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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 12:42:59 GMT
As emphasised by Irelands performance at Old Trafford. If only Paul Lambert had been there to see it  I would of thought he would of seen it, he just chose to ignore it. Him and ireland have previous. Yeah, at least a manager like Pulis doesn't bear grudges with players. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 12:46:05 GMT
Bauer, shawcross, BMI, Allen and badou for me. The rest I cannot stand in truth. Butland, I believe is a decent character and good bloke so it is harsh to exclude him simply because he's not in the best of form but we all know he'll be off at the first opportunity and that makes it harder to warm to him during his struggles Assuming Allen goes if we get relegated, Dave, and given we won't spend a fortune, do you see any way Bojan and Imbula may come back to bulk up the squad and give us options? I assume Wimmer will stay to give us that third centre back option but will we buy Staffy to properly challenge or replace your mate, Erik? How do you see the squad shaping up if we go down? |
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Post by thegift on Mar 21, 2018 12:51:23 GMT
I would of thought he would of seen it, he just chose to ignore it. Him and ireland have previous. Yeah, at least a manager like Pulis doesn't bear grudges with players. Whats Pulis got to do with this? Doing pretty well at Boro' aint he |
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Post by RAF on Mar 21, 2018 12:57:55 GMT
Yeah, at least a manager like Pulis doesn't bear grudges with players. Whats Pulis got to do with this? Doing pretty well at Boro' aint he Gary Monks legacy. H |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 12:58:22 GMT
Yeah, at least a manager like Pulis doesn't bear grudges with players. Whats Pulis got to do with this? Doing pretty well at Boro' aint he All managers are guilty of having blind spots where certain players are concerned, Gifty. Hughes did this, Lambert obviously is doing it with Ireland and Saint Tony was a master of it. What he's doing at M'boro has nothing to do with the point I was attempting to make. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 21, 2018 13:27:58 GMT
Yes we have some good players,but they wont be here next seadon.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 21, 2018 13:34:21 GMT
we have been in the prem for 10 years now pick your best 11 for their performances for Stoke at their best over any period of time how many would get in ? here is my stab 1 Jack 2 Bauer 3 Pieters 4 Allen 5 Shawcross / Faye 6 Huth 7 Shaq 8 Nzonzi 9 Walters 10 Fuller 11 Arnie done How did I forget Nozonzi amended |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 21, 2018 13:54:31 GMT
If we had a 28-year-old Ricardo Fuller on top and Arnie on the right we would have had a very good team when all had been fit! .....................Butland....................... Bauer.......Shawcross.......Indi...........Staffy .....................Cameron...................... ..........Allen.................Badou............ Shaqiri.............. Fuller................. ArnieOh, how I wish .................. There’s no question we are poorer for the loss of Arni. Fuller on the other hand I am not so sure. He’s from a different era and the standard of the PL is much higher than it was 10 years ago. Everyone has to improve just tread water - unfortunately we haven’t and we are sinking fast. |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 21, 2018 13:57:48 GMT
Bauer, shawcross, BMI, Allen and badou for me. The rest I cannot stand in truth. Butland, I believe is a decent character and good bloke so it is harsh to exclude him simply because he's not in the best of form but we all know he'll be off at the first opportunity and that makes it harder to warm to him during his struggles Assuming Allen goes if we get relegated, Dave, and given we won't spend a fortune, do you see any way Bojan and Imbula may come back to bulk up the squad and give us options? I assume Wimmer will stay to give us that third centre back option but will we buy Staffy to properly challenge or replace your mate, Erik? How do you see the squad shaping up if we go down? Bojan is finished unfortunately and would be too light-weight for the rough and tumble of the Championship anyway. Imbula isn’t strong enough mentally for the top flight because he thinks he’s better than he is and too good for Stoke. He would be a disaster in that league as well. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 21, 2018 14:08:27 GMT
Whats Pulis got to do with this? Doing pretty well at Boro' aint he All managers are guilty of having blind spots where certain players are concerned, Gifty. Hughes did this, Lambert obviously is doing it with Ireland and Saint Tony was a master of it. What he's doing at M'boro has nothing to do with the point I was attempting to make. Saint Tony never got us relegated |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 21, 2018 14:22:22 GMT
