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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 18, 2018 15:35:20 GMT
It’s just media drivel to make him sound like he knows the squad, similar to what Lambert did here, it’s a redundant point, he could say half of the Barcelona squad were targets for us in his time here, he’s just pandering to a new fan base. Except the evidence is he did at least two Were inthe building but we failed to get either despite one living in the midlands and his best mate is here . Self sufficiency strikes again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 15:37:28 GMT
It’s just media drivel to make him sound like he knows the squad, similar to what Lambert did here, it’s a redundant point, he could say half of the Barcelona squad were targets for us in his time here, he’s just pandering to a new fan base. Except the evidence is he did at least two Were inthe building but we failed to get either despite one living in the midlands and his best mate is here . Self sufficiency strikes again He spent 26M on defenders (both that play in the very same position) and left us with the worst goal difference in the league, a goal difference that amongst other things will see us down.
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Post by alster on Mar 18, 2018 15:37:29 GMT
He says almost half the team at Saints had been targeted to sign for Stoke but he could not quite get them over the line. What stopped him? I reckon Coates and the signing on cronies made the decision on money. We have had 10yrs piling up loads of cash and Coates has spent some but none out of his vast fortune. He should have seen for years we needed a decent forward line but decided 'charity shop' players would suffice, well it's come back and bitten his arse, with empty corners and gates of 15k next season. Tell us about Peter Coates' "vast fortune" - bearing in mind he only owns 10% of bet365. That makes his vast fortune one of the lowest of any owner of a Premier League club. And, of course, owning a business (or part of a business) doesn't mean you can "spend" the value of that business. You can sell the business (or your share of that business) or you can spend the income you take from that business and Peter Coates' income from his share of bet365 will amount to a few £million per annum at most - enough to pay the wages of Berahino perhaps. More than you or I could fork out - but hardly a vast fortune methinks. If that’s the case he needs to go have a word with a solicitor. He owns just short of 10% of the shares which should entitle him to just short of 10% of the share dividend which was £150 odd million for bet365 last year. That’s apart from an executive salary, if he was on 10% of what Denise payed herself that could be another £20M.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 18, 2018 15:37:47 GMT
We'll be rotting in the Championship while this cunt will most likely be in the Premier League, that's what stings. The only crumb of comfort I have is he'll get them relegated at some point in the near future.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 18, 2018 15:40:39 GMT
And ours are entirely due to Lesley mark Hughes being out of his depth. Sorry Old Crappy Boy but that's bollocks. There was a lot more wrong at this club than just Mark Hughes. Yes he lost the plot and yes he should have been sacked earlier but six top ten finishes with small clubs in the PL proves that he is not out of his depth at this level. "Yes he lost the plot" the past is the past the present says he is incompetent at this level he has proved that over the past two seasons without a shadow of doubt.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 18, 2018 15:43:31 GMT
We'll be rotting in the Championship while this cunt will most likely be in the Premier League, that's what stings. The only crumb of comfort I have is he'll get them relegated at some point in the near future. He doesn't do relegation cause he gets the fucking sack before he sinks the ship, he's a fraud and a slimy vagina.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 18, 2018 15:45:18 GMT
Sorry Old Crappy Boy but that's bollocks. There was a lot more wrong at this club than just Mark Hughes. Yes he lost the plot and yes he should have been sacked earlier but six top ten finishes with small clubs in the PL proves that he is not out of his depth at this level. "Yes he lost the plot" the past is the past the present says he is incompetent at this level he has proved that over the past two seasons without a shadow of doubt. Don’t forget his three 9th places.😉..........LOL!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 18, 2018 15:47:52 GMT
"Yes he lost the plot" the past is the past the present says he is incompetent at this level he has proved that over the past two seasons without a shadow of doubt. Don’t forget his three 9th places.😉..........LOL! Clearly ! how could I forget it's not like it isn't mentioned every day by the ostrich herd on here.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 18, 2018 15:51:15 GMT
