults, but right up until the point he was shunted out wide by Hughes at the start of the 2015/16 season his career stats were 93 goals in 204 games......
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 11, 2018 12:59:23 GMT
Grant Bauer shawx indi pieters Ndiaye gcam Walters ireland sobhi Diouf Sign jon back up could do a well of a lot worse than signing Jon and Huth back up to replace Indi who I think will leave. This will get slated by the Oatcake We need to look forward, not backwards. Both were great servants, but they are approaching their mid-30s, have been pretty injury prone of late and their best days are most certainly behind them. Players of their ilk are needed, but ten years younger and coming into their prime.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Apr 11, 2018 14:16:11 GMT
Stoke didnt relegate yet, it is too early for that, they still can stay up.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 11, 2018 14:26:06 GMT
I think there are too many on here that seem to think the Championship is still a league full of cloggers, scrappers and brawlers.
Unlike us, most of the teams now try to play "proper" (hate that term) football involving passing, maintaining possession, pace,youth,counter attacks, high pressing etc. It's the main reason why a lot of clubs manage to stay up now, as there isn't as much of a culture shock in terms of footballing styles between the Champ and the Prem anymore.
Anyone thinking we need to sign a bulkload of ageing, battlers who can be physical bruisers (which apparently for some is synonymous with "pashun") and they're our best bet needs to realise it's not 2010 anymore and if we do that we'll end up in League 1 in no time...the league is nothing like it used to be last time we were there, largely because it's mostly made up of ex-Premiership sides.
I can't believe how many are complaining about our club not moving with the times, yet seem happy to turn us into a 2010-esque Championship side when the rest of that league HAVE moved with the times and progressed far beyond that.
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2018 14:49:22 GMT
Cartwright and scholes have to be top of the list. These are the problems to begin with. Out of touch. Totally agree. With those two gone and Lambert out of the door as well, a new manager needs to have complete control over transfers and contracts.
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Post by Davef on Apr 11, 2018 14:56:52 GMT
Cartwright and scholes have to be top of the list. These are the problems to begin with. Out of touch. Totally agree. With those two gone and Lambert out of the door as well, a new manager needs to have complete control over transfers and contracts. It's 2018, not 1974. That's never going to happen and it's pointless even calling for it to happen.
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Post by lordb on Apr 11, 2018 15:07:31 GMT
The last time he played up front regularly he scored 11 in 34 and even then he spent some of the season out wide on the right. He has many faults but I remain absolutely convinced he plays 38 games a season up front he will score you 12/13 goals........ I just don't see it, I applaud him for his energy and effort but the missed sitter and the failure to find any of our three unmarked players in the breakaway on Saturday sums him up for me. Yes on the odd occasion it will all come of as at Man C but he is just not the answer as a goal scorer and his link up play is equally poor, I think we will be stuck with him and he may play a useful role within the squad but to go with him as our number one striker is asking for trouble. You already have seen it! The one season he regularly played up front he scored a reasonable amount of goals. Factor in lesser opposition he would surely be OK/good as a striker at that level. If Cameron Jerome can score goals in that league then Diouf can.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2018 15:08:55 GMT
I just don't see it, I applaud him for his energy and effort but the missed sitter and the failure to find any of our three unmarked players in the breakaway on Saturday sums him up for me. Yes on the odd occasion it will all come of as at Man C but he is just not the answer as a goal scorer and his link up play is equally poor, I think we will be stuck with him and he may play a useful role within the squad but to go with him as our number one striker is asking for trouble. You already have seen it! The one season he regularly played up front he scored a reasonable amount of goals. Factor in lesser opposition he would surely be OK/good as a striker at that level. If Cameron Jerome can score goals in that league then Diouf can. As our number one striking option though?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 11, 2018 15:24:44 GMT
Rightfully so. Walters has been a crock for two seasons now. And is Huth still injured? Old, injury prone players are exactly what we don't need. We have to get away from that ilk of player. We have experienced heads that will stay, we don't need any more. We need pace, energy and fitness. We need to get with modern football tbh. This. There's plenty of young, hungry Championship players in the £10m bracket that could propel us straight back up if we keep a few of our better players alongside them . The likes of George Saville (Millwall), Joe Worrall (Nottm Forest), Joe Bryan (Bristol City), Ollie Watkins (Brentford) to name but a few...... Seriously, the amount of stoke fans who live in cuckoo land. We will likely be able to at best sign one 10m striker, we are not going to be overhauling the squad like this. We are literally going to have Grant Haugarrd Johnson Wimmer Pieters Cameron Adam Fletcher Ireland Diouf Imbula Bojan Berahinho Crouch Verlinden Ngoy Souttar Edwards Tymon and I'd suggest 4 or 5 new players max. A striker A CM A CH A utility man. and we won't be looking to spend 50m on the above!!! We are not in the premier league anymore and we have limited attraction to new players. We are not going to be able to get this bunch of wasters out of the club. What do you not understand about that. Everyone you want to build around will be looking to leave!!!!! it is going to take at least a couple of seasons to unravel this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 15:26:12 GMT
This. There's plenty of young, hungry Championship players in the £10m bracket that could propel us straight back up if we keep a few of our better players alongside them . The likes of George Saville (Millwall), Joe Worrall (Nottm Forest), Joe Bryan (Bristol City), Ollie Watkins (Brentford) to name but a few...... Seriously, the amount of stoke fans who live in cuckoo land. We will likely be able to at best sign one 10m striker, we are not going to be overhauling the squad like this. We are literally going to have Grant Johnson Wimmer Pieters Cameron Adam Fletcher Ireland Diouf Imbula Bojan Berahinho Crouch Verlinden Ngoy Souttar Edwards Tymon and I'd suggest 4 or 5 new players max. A striker A CM A CH A utility man. and we won't be looking to spend 50m on the above!!! Living in cloud cuckoo land how?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 15:38:23 GMT
This. There's plenty of young, hungry Championship players in the £10m bracket that could propel us straight back up if we keep a few of our better players alongside them . The likes of George Saville (Millwall), Joe Worrall (Nottm Forest), Joe Bryan (Bristol City), Ollie Watkins (Brentford) to name but a few...... Seriously, the amount of stoke fans who live in cuckoo land. We will likely be able to at best sign one 10m striker, we are not going to be overhauling the squad like this. We are literally going to have Grant Haugarrd Johnson Wimmer Pieters Cameron Adam Fletcher Ireland Diouf Imbula Bojan Berahinho Crouch Verlinden Ngoy Souttar Edwards Tymon and I'd suggest 4 or 5 new players max. A striker A CM A CH A utility man. and we won't be looking to spend 50m on the above!!! We are not in the premier league anymore and we have limited attraction to new players. We are not going to be able to get this bunch of wasters out of the club. What do you not understand about that. Everyone you want to build around will be looking to leave!!!!! it is going to take at least a couple of seasons to unravel this mess. Dont agree. You're passing this off as fact and you have no basis for that at all.
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