Bauer, shawcross, BMI, Allen and badou for me. The rest I cannot stand in truth. Butland, I believe is a decent character and good bloke so it is harsh to exclude him simply because he's not in the best of form but we all know he'll be off at the first opportunity and that makes it harder to warm to him during his struggles Assuming Allen goes if we get relegated, Dave, and given we won't spend a fortune, do you see any way Bojan and Imbula may come back to bulk up the squad and give us options? I assume Wimmer will stay to give us that third centre back option but will we buy Staffy to properly challenge or replace your mate, Erik? How do you see the squad shaping up if we go down? Surely Bojan would come back into the fold and you would hope that he could sprinkle that touch of magic dust on a team at that level. No-one else seemingly wants him and despite being completely overlooked at Alaves, as much as you can tell, he seems to be working and training really hard to stay in the frame as much as possible. Imbula, I think, is a lost cause. He would have to operate in the heartbeat of the team in the rough and tumble of the Championship and there is no way he could handle that. Erik is no longer my mate. I'm desperately disappointed in his behaviour last week but would really like to know if he was to be playing on Saturday. My deep routed suspicion is that he wasn't, hence he was out. It just seems so out of character for a player who has been nothing but exemplary in his efforts and application since he joined us 4-5 years ago. If we go down, I really have no idea how the squad would shape up. My guess is that Butland, Shaqiri and Allen will leave almost instantly and then it is a case of will stalwarts be prepared to stick around? Grant should be able to do us a perfectly good job at the top end of the championship, particularly when you see who is in goal for Wolves, Cardiff, Derby and Villa at the top end of this years championship. Bauer is good enough and should form a solid defensive base with Shawcross, BMI and Pieters. Badou I really like. Would he stay? Who could we get to partner him? Diouf should score goals in the Championship and I presume he would stay. Ramadan should be able to cause opposition full-backs problems with his trickery were he to stay. The big challenge is going to be right across the midfield isn't it but that is where we need to be competitive. It's a crucial area of the team, the heartbeat of a side and its where we are weakest. Can we get a Rory/Whelan type combination that would serve us so well at that level? If we go down, and I think we will, I wouldn't really expect anything beyond a campaign of mid-table obscurity with fleeting glimpses towards the play-offs when we win the odd back to back fixture. I can't see beyond that really as things stand. |
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 21, 2018 14:40:52 GMT
The championship requires a top goal scorer to score the required goals to turn potential draws into wins. We don't have one..If we were to unearth one and find Badou and solid no nonsense partner in the engine room & let Bojan sprinkle his gold dust,we might just be in business. Could we push the boat and get Helder Costa to replace Shaq?
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Post by thegift on Mar 21, 2018 14:46:08 GMT
The championship requires a top goal scorer to score the required goals to turn potential draws into wins. We don't have one..If we were to unearth one and find Badou and solid no nonsense partner in the engine room & let Bojan sprinkle his gold dust,we might just be in business. Could we push the boat and get Helder Costa to replace Shaq? No because why would he come from the premier league back down to the championship |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 14:51:56 GMT
All managers are guilty of having blind spots where certain players are concerned, Gifty. Hughes did this, Lambert obviously is doing it with Ireland and Saint Tony was a master of it. What he's doing at M'boro has nothing to do with the point I was attempting to make. Saint Tony never got us relegated Hughes won't have got us relegated either Gifty if we do go down, and he'll always be able to point to that on his CV. If we do get relegated, I pray that Saints do too. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 21, 2018 14:54:54 GMT
I do hope we wouldn't be pinning out hopes of scoring goals on Diouf, Berahino and Crouch next season.
I think Pieters will be gone, he's got no interest in playing in the championship and will be off to China or America, its all about the money with him.
