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Post by Pugsley on Mar 18, 2018 19:09:37 GMT
The Coates family has an estimated net worth of c£5bn with PC about £1bn personally. We were listed as 4th of the top 15 wealthiest club owners with only Arsenal, Chelsea and Citeh above us (interestingly Wolves are 5th) - bottom line for me is that Coates has never been able to break out of the little old Stoke mentality and has never been prepared to fullly commit to what it takes to establish us as a permanent feature of the PL - and of course that is his / their prerogative. The failure to commit properly and conducting business in an oddly piecemeal manner and / or on the cheap has now been found out and we may never see another chance any time soon. A great shame...... Neither has most of the fanbase.
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Post by thegift on Mar 18, 2018 19:14:47 GMT
The cunt needs to come out and say it like it is. I'll have a lot more respect for him if he does. I can't imagine that Mark Hughes could give a shit whether you respect him or not. He would if i saw him in person clem
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Post by vahl on Mar 18, 2018 19:16:07 GMT
The Coates family has an estimated net worth of c£5bn with PC about £1bn personally. We were listed as 4th of the top 15 wealthiest club owners with only Arsenal, Chelsea and Citeh above us (interestingly Wolves are 5th) - bottom line for me is that Coates has never been able to break out of the little old Stoke mentality and has never been prepared to fullly commit to what it takes to establish us as a permanent feature of the PL - and of course that is his / their prerogative. The failure to commit properly and conducting business in an oddly piecemeal manner and / or on the cheap has now been found out and we may never see another chance any time soon. A great shame...... Hard to disagree with lots of that. Coates did invest to get us up in the first place but has undeniably gone on the relatively cheap in the last few years. Fifth lowest net spenders aren't we? Parachute payments may help for the next two years, especially if we offload some of the high earners, Butland, Shaq, Allen, Shawcross all likely to go, but if we're really going down the self sustaining route, we'll be championship mediocrity for some time. I find this way of thinking a bit harsh myself. Even if stats show us to be lower net spenders than the rest, we have spent significant amounts of money since our promotion. I personally think it has been more a case of: "Here's what the family is spending this year, here's your bank account, now go and do what we pay you for" Except those in that position have got it horribly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 19:20:46 GMT
I can't imagine that Mark Hughes could give a shit whether you respect him or not. He would if i saw him in person clem
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 18, 2018 19:21:33 GMT
I’m not remotely ITK but have heard a story about our recruitment strategy under Hughes from a reliable source who knows the player involved that I think is pretty telling. This summer us and another Premier League team were seriously in for the same player, who is someone IMO would have seriously improved our team this season. Hughes plus others in the Stoke hierarchy (don’t know precisely who) met him and his agent at a hotel and made a take it or leave it contract offer and said there was no chance of negotiation. But the player also wasn’t impressed with Hughes who apparently largely just went on and on about his own playing career and how he had transformed the reputation of Stoke. In contrast, the other club rolled out the red carpet and did everything they could to convince him to pick them and he’d be an important part of their plans - they flew the player out to the manager’s villa overseas and the club’s owners even went to his house to meet him and his girlfriend and convince him to sign. Guess who he picked. Can’t speak for other situations (think it is pretty common knowledge we were in for Soares, Redmond and Lemina who all ended up choosing Soton) but seems pretty clear to me that while Hughes wasn’t free of blame himself, he was hamstrung by our wage structure and recruitment tactics to a fair extent. Who’s the player then? I would assume Lemina but you reference him further down.
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Post by blooter on Mar 18, 2018 20:45:33 GMT
You just know that you've come up with a load of crap right there. Take it or leave it, it’s what I was told. Really don’t have that level of imagination or the time or inclination to make it up. I'll leave it thanks.
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Post by mikej on Mar 18, 2018 21:52:51 GMT
I don't get this, "Stoke haven't spent money on players". We have, but it has been the wrong ones; Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino.. As well as loaning players like Bony and Jese. We have also kept bringing players of the same type, usually attacking MFs, and not addressing the squad deficiencies, Hughes correctly addressed the deficient FB positions he inherited, but then neglected the positions for the rest of his tenure, barring Tymon. It hasn't been that money has not been spent, it's been spent foolishly. Hughes says he coveted many Southampton players, which as ...mark says sums up his judgement when you see Southampton's record. The problem Stoke is always up against is players like Redmond, Tadic, and Lemina will chose more attractive clubs like Southampton, West Ham, Palace, Leicester, and Newcastle before they will go to the likes of Stoke, Burnley, West Brom, Huddersfield, and Swansea. Although nowadays even a massive club like Newcastle is struggling to attract players. Hughes is simply trying to boost morale of the players and ingratiate them and the fans. Don’t get why Southampton and Palace are more attractive options than Stoke and West Brom? Yes, location-wise, Southampton are on the south coast and Palace are in London. So I get that they are more “glamorous” purely on that basis. But gone are the days when Stoke players were limited to living round here. These days, they can afford to live in the same leafy Cheshire towns as the players from the Manchester and Liverpool clubs. (I’m leaving Leicester out of the equation as they’ve recently won the league, Newcastle as they are undoubtedly a bigger club than us and West Ham as they ... er won the World Cup in 66, play at the interestingly named “London Stadium” and are more ambitious than us (©️ some Austrian bloke 😄))
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 18, 2018 21:58:10 GMT
Hughes cant say too much because of contract pay offs. theres a lot more wrong at Stoke than Hughes or Lambert. The top man has relegated us. Whats his opinion?
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 18, 2018 22:48:30 GMT
The thing about all of this is that if Hughes isn't responsible for buying the players, or for identifying the players, and he's only at the training ground a couple of days a week, and he doesn't like dealing individually with players, and he doesn't really do much in the way of motivation, what does he actually do? Pick a team of players and tell them to go out and play well? Something doesn't add up, somewhere.
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Post by poethebald on Mar 18, 2018 23:37:29 GMT
It's very simple,for those of us who have witnessed the previous reign of the Coates family.They are business people and the bottom line is profit.No way on this earth would they entertain operating at a loss.They will always balance the books in their favour even to the detriment of the club.Some may say that you can't blame them...however there running of the club reminds me of an old adage.A man purchased a donkey(not Imbula et al) the donkey worked hard, but the man felt that the donkey was costing him to much in food, so he reduced the donkeys food, but expected the donkey to do the same amount of work.The donkey carried on working hard...but the man wanted more profit so the man reduced his food again.The donkey continued to work hard but the man wanted even more profit...so he stopped feeding the donkey all together....the donkey died along with the man's profit and business.Sadly,this appears comparable to Stokes business model in the Premier League.
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Post by westgatelakes on Mar 19, 2018 12:56:52 GMT
I haven't read anything like you Victoria but if Southampton stay up, I would take odds on Hughes being appointed long term and buying Allen & Shaqiri from us in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 13:10:09 GMT
I haven't read anything like you Victoria but if Southampton stay up, I would take odds on Hughes being appointed long term and buying Allen & Shaqiri from us in the summer. I agree
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