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Post by thebet365 on Mar 28, 2018 15:05:23 GMT
Sorry but I couldn’t disagree more. The squad was weak to start with and has got worse as the season has progressed. Ironically the only aspect of it that had any sort of strength was the defence but injuries and Hughes’ tactical genius even managed to turn that into a dogs dinner. This is a shambles that has been long in the making and to expect an instantaneous turn around with the quality of player we have was, I’m afraid, wishful thinking. Which is why if Lambert was worth his wages, should've moved heaven and earth in January to persuade the board to go out and spend money on a centre forward and another winger / attacking midfielder. He didn't, because he doesn't want to upset the apple cart that had so kindly plucked him out of the wilderness. It fucking stinks from top to bottom and we the fans are the ones that have to suffer. The board have well and truly fucked it, just like they did 20 years ago. The parallels with 97/98 are uncanny and worst of all COULD ALL HAVE BEEN AVOIDED if it wasn't for our arrogant, fucking tight as fuck board burying their bastard heads in the sand thinking everything would be ok. Who are these strikers and wingers that are available that would have kept us up? We were in a relegation battle so it would have taken serious money to talk any decent striker into coming to us. Has anyone that moved in the January window done anything of note ? We were fairly fucked already in January. You've only got to look at our Previous January signings Berahino & Imbula to show how you can waste your money. They should have spent more last summer to prevent this but I don't blame them for not signing anyone in Januaury, it's a market for the desperate that usually waste their last pennies risking the long term of the club. Now if we go down and we aren't 1 of if not the highest spenders in the championship then I'll be calling for the board to sell up.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Mar 28, 2018 15:08:44 GMT
"but we will go their (sic) to win, which is the way I approach every game" That's not gone well then... 'Their' (sic) It really is a clusterfuck at all levels isn't it. Our SPAG is as good as our morale/defence/attack it would seem
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2018 15:08:48 GMT
Which is why if Lambert was worth his wages, should've moved heaven and earth in January to persuade the board to go out and spend money on a centre forward and another winger / attacking midfielder. He didn't, because he doesn't want to upset the apple cart that had so kindly plucked him out of the wilderness. It fucking stinks from top to bottom and we the fans are the ones that have to suffer. The board have well and truly fucked it, just like they did 20 years ago. The parallels with 97/98 are uncanny and worst of all COULD ALL HAVE BEEN AVOIDED if it wasn't for our arrogant, fucking tight as fuck board burying their bastard heads in the sand thinking everything would be ok. Who are these strikers and wingers that are available that would have kept us up? We were in a relegation battle so it would have taken serious money to talk any decent striker into coming to us. Has anyone that moved in the January window done anything of note ? We were fairly fucked already in January. You've only got to look at our Previous January signings Berahino & Imbula to show how you can waste your money. They should have spent more last summer to prevent this but I don't blame them for not signing anyone in Januaury, it's a market for the desperate that usually waste their last pennies risking the long term of the club. Now if we go down and we aren't 1 of if not the highest spenders in the championship then I'll be calling for the board to sell up. Other clubs in a similar situation signed forwards in the January window !
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Post by potterblade on Mar 28, 2018 15:09:58 GMT
Sorry but I couldn’t disagree more. The squad was weak to start with and has got worse as the season has progressed. Ironically the only aspect of it that had any sort of strength was the defence but injuries and Hughes’ tactical genius even managed to turn that into a dogs dinner. This is a shambles that has been long in the making and to expect an instantaneous turn around with the quality of player we have was, I’m afraid, wishful thinking. I don't disagree with any of that. But it's still not a relegation squad, especially with the plethora of dross in the division this year. Are you seriously telling me that the performances against Southampton, Bournemouth, Everton, Watford etc were the pinnacle of what our players are capable of? Taking Hughes last game as a benchmark, and bearing in mind our trajectory was downwards, they were good results.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:12:23 GMT
"but we will go their (sic) to win, which is the way I approach every game" That's not gone well then... I think he's referring to every game PRIOR to becoming our manager 😂
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Post by theplantpotter on Mar 28, 2018 15:12:34 GMT
Apparently Hughes wants Shawcross at the end of season.
Shall we just give him the whole bloody team.