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Post by thegift on Mar 21, 2018 15:07:32 GMT
Saint Tony never got us relegated Hughes won't have got us relegated either Gifty if we do go down, and he'll always be able to point to that on his CV. If we do get relegated, I pray that Saints do too. He has got us relegated, Jimmy. Lambert hasn't improved the cause but is not to blame. If someone is involved in a murder case,but picks up the victim, supplies the weapon and watches it happen, hes still going down for murder, isn't he? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 21, 2018 15:11:06 GMT
If we had a 28-year-old Ricardo Fuller on top and Arnie on the right we would have had a very good team when all had been fit! .....................Butland....................... Bauer.......Shawcross.......Indi...........Staffy .....................Cameron...................... ..........Allen.................Badou............ Shaqiri.............. Fuller................. ArnieOh, how I wish .................. There’s no question we are poorer for the loss of Arni. Fuller on the other hand I am not so sure. He’s from a different era and the standard of the PL is much higher than it was 10 years ago. Everyone has to improve just tread water - unfortunately we haven’t and we are sinking fast. I think the Ric we had in his first seasons for us with pace, power and skills on the ball would have been perfect for us now!  |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 15:13:29 GMT
Assuming Allen goes if we get relegated, Dave, and given we won't spend a fortune, do you see any way Bojan and Imbula may come back to bulk up the squad and give us options? I assume Wimmer will stay to give us that third centre back option but will we buy Staffy to properly challenge or replace your mate, Erik? How do you see the squad shaping up if we go down? Surely Bojan would come back into the fold and you would hope that he could sprinkle that touch of magic dust on a team at that level. No-one else seemingly wants him and despite being completely overlooked at Alaves, as much as you can tell, he seems to be working and training really hard to stay in the frame as much as possible. Imbula, I think, is a lost cause. He would have to operate in the heartbeat of the team in the rough and tumble of the Championship and there is no way he could handle that. Erik is no longer my mate. I'm desperately disappointed in his behaviour last week but would really like to know if he was to be playing on Saturday. My deep routed suspicion is that he wasn't, hence he was out. It just seems so out of character for a player who has been nothing but exemplary in his efforts and application since he joined us 4-5 years ago. If we go down, I really have no idea how the squad would shape up. My guess is that Butland, Shaqiri and Allen will leave almost instantly and then it is a case of will stalwarts be prepared to stick around? Grant should be able to do us a perfectly good job at the top end of the championship, particularly when you see who is in goal for Wolves, Cardiff, Derby and Villa at the top end of this years championship. Bauer is good enough and should form a solid defensive base with Shawcross, BMI and Pieters. Badou I really like. Would he stay? Who could we get to partner him? Diouf should score goals in the Championship and I presume he would stay. Ramadan should be able to cause opposition full-backs problems with his trickery were he to stay. The big challenge is going to be right across the midfield isn't it but that is where we need to be competitive. It's a crucial area of the team, the heartbeat of a side and its where we are weakest. Can we get a Rory/Whelan type combination that would serve us so well at that level? If we go down, and I think we will, I wouldn't really expect anything beyond a campaign of mid-table obscurity with fleeting glimpses towards the play-offs when we win the odd back to back fixture. I can't see beyond that really as things stand. Dave, I've completely missed what Erik did! Do tell. If we loan out Imbula again then his wages can be spent on perhaps another winger on loan. We need to sign a midfield partner for Badou and probably an extra midfielder on top as I certainly don't expect Adam or Ireland to be with us. I'd want Crouchy to leave with our best wishes if possible but that would mean signing another striker (New Striker, Diouf, Bojan, N'Goy and Campbell?). We'll effectively be wingerless too, even if Ramadan stays as he's not the pace merchant we need, albeit he may come good in a Jack Grealish type role eventually, but I have my doubts. Maybe we'll have a chance with Staffy as he doesn't seem to be a first team choice in Germany, but if Bristol City don't make it up I'd go for their lad straight away, although he may get a chance with a Prem team. I'm trying to be positive as much as I can and would hope and expect to be at least challenging for the Play-Offs. Why not? |
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Post by thegift on Mar 21, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
