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Post by nott1 on Apr 9, 2018 10:34:47 GMT
The ONLY way i see us staying up now comes down to Swansea Everton this Saturday. If Swansea loose they are 5 points ahead with their next 2 being Man City and Chelsea. I can see a scenario where we have to win at Swansea on the last day to stay up. How else does everyone else see it ... IF the great escape is possible !? Hate to say it, but we're down and out with hardly a whimper!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 9, 2018 10:44:38 GMT
As hard as it is to see us actually getting another win, I was encouraged by Saturday's performance.
Most of my eggs are in the Huddersfield basket. It's all going to come down to those next 2 games for them. If they win one of them, things look very tricky - but that's not a given at all.
I hope it doesn't come down to GD, but they could get a few pastings to finish the season, and keeping the score down at Anfield could be the key...
Hudds Watford H 1-1 D Everton H 1-1 D Man Cty A 0-3 L Chelsea A 0-3 L Arsenal H 0-2 L
Pts 34 GD -36
Stoke W.Ham A 2-1 L Burnl H 1-0 W Lpool A 0-3 L C.Pal H 1-0 W Swans A 1-1 D
Pts 34 GD -35
Soton Chels H 0-1 L Leics A 1-1 D Bmuth H 1-0 W Evton A 0-1 L Swans A 1-1 D Man C H 0-3 L
Pts 33
Swans Evton H 1-1 D Man C A 0-3 L Chels H 0-2 L Bmuth A 1-0 L Soton H 1-1 D Stoke H 1-1 D
Pts 35
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 10:50:03 GMT
As hard as it is to see us actually getting another win, I was encouraged by Saturday's performance. Most of my eggs are in the Huddersfield basket. It's all going to come down to those next 2 games for them. If they win one of them, things look very tricky - but that's not a given at all. I hope it doesn't come down to GD, but they could get a few pastings to finish the season, and keeping the score down at Anfield could be the key... HuddsWatford H 1-1 D Everton H 1-1 D Man Cty A 0-3 L Chelsea A 0-3 L Arsenal H 0-2 L Pts 34 GD -36 Stoke W.Ham A 2-1 L Burnl H 1-0 W Lpool A 0-3 L C.Pal H 1-0 W Swans A 1-1 D Pts 34 GD -35 SotonChels H 0-1 L Leics A 1-1 D Bmuth H 1-0 W Evton A 0-1 L Swans A 1-1 D Man C H 0-3 L Pts 33 SwansEvton H 1-1 D Man C A 0-3 L Chels H 0-2 L Bmuth A 1-0 L Soton H 1-1 D Stoke H 1-1 D Pts 35 Very similar to what i said. A last day loss is level on points but IMO we go down due to getting a pasting at anfield
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Apr 9, 2018 10:54:30 GMT
As hard as it is to see us actually getting another win, I was encouraged by Saturday's performance. Most of my eggs are in the Huddersfield basket. It's all going to come down to those next 2 games for them. If they win one of them, things look very tricky - but that's not a given at all. I hope it doesn't come down to GD, but they could get a few pastings to finish the season, and keeping the score down at Anfield could be the key... HuddsWatford H 1-1 D Everton H 1-1 D Man Cty A 0-3 L Chelsea A 0-3 L Arsenal H 0-2 L Pts 34 GD -36 Stoke W.Ham A 2-1 L Burnl H 1-0 W Lpool A 0-3 L C.Pal H 1-0 W Swans A 1-1 D Pts 34 GD -35 SotonChels H 0-1 L Leics A 1-1 D Bmuth H 1-0 W Evton A 0-1 L Swans A 1-1 D Man C H 0-3 L Pts 33 SwansEvton H 1-1 D Man C A 0-3 L Chels H 0-2 L Bmuth A 1-0 L Soton H 1-1 D Stoke H 1-1 D Pts 35 Very similar to what i said. A last day loss is level on points but IMO we go down due to getting a pasting at anfield Our game is sandwiched between the two semi final games...we will not get a pasting. We could even get a point
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 9, 2018 10:55:57 GMT