Bloody vulture, feeding on the corpse he created.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 28, 2018 15:16:05 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. As I've said before.... If we end up getting relegated "BOTH" Hughes and Lambert will have played their part, they've both had half a season each!!! Lambert's had enough time and winnable games to get us out of this mess!!! How can that be right? Hughes was playing with a hand of cards entirely of his own selection over a period of 4 years. Lambert was merely picking up the tatty dog eared collection Hughes left on the table after he had been given the heave ho. Ok Lamberts not managed to achieve much but this is 99.9% Hughes’ fault.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 28, 2018 15:28:49 GMT
Who are these strikers and wingers that are available that would have kept us up? We were in a relegation battle so it would have taken serious money to talk any decent striker into coming to us. Has anyone that moved in the January window done anything of note ? We were fairly fucked already in January. You've only got to look at our Previous January signings Berahino & Imbula to show how you can waste your money. They should have spent more last summer to prevent this but I don't blame them for not signing anyone in Januaury, it's a market for the desperate that usually waste their last pennies risking the long term of the club. Now if we go down and we aren't 1 of if not the highest spenders in the championship then I'll be calling for the board to sell up. Other clubs in a similar situation signed forwards in the January window ! Correct - Newcastle signed Slimani who hasn't played yet Southampton signed Carillo no goals in 8 appearances Swansea signed Andre Ayew no goals in 4 appearances WBA signed Sturridge, Oh dear The only striker that's done anything is Tosun at Everton and that's thanks to us mainly.
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Post by Davef on Mar 28, 2018 15:28:54 GMT
Apparently Hughes wants Shawcross at the end of season. Shall we just give him the whole bloody team. Bloody vulture, feeding on the corpse he created. Is this the same Mark Hughes who only has a contract at Southampton until the end of the season?
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Post by thegift on Mar 28, 2018 15:43:52 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. He's claimed to have impressed the board in his interview with his knowledge of the squad and our weaknesses and knew how to improve us. He then failed to convince the board to sign any attacking players in the January transfer window leaving us with Crouch, Diouf & Berahino to choose from up front whilst relying on Choupo, Jese & Ramadan to provide a creative assistance to Shaq. He's a fucking yes man who is just happy to be given another job at this level and wont ruffle any feather at board level. The board bottled it big time with his appointment because any decent manager would've demanded big money to be spent on the attacking side of this squad. Absolutely spot on.
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2018 16:00:05 GMT
Not in any way comparing his managerial talents versus TP or MH but I do find his press conferences nothing short of excruciating. I simply can't watch them, he keeps interrupting the questions by making strange noises and then completely misunderstand what he is asked. I don't meant he misunderstands in a way a politician might who would prefer to answer another question instead, I mean he just either doesn't hear or understand the questions asked. It makes for agonising viewing. Say what you like about TP and MH, but I genuinely enjoyed their 'prezzers', TP's folksy wisdom and South Wales 'burr' made for excellent viewing and I enjoyed Sparky's dry wit and occasional swagger. I mean if by some miracle he keeps us up he should be given the freedom of the town but I won't be tuning in to PL's press conferences again any time soon, they are just a nonsense
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Post by thegift on Mar 28, 2018 16:04:58 GMT
Not in any way comparing his managerial talents versus TP or MH but I do find his press conferences nothing short of excruciating. I simply can't watch them, he keeps interrupting the questions by making strange noises and then completely misunderstand what he is asked. I don't meant he misunderstands in a way a politician might who would prefer to answer another question instead, I mean he just either doesn't hear or understand the questions asked. It makes for agonising viewing. Say what you like about TP and MH, but I genuinely enjoyed their 'prezzers', TP's folksy wisdom and South Wales 'burr' made for excellent viewing and I enjoyed Sparky's dry wit and occasional swagger. But PL, it's just a nonsense Please gods, you enjoyed Mark Hughes' same old spout of shite week in week out. He was as dull as dishwasher
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2018 16:15:38 GMT
Not in any way comparing his managerial talents versus TP or MH but I do find his press conferences nothing short of excruciating. I simply can't watch them, he keeps interrupting the questions by making strange noises and then completely misunderstand what he is asked. I don't meant he misunderstands in a way a politician might who would prefer to answer another question instead, I mean he just either doesn't hear or understand the questions asked. It makes for agonising viewing. Say what you like about TP and MH, but I genuinely enjoyed their 'prezzers', TP's folksy wisdom and South Wales 'burr' made for excellent viewing and I enjoyed Sparky's dry wit and occasional swagger. But PL, it's just a nonsense Please gods, you enjoyed Mark Hughes' same old spout of shite week in week out. He was as dull as dishwasher I grant you there were no great fireworks but he had a dry sense of humour, understood and addressed the questions put to him and championed the club and his players. I'm not trying to justify what went wrong with the squad building but I found his press conferences eminently watchable. They were at least a coherent discourse between intelligent adults! PL's are simply unwatchable, have you really tried sitting through one and making sense of what is being said, its just more mental pain than living should allow!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 28, 2018 16:38:44 GMT