Surely Bojan would come back into the fold and you would hope that he could sprinkle that touch of magic dust on a team at that level. No-one else seemingly wants him and despite being completely overlooked at Alaves, as much as you can tell, he seems to be working and training really hard to stay in the frame as much as possible. Imbula, I think, is a lost cause. He would have to operate in the heartbeat of the team in the rough and tumble of the Championship and there is no way he could handle that. Erik is no longer my mate. I'm desperately disappointed in his behaviour last week but would really like to know if he was to be playing on Saturday. My deep routed suspicion is that he wasn't, hence he was out. It just seems so out of character for a player who has been nothing but exemplary in his efforts and application since he joined us 4-5 years ago. If we go down, I really have no idea how the squad would shape up. My guess is that Butland, Shaqiri and Allen will leave almost instantly and then it is a case of will stalwarts be prepared to stick around? Grant should be able to do us a perfectly good job at the top end of the championship, particularly when you see who is in goal for Wolves, Cardiff, Derby and Villa at the top end of this years championship. Bauer is good enough and should form a solid defensive base with Shawcross, BMI and Pieters. Badou I really like. Would he stay? Who could we get to partner him? Diouf should score goals in the Championship and I presume he would stay. Ramadan should be able to cause opposition full-backs problems with his trickery were he to stay. The big challenge is going to be right across the midfield isn't it but that is where we need to be competitive. It's a crucial area of the team, the heartbeat of a side and its where we are weakest. Can we get a Rory/Whelan type combination that would serve us so well at that level? If we go down, and I think we will, I wouldn't really expect anything beyond a campaign of mid-table obscurity with fleeting glimpses towards the play-offs when we win the odd back to back fixture. I can't see beyond that really as things stand. Dave, I've completely missed what Erik did! Do tell. If we loan out Imbula again then his wages can be spent on perhaps another winger on loan. We need to sign a midfield partner for Badou and probably an extra midfielder on top as I certainly don't expect Adam or Ireland to be with us. I'd want Crouchy to leave with our best wishes if possible but that would mean signing another striker (New Striker, Diouf, Bojan, N'Goy and Campbell?). We'll effectively be wingerless too, even if Ramadan stays as he's not the pace merchant we need, albeit he may come good in a Jack Grealish type role eventually, but I have my doubts. Maybe we'll have a chance with Staffy as he doesn't seem to be a first team choice in Germany, but if Bristol City don't make it up I'd go for their lad straight away, although he may get a chance with a Prem team. I'm trying to be positive as much as I can and would hope and expect to be at least challenging for the Play-Offs. Why not? Went out to a bar/club with his wife Friday night before the Saturday game |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 15:18:02 GMT
Hughes won't have got us relegated either Gifty if we do go down, and he'll always be able to point to that on his CV. If we do get relegated, I pray that Saints do too. He has got us relegated, Jimmy. Lambert hasn't improved the cause but is not to blame. If someone is involved in a murder case,but picks up the victim, supplies the weapon and watches it happen, hes still going down for murder, isn't he? I think Hughes would do his best to plead insanity son. He'll convince himself that had he stayed we would have stayed up and no-one can prove him wrong. I felt ill watching him celebrate that Cup win and would probably have a fit if he keeps them up and gets to the Cup Final. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 21, 2018 15:19:39 GMT
Dave, I've completely missed what Erik did! Do tell. If we loan out Imbula again then his wages can be spent on perhaps another winger on loan. We need to sign a midfield partner for Badou and probably an extra midfielder on top as I certainly don't expect Adam or Ireland to be with us. I'd want Crouchy to leave with our best wishes if possible but that would mean signing another striker (New Striker, Diouf, Bojan, N'Goy and Campbell?). We'll effectively be wingerless too, even if Ramadan stays as he's not the pace merchant we need, albeit he may come good in a Jack Grealish type role eventually, but I have my doubts. Maybe we'll have a chance with Staffy as he doesn't seem to be a first team choice in Germany, but if Bristol City don't make it up I'd go for their lad straight away, although he may get a chance with a Prem team. I'm trying to be positive as much as I can and would hope and expect to be at least challenging for the Play-Offs. Why not? Went out to a bar/club with his wife Friday night before the Saturday game Missed that completely. With his wife I'd be staying home under the duvet. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 21, 2018 15:20:17 GMT
Dave, I've completely missed what Erik did! Do tell. If we loan out Imbula again then his wages can be spent on perhaps another winger on loan. We need to sign a midfield partner for Badou and probably an extra midfielder on top as I certainly don't expect Adam or Ireland to be with us. I'd want Crouchy to leave with our best wishes if possible but that would mean signing another striker (New Striker, Diouf, Bojan, N'Goy and Campbell?). We'll effectively be wingerless too, even if Ramadan stays as he's not the pace merchant we need, albeit he may come good in a Jack Grealish type role eventually, but I have my doubts. Maybe we'll have a chance with Staffy as he doesn't seem to be a first team choice in Germany, but if Bristol City don't make it up I'd go for their lad straight away, although he may get a chance with a Prem team. I'm trying to be positive as much as I can and would hope and expect to be at least challenging for the Play-Offs. Why not? Went out to a bar/club with his wife Friday night before the Saturday game When the club has a clear policy of not allowing players to enter an establishment where alcohol is served 48 hours before a game. |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 21, 2018 15:42:28 GMT