"Yes he lost the plot" the past is the past the present says he is incompetent at this level he has proved that over the past two seasons without a shadow of doubt. Don’t forget his three 9th places.😉..........LOL! Three 9th places don't paint a whole picture.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 18, 2018 15:52:56 GMT
Except the evidence is he did at least two Were inthe building but we failed to get either despite one living in the midlands and his best mate is here . Self sufficiency strikes again He spent 26M on defenders (both that play in the very same position) and left us with the worst goal difference in the league, a goal difference that amongst other things will see us down. Actually I think most would agree we needed two centre halves so I don’t see that as an issue , Wimmer of course but we have history way beforehand his time of being shafted by Spurs so I’d be looking st that relationship ,who has it , who talks to the agents , we’d be better looking into that the Eric Pieters dining arrangements on a Thursday night im not saying he hadn’t lost the way here but he’s not a poor manager so the envoromnemt. Created it , good mangers wouldn’t come and a second tier dinosaur ( we couldn’t. Even attract a first tier one ) did surely that tells you something , the overriding view In the game isn’t he is well out of it and they can’t all be wrong
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 18, 2018 15:53:05 GMT
Don’t forget his three 9th places.😉..........LOL! Three 9th places don't paint a whole picture. True!......I’m just stating a fact 😉
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 18, 2018 15:55:17 GMT
I reckon stoke will still get 24 to 28 this comming year Next year if no playoffs 22 to 25 Third year if no positives 18 to 22 If no positives after that the jcl will all fuck off and they will be down to the 15 to 20 based on success but it will take 4byears to get to this point Apart from the top figure it’s hard to disagree with that mate I just don't get the disdain for newer fans. New fans should be welcomed on board, most of these people calling out JCL this and that would probably be chuffed to make a taxi driver a stoke fan on holiday or whatever. Its good young lads are getting into Stoke and if took promotion to get there so be it
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 18, 2018 16:15:17 GMT
Southampton are a well known stepping stone to a big team. Stoke aren’t.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 16:17:07 GMT
He says almost half the team at Saints had been targeted to sign for Stoke but he could not quite get them over the line. What stopped him? I reckon Coates and the signing on cronies made the decision on money. We have had 10yrs piling up loads of cash and Coates has spent some but none out of his vast fortune. He should have seen for years we needed a decent forward line but decided 'charity shop' players would suffice, well it's come back and bitten his arse, with empty corners and gates of 15k next season. Tell us about Peter Coates' "vast fortune" - bearing in mind he only owns 10% of bet365. That makes his vast fortune one of the lowest of any owner of a Premier League club. And, of course, owning a business (or part of a business) doesn't mean you can "spend" the value of that business. You can sell the business (or your share of that business) or you can spend the income you take from that business and Peter Coates' income from his share of bet365 will amount to a few £million per annum at most - enough to pay the wages of Berahino perhaps. More than you or I could fork out - but hardly a vast fortune methinks. We are not owned by PC though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 16:17:08 GMT
He spent 26M on defenders (both that play in the very same position) and left us with the worst goal difference in the league, a goal difference that amongst other things will see us down. Actually I think most would agree we needed two centre halves so I don’t see that as an issue , Wimmer of course but we have history way beforehand his time of being shafted by Spurs so I’d be looking st that relationship ,who has it , who talks to the agents , we’d be better looking into that the Eric Pieters dining arrangements on a Thursday night im not saying he hadn’t lost the way here but he’s not a poor manager so the envoromnemt. Created it , good mangers wouldn’t come and a second tier dinosaur ( we couldn’t. Even attract a first tier one ) did surely that tells you something , the overriding view In the game isn’t he is well out of it and they can’t all be wrong No offence Benji but I don't know where to start with that one mate.
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 18, 2018 16:20:13 GMT
I’m not remotely ITK but have heard a story about our recruitment strategy under Hughes from a reliable source who knows the player involved that I think is pretty telling.