As I've said before.... If we end up getting relegated "BOTH" Hughes and Lambert will have played their part, they've both had half a season each!!! Lambert's had enough time and winnable games to get us out of this mess!!! How can that be right? Hughes was playing with a hand of cards entirely of his own selection over a period of 4 years. Lambert was merely picking up the tatty dog eared collection Hughes left on the table after he had been given the heave ho. Ok Lamberts not managed to achieve much but this is 99.9% Hughes’ fault. Sorry, but I can't see it that way myself!!! Swansea were rock bottom when Clement was in charge....since Carlos Carvalhal has taken over, he's dragged them off the bottom and out of the bottom three, with some cracking results along the way!!! Hodgson dragged Palace out of the bottom three when they hadn't even won a game for the first so many games.....BOTH look more capable of avoiding the drop now more than Stoke!!! For me, all the board have done with Hughes and Lambert is swap like for like, and if we go down, then Lambert is equally to blame!!! Hughes may have created the shit, but Lambert doesn't have what it takes to get us out, therefore he's equally to blame!!! However....majority of the blame lies entirely at the feet of those at the top, it should NEVER have been allowed to get this bad in the first place!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2018 16:55:35 GMT
How can that be right? Hughes was playing with a hand of cards entirely of his own selection over a period of 4 years. Lambert was merely picking up the tatty dog eared collection Hughes left on the table after he had been given the heave ho. Ok Lamberts not managed to achieve much but this is 99.9% Hughes’ fault. Sorry, but I can't see it that way myself!!! Swansea were rock bottom when Clement was in charge....since Carlos Carvalhal has taken over, he's dragged them off the bottom and out of the bottom three, with some cracking results along the way!!! Hodgson dragged Palace out of the bottom three when they hadn't even won a game for the first so many games.....BOTH look more capable of avoiding the drop now more than Stoke!!! For me, all the board have done with Hughes and Lambert is swap like for like, and if we go down, then Lambert is equally to blame!!! Lambert will cop for some of the blame and maybe there were far more talented options around who could have made a silk purse out of Cartwright's ear but this relegation is squarely on Hughes. Even bearing mind all the contributing factors around ambition, due diligence on signings and all the other utter shit that surrounds the club at present, the squad that Hughes put together this season was so bad it was beyond all comprehension. That coupled with his Liberty Hall approach to discipline and training and its clear he was simply going through the motions and collecting his pay cheque in the end. Knowing that the distant memory of three 9th placed finishes would secure his seat on the next Premier League Gravy train out of the station. He deserved the credit in the bank he got but fuck me in the end he made use of every penny and was trading on fresh air in the end. In my mind this will never be recalled as the season Paul Lambert took us down or Peter Coates it will be the season that a negligent Mark Hughes did.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2018 16:59:36 GMT
I don't disagree with any of that. But it's still not a relegation squad, especially with the plethora of dross in the division this year. Are you seriously telling me that the performances against Southampton, Bournemouth, Everton, Watford etc were the pinnacle of what our players are capable of? Taking Hughes last game as a benchmark, and bearing in mind our trajectory was downwards, they were good results. Losing against Bournemouth and Everton (and two goalless draws) were good results? I agree with the general sentiment that LMH left us in a right state, but Lambert has made a frankly pitiful effort of rectifying things.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Mar 28, 2018 17:00:06 GMT
Who are we replacing him with to stand that chance? Nello with the Hippo as his no 2? Even better, the hippo with Nello as the number 2. At least we then have a viable reason that our manager is incompetent.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 28, 2018 17:02:56 GMT
Not in any way comparing his managerial talents versus TP or MH but I do find his press conferences nothing short of excruciating. I simply can't watch them, he keeps interrupting the questions by making strange noises and then completely misunderstand what he is asked. I don't meant he misunderstands in a way a politician might who would prefer to answer another question instead, I mean he just either doesn't hear or understand the questions asked. It makes for agonising viewing. Say what you like about TP and MH, but I genuinely enjoyed their 'prezzers', TP's folksy wisdom and South Wales 'burr' made for excellent viewing and I enjoyed Sparky's dry wit and occasional swagger. I mean if by some miracle he keeps us up he should be given the freedom of the town but I won't be tuning in to PL's press conferences again any time soon, they are just a nonsense Must be in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. Frankly I found Hughes to be a boring old fart.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Mar 28, 2018 17:03:55 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. He's claimed to have impressed the board in his interview with his knowledge of the squad and our weaknesses and knew how to improve us. He then failed to convince the board to sign any attacking players in the January transfer window leaving us with Crouch, Diouf & Berahino to choose from up front whilst relying on Choupo, Jese & Ramadan to provide a creative assistance to Shaq. He's a fucking yes man who is just happy to be given another job at this level and wont ruffle any feather at board level. The board bottled it big time with his appointment because any decent manager would've demanded big money to be spent on the attacking side of this squad. I remember reading just after QSF rejected the job that it was because we refused to sign one of Leo Baptistao or Gerard Moreno from Espanyol now and the other in the summer.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 28, 2018 17:05:53 GMT