Not many, let's be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 15:48:39 GMT
Assuming Allen goes if we get relegated, Dave, and given we won't spend a fortune, do you see any way Bojan and Imbula may come back to bulk up the squad and give us options? I assume Wimmer will stay to give us that third centre back option but will we buy Staffy to properly challenge or replace your mate, Erik? How do you see the squad shaping up if we go down? Bojan is finished unfortunately and would be too light-weight for the rough and tumble of the Championship anyway. Imbula isn’t strong enough mentally for the top flight because he thinks he’s better than he is and too good for Stoke. He would be a disaster in that league as well. They're both on lengthy contracts and not a lot of clubs have come in for them, just loans. No clubs have appeared that would be willing to pay even relatively small fees for them. So Lambert is going to have to work with them next season, and they're going to have to adapt to the league they're in. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 21, 2018 17:44:37 GMT
If we had a 28-year-old Ricardo Fuller on top and Arnie on the right we would have had a very good team when all had been fit! .....................Butland....................... Bauer.......Shawcross.......Indi...........Staffy .....................Cameron...................... ..........Allen.................Badou............ Shaqiri.............. Fuller................. ArnieOh, how I wish .................. There’s no question we are poorer for the loss of Arni. Fuller on the other hand I am not so sure. He’s from a different era and the standard of the PL is much higher than it was 10 years ago. Everyone has to improve just tread water - unfortunately we haven’t and we are sinking fast. The standard of the prem is not higher. Glenn Murray was not fit to lace Ricardo's boots. If we'd had Ricardo Fuller this season we would be comfortable in mid table |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 21, 2018 17:47:37 GMT
Hughes won't have got us relegated either Gifty if we do go down, and he'll always be able to point to that on his CV. If we do get relegated, I pray that Saints do too. He has got us relegated, Jimmy. Lambert hasn't improved the cause but is not to blame. If someone is involved in a murder case,but picks up the victim, supplies the weapon and watches it happen, hes still going down for murder, isn't he? Thick as shit. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 21, 2018 18:49:09 GMT
Unfit for purpose :
Berahino
Wimmer
Fletcher
Thegift 🤡....... Without the letter F.
Jese
Johnson
Imbula
Adam
Fit for purpose :
Butland
Shawcross
Indi
Shaq
Allen
Ramadan
If fully fit...
Ireland
Afellay
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Post by bp333 on Mar 21, 2018 19:09:11 GMT
Its important to retain as many of the squad as possible if we get relegated. Teams that go for lots of changes tend to be struggling to keep out of the relegation zone again. those that retain approx 80% of the squad struggle until Xmas then move up into the play offs. With the parachute payments it's vital to be back within 1 or 2 seasons or the financial constraints restrict all areas of squad, (ability to retain, recruit, pay, etc, etc)
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Post by bp333 on Mar 21, 2018 19:12:24 GMT
We should also be looking who we can snap up from other teams relegated and/or failed promotion candidates. Mainly fighters as the championship is not as fancy as the Premier. A change from flair to fight is unfortunately a by product of relegation
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Post by thevoid on Mar 21, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
The question is rather contentious and rather like asking "Do have have any supporters who have any worth?" If I was a player such as Choupo, Jese , Berahino, Fletcher, Indi and others and I visited this site I do not feel that I would be motivated to give an inch for the club. Personally As disappointed and as angry as I feel I still believe that we can achieve the points to avoid relegation because we have the players who can do the necessary. I no longer have much faith in Lambert. On Saturday he gave an opportunity to Everton on a plate and it was a wasted chance to grab three points. Do I choose a player who has played well but may be tired or do I choose players like Johnson who are not match fit. Lambert is supposedly not selecting Berahino because of his match fitness and yet he selects Adam, Crouch and Johnson. Lambert made a massive mistake last Saturday. I believe if we had had five defenders against Man City they would not have scored! I think that if we select Zouma, Shawcross and Indi and use Bauer and Stafylidis as wing backs that we can keep clean sheets and that always will raise spirits. I believe that our midfield three of Allen Cameron and NDiaye is good. Shaqiri can certainly be a match winner. Selecting a goal scorer is always going to be the biggest gamble. Our choices arevery limited with the squad we have. Personally I do not want to see Crouch playing except in the last ten minutes. I do not believe Jese is going to be the answer either. I think that although Choup certainly has his critics he has scored needed goals. I would start with Choupo and get Berahino and Campbell making last thirty minute appearances between them. Those players are paid a handsome salary by the club. The chances are they won't even look at this forum anyway- Berahindrance would be too busy drilling some tattoo-covered sloshpot anyway. |
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