As hard as it is to see us actually getting another win, I was encouraged by Saturday's performance. Most of my eggs are in the Huddersfield basket. It's all going to come down to those next 2 games for them. If they win one of them, things look very tricky - but that's not a given at all. I hope it doesn't come down to GD, but they could get a few pastings to finish the season, and keeping the score down at Anfield could be the key... HuddsWatford H 1-1 D Everton H 1-1 D Man Cty A 0-3 L Chelsea A 0-3 L Arsenal H 0-2 L Pts 34 GD -36 Stoke W.Ham A 2-1 L Burnl H 1-0 W Lpool A 0-3 L C.Pal H 1-0 W Swans A 1-1 D Pts 34 GD -35 SotonChels H 0-1 L Leics A 1-1 D Bmuth H 1-0 W Evton A 0-1 L Swans A 1-1 D Man C H 0-3 L Pts 33 SwansEvton H 1-1 D Man C A 0-3 L Chels H 0-2 L Bmuth A 1-0 L Soton H 1-1 D Stoke H 1-1 D Pts 35 Very similar to what i said. A last day loss is level on points but IMO we go down due to getting a pasting at anfield We're going down due to us getting a pasting at plenty of places, not just Anfield.
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 10:56:09 GMT
Very similar to what i said. A last day loss is level on points but IMO we go down due to getting a pasting at anfield Our game is sandwiched between the two semi final games...we will not get a pasting. We could even get a point There reserve team would beat our first team.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 9, 2018 10:57:59 GMT
Down before the Swansea game, so it’s a dead duck for me...!!!!!! Yeah, my feelings entirely. I think we'll be gone before then.... and rightly so, we've been poor this season. The bigger worries are that we simply won't be coming back up. It doesn't work like that. The Championship is a tough league, I can see us being midtable at best. The better players will leave, and the younger talented players will want to move on. This relegation will be an utter disaster. Thx Pete, Thx Tony, Thx Mark, Thx Other Mark.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Apr 9, 2018 10:59:48 GMT
Our game is sandwiched between the two semi final games...we will not get a pasting. We could even get a point There reserve team would beat our first team. Their reserve team struggled against us in November. Only really kicked on when they made the double sub on 70minutes
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 9, 2018 10:59:52 GMT
After this season my quota of blind optimism is severely depleted. A meagre one win this year is still affecting my judgment I guess.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 9, 2018 11:09:47 GMT
Can we avoid relegation ?
No way !
Why ?
Have you watched the match vs Spurs last saturday ?
Any team unable to score from a 5 vs 1 counterattack situation (not even create a goal scoring opportunity, let alone score !!) has no chance in hell to conjure a great escape !!
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Post by elystokie on Apr 9, 2018 11:12:40 GMT
At least the welsh clueless twat got us some top half finishes. If your hero had of been capable of doing that there would have been no need to have dispensed with him. On the back of what Pulis had achieved before him. Mark Hughes didn’t work any major magic act at Stoke, the hard work was all done for him. The first season under him, the team were still fit, we didn’t get injuries, once he’d been here a couple of seasons, that all began to ebb. Mark Hughes is a massive cunt, and the warning signs that the management team/hierarchy had took their eye off the ball was evident as early as the build up to the 2016-2017 season. Just my thoughts 👍🏼 Yes, any success MH had was purely down to what was left by Toxic, that wonderful team spirit where the players weren't vandalising each other's cars and the manager wasn't head butting players in the showers. And as for that wonderful team he left behind at the Baggies... You seriously need to have a word with yourself.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 9, 2018 11:14:25 GMT
Can we avoid relegation ? No way ! Why ? Have you watched the match vs Spurs last saturday ? Any team unable to score from a 5 vs 1 counterattack situation (not even create a goal scoring opportunity, let alone score !!) has no chance in hell to conjure a great escape !! That Diouf fuck up really summed him up. A player so horribly short on confidence that he wasn't willing to shoot, and so short on actual talent that he couldn't find a single player. We're shit. and we know we are.