Sorry, but I can't see it that way myself!!! Swansea were rock bottom when Clement was in charge....since Carlos Carvalhal has taken over, he's dragged them off the bottom and out of the bottom three, with some cracking results along the way!!! Hodgson dragged Palace out of the bottom three when they hadn't even won a game for the first so many games.....BOTH look more capable of avoiding the drop now more than Stoke!!! For me, all the board have done with Hughes and Lambert is swap like for like, and if we go down, then Lambert is equally to blame!!! Lambert will cop for some of the blame and maybe there were far more talented options around who could have made a silk purse out of Cartwright's ear but this relegation is squarely on Hughes. Even bearing mind all the contributing factors around ambition, due diligence on signings and all the other utter shit that surrounds the club at present, the squad that Hughes put together this season was so bad it was beyond all comprehension. That coupled with his Liberty Hall approach to discipline and training and its clear he was simply going through the motions and collecting his pay cheque in the end. Knowing that the distant memory of three 9th placed finishes would secure his seat on the next Premier League Gravy train out of the station. He deserved the credit in the bank he got but fuck me in the end he made use of every penny and was trading on fresh air in the end. In my mind this will never be recalled as the season Paul Lambert took us down or Peter Coates it will be the season that a negligent Mark Hughes did. We all see things different sheik.... For me it won't be the season Mark Hughes took us down....it'll be more of a collective view, a season of total monumental fuck ups....and Lambert has to share some of that responsibility!!! This is not a vendetta against Lambert, I wanted him to succeed as much as the next man, but he's failed to deliver on some much needed winnable games!!!
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Post by wuzza on Mar 28, 2018 17:12:45 GMT
How can that be right? Hughes was playing with a hand of cards entirely of his own selection over a period of 4 years. Lambert was merely picking up the tatty dog eared collection Hughes left on the table after he had been given the heave ho. Ok Lamberts not managed to achieve much but this is 99.9% Hughes’ fault. Sorry, but I can't see it that way myself!!! Swansea were rock bottom when Clement was in charge....since Carlos Carvalhal has taken over, he's dragged them off the bottom and out of the bottom three, with some cracking results along the way!!! Hodgson dragged Palace out of the bottom three when they hadn't even won a game for the first so many games.....BOTH look more capable of avoiding the drop now more than Stoke!!! For me, all the board have done with Hughes and Lambert is swap like for like, and if we go down, then Lambert is equally to blame!!! Hughes may have created the shit, but Lambert doesn't have what it takes to get us out, therefore he's equally to blame!!! However....majority of the blame lies entirely at the feet of those at the top, it should NEVER have been allowed to get this bad in the first place!!! I’m not saying Lambert is a genius or anything like but perhaps both the managers you refer to were left with more to work with than he was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. He lost me forever when he picked Adam in a game which was critical to us. Anyone who would risk "the certain red" in a game like that must be mental.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 28, 2018 17:43:01 GMT
Bad luck- the last refuge of a fucking idiot.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 28, 2018 17:46:11 GMT
People bemoaned Hughes press conferences. This guy literally repeats himself verbatum week to week.
You could literally copy and paste all that shit and save us and him the trouble of attending.
The sooner he fucks off the better. He talks a shit game and he delivers an even worse one.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 28, 2018 17:51:07 GMT
Every single week it's exactly the same nondescript nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:51:40 GMT
We needed a top class manager able to cope with the Prem and international players but instead we got a Scottish bloke dunking biccys.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 28, 2018 17:58:09 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. Excellent post The 12th man is needed more than ever for the remaining games Get behind the manager
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Post by thevoid on Mar 28, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
Fail to understand the amount of flak Lambert is getting for trying to make the best out of a situation not of his making. Ok you might disagree with a few player selections but there really isn’t a lot to choose from and nothing that would really have made any significant difference to our fate. We are copping the consequences for long term mismanagement and the best we can do is to get behind the current bloke and see if some totally bizarre set of occurances result in us surviving relegation. Further assessment / recriminations might aswell wait until our destination is confirmed. Excellent post The 12th man is needed more than ever for the remaining games Get behind the manager A dull, mediocre manager and tactical dinosaur who no-one wanted? The figurehead for a failing regime? I'll pass, thanks.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 28, 2018 18:05:13 GMT
We needed a top class manager able to cope with the Prem and international players but instead we got a Scottish bloke dunking biccys. Such as .. ??
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 28, 2018 18:06:50 GMT
We needed a top class manager able to cope with the Prem and international players but instead we got a Scottish bloke dunking biccys. Such as .. ?? Rafa
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