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 11:21:12 GMT
At least the welsh clueless twat got us some top half finishes. If your hero had of been capable of doing that there would have been no need to have dispensed with him. On the back of what Pulis had achieved before him. Mark Hughes didn’t work any major magic act at Stoke, the hard work was all done for him. The first season under him, the team were still fit, we didn’t get injuries, once he’d been here a couple of seasons, that all began to ebb. Mark Hughes is a massive cunt, and the warning signs that the management team/hierarchy had took their eye off the ball was evident as early as the build up to the 2016-2017 season. Just my thoughts 👍🏼 Couldn't agree more, absolutely spot on. Everything was in place for him, we had a good balance throughout, great team spirit. Pride & Passion. Mark Hughes has proven not just with ourselves, but at QPR he is an absolute fraud. Even at Fulham his tactics were so bad the players ignored him and played their own game.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 9, 2018 11:23:40 GMT
There reserve team would beat our first team. Their reserve team struggled against us in November. Only really kicked on when they made the double sub on 70minutes But that game is just one in a long line of examples of why I think we will go down. As well as being shit for long periods of the season we've also been very, very unlucky. In that game Twatkinson should have sent Mignolet off at 0-0. That then would have severely hampered Klippety's substitutions. One would have been a replacement goalie for a start. So the double substitution which you rightly say killed us probably wouldn't have happened and Salah may not even have got on the pitch. Who knows but the shitty end of the stick was once again thrust right up our hooters. It's been the same in countless games. Incompetent officials, bad luck and yes embarrassingly shit play by our players have all combined in a clusterfuck of a season. So to answer the OP's question. Yes of course it's possible but it's highly improbable.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 9, 2018 11:27:00 GMT
Can we stop the blind optimism posts after we lose to West Ham next Monday?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 9, 2018 11:27:02 GMT
Why do this to yourself? Were gone and have been for a while Might just as well ask yourself why support Stoke at all. If you’re afraid of having your hopes dashed, isn’t ManC a better fit? I support them because they are my team. no matter the division
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2018 11:28:02 GMT
If we don't beat West Ham on Monday, we're humped. Arnie, will score at least twice, we're down. If I had a $ for every time someone says “ this is a must win game” ....... I’d be able to buy SCFC! Depending on other results we may need as little as six or 7 points. If we lose to WHU, it does not help any of our rivals and it is just as, if not more possible to pick up 7 points from Palace, Swansea and Burnley as it is to include West Ham. Hope we get at least a point, but not disaster if we don’t.
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 11:28:06 GMT
Can we stop the blind optimism posts after we lose to West Ham next Monday? I still have that little bit of hope mate being honest, its slim but still chance. The second arnie scores i will of give up 100%.
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 11:29:00 GMT
If we don't beat West Ham on Monday, we're humped. Arnie, will score at least twice, we're down. Hope we get at least a point, but not disaster if we don’t. You're right it wouldn't be a disaster, it would mean relegation.
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 9, 2018 11:33:48 GMT
After this season my quota of blind optimism is severely depleted. A meagre one win this year is still affecting my judgment I guess. Awww come on - it's only April!
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2018 11:36:55 GMT
Can we stop the blind optimism posts after we lose to West Ham next Monday? Why? According to my calculations there will stil be 12 points to play for. I think you are confusing “blind optimism “ with “refusal to give up”. Throughout history there are many examples of someone being on the brink of defeat(or victory) only for the situation to be “miraculously” pulled out of the fire. Truth of the matter is, if they had given up, like you, there would have been no “miracle”.
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Post by skip on Apr 9, 2018 11:37:03 GMT
Can we avoid relegation ? No way ! Why ? Have you watched the match vs Spurs last saturday ? Any team unable to score from a 5 vs 1 counterattack situation (not even create a goal scoring opportunity, let alone score !!) has no chance in hell to conjure a great escape !! That Diouf fuck up really summed him up. A player so horribly short on confidence that he wasn't willing to shoot, and so short on actual talent that he couldn't find a single player. We're shit. and we know we are. It's almost like the polar opposite of the Route One Worldy scored by Crouch.
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Post by nik80 on Apr 9, 2018 11:37:06 GMT
On the back of what Pulis had achieved before him. Mark Hughes didn’t work any major magic act at Stoke, the hard work was all done for him. The first season under him, the team were still fit, we didn’t get injuries, once he’d been here a couple of seasons, that all began to ebb. Mark Hughes is a massive cunt, and the warning signs that the management team/hierarchy had took their eye off the ball was evident as early as the build up to the 2016-2017 season. Just my thoughts 👍🏼 Yes, any success MH had was purely down to what was left by Toxic, that wonderful team spirit where the players weren't vandalising each other's cars and the manager wasn't head butting players in the showers. And as for that wonderful team he left behind at the Baggies... You seriously need to have a word with yourself. You think what you like. The team Pulis left was a shambles and had been for some time but I maintain that overall fitness levels, along with general discipline of the squad ebbed away under Mark Hughes. The first season Hughes had us, we didn’t get injuries, I don’t believe that’s a coincidence, as people have suggested, I think that’s a lasting legacy of the previous management team training methods. Second season, and there on in, under Hughes, we were blighted with injuries, across the pitch and that didn’t change, right till he was fucked off and I think that’s because, he and his team didn’t command the work levels required of a Premier League team. Now that’s just my opinion, and that’s that. Reality is however, that, that can’t be proven, and I’m not saying I pine for Pulis’ return or that there weren’t exciting times under Hughes either. It doesn’t change the circumstances we find ourselves in now either way. One last thing I will say is this, if we’d have kept Pulis when he was sacked, I don’t think we’d have been relegated the following season, we might not have had the two ninth spot finishes, we had under Hughes but who knows? I am convinced however, that if we’d have ended this season with Mark Hughes in charge, we’d definitely be down and I blame him in part, for the fact that we probably are down anyway. I lay no blame with Lambert for this fuck up.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2018 11:38:27 GMT
After this season my quota of blind optimism is severely depleted. A meagre one win this year is still affecting my judgment I guess. Awww come on - it's only April! Like your avatar. That would make a great chant!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 9, 2018 11:39:24 GMT
I think we're down but the performance on Saturday was certainly encouraging.
It's a big if but IF we somehow manage to beat West Ham then it really gets interesting. We certainly need to get at least 3 points from the West Ham or Burnley games to have any chance, I'm hoping we could follow up 3 points from those two games with a win over Palace and see where we are from there.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 9, 2018 11:52:06 GMT
In answer to the OP yes, it is of course possible and I'd bare my arse in Bratt & Dykes window if it happened.......but, is it likely? - all the indicators are no - since Hughes fucked off we do look better but a deadly combination of bad luck, shit refs & impotency / fuckwitery in front of goal & elsewhere has cost us dear - it's agony and I totally get where folk are coming from - we all want the same thing, and fading hope is all we have now......BUT is was all avoidable......ARGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 12:08:14 GMT
More chance of Berahino scoring 10 goals in our remaining games. It ain't going to happen.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 9, 2018 12:11:13 GMT
That Diouf fuck up really summed him up. A player so horribly short on confidence that he wasn't willing to shoot, and so short on actual talent that he couldn't find a single player. We're shit. and we know we are. It's almost like the polar opposite of the Route One Worldy scored by Crouch. That feels like an eternity ago now. It will probably be an eternity before we play Man City again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:19:10 GMT
We look a much better side recently but we still don't look like scoring goals, we're finished, hopeful for a bounce back with our defence though.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 9, 2018 13:33:30 GMT
We won't stay up - 6 wins all season, 1 win in the last 10 games and our survival will probably depend on us winning 3 out of the remaining 5 games including Liverpool away ! PL has got us fitter, more organised defensively, and playing more as a team but we still can't score enough to win games. I can't see any way that we will avoid the drop. Agreed. The sad thing is I really believe just the addition of one decent striker in January and we wouldn't be where we are.
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