This summer us and another Premier League team were seriously in for the same player, who is someone IMO would have seriously improved our team this season.
Hughes plus others in the Stoke hierarchy (don’t know precisely who) met him and his agent at a hotel and made a take it or leave it contract offer and said there was no chance of negotiation. But the player also wasn’t impressed with Hughes who apparently largely just went on and on about his own playing career and how he had transformed the reputation of Stoke.
In contrast, the other club rolled out the red carpet and did everything they could to convince him to pick them and he’d be an important part of their plans - they flew the player out to the manager’s villa overseas and the club’s owners even went to his house to meet him and his girlfriend and convince him to sign.
Guess who he picked.
Can’t speak for other situations (think it is pretty common knowledge we were in for Soares, Redmond and Lemina who all ended up choosing Soton) but seems pretty clear to me that while Hughes wasn’t free of blame himself, he was hamstrung by our wage structure and recruitment tactics to a fair extent.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 18, 2018 16:22:19 GMT
Managers these days in the driving seat at this time of the season. He looked at the assets of Soton and took the job on that basis plus a big fat cheque.
End of term I expect them to come and get Bauer for sure.
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Post by hoppy5869 on Mar 18, 2018 16:22:22 GMT
Did these players sign for Southampton because mark Hughes was our manager though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2018 17:11:32 GMT
Tell us about Peter Coates' "vast fortune" - bearing in mind he only owns 10% of bet365. That makes his vast fortune one of the lowest of any owner of a Premier League club. And, of course, owning a business (or part of a business) doesn't mean you can "spend" the value of that business. You can sell the business (or your share of that business) or you can spend the income you take from that business and Peter Coates' income from his share of bet365 will amount to a few £million per annum at most - enough to pay the wages of Berahino perhaps. More than you or I could fork out - but hardly a vast fortune methinks. If that’s the case he needs to go have a word with a solicitor. He owns just short of 10% of the shares which should entitle him to just short of 10% of the share dividend which was £150 odd million for bet365 last year. That’s apart from an executive salary, if he was on 10% of what Denise payed herself that could be another £20M. He wouldn't get an executive salary, I would have thought as he is only a non executive director of the bet365 board. John and Denise certainly are - and I am not sure if there are any others. I bow to your knowledge of the latest bet365 dividend. That would give him a dividend of £15 million - the wages of Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2018 17:14:32 GMT
Tell us about Peter Coates' "vast fortune" - bearing in mind he only owns 10% of bet365. That makes his vast fortune one of the lowest of any owner of a Premier League club. And, of course, owning a business (or part of a business) doesn't mean you can "spend" the value of that business. You can sell the business (or your share of that business) or you can spend the income you take from that business and Peter Coates' income from his share of bet365 will amount to a few £million per annum at most - enough to pay the wages of Berahino perhaps. More than you or I could fork out - but hardly a vast fortune methinks. We are not owned by PC though. True - we are owned by bet365 and PC is only chairman of the club board. So I don't really see why he would spend his "vast fortune" on the club - even if he had a vast fortune - which he doesn't. It just confirms that the post I was replying to was a bit daft.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 18, 2018 17:19:51 GMT
We'll be rotting in the Championship while this cunt will most likely be in the Premier League, that's what stings. The only crumb of comfort I have is he'll get them relegated at some point in the near future. Don't worry, Gen, he will get paid off before that and the next team can then fool themselves with the never been relegated tag until he works his magic there.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 18, 2018 17:35:09 GMT
The Coates family has an estimated net worth of c£5bn with PC about £1bn personally. We were listed as 4th of the top 15 wealthiest club owners with only Arsenal, Chelsea and Citeh above us (interestingly Wolves are 5th) - bottom line for me is that Coates has never been able to break out of the little old Stoke mentality and has never been prepared to fullly commit to what it takes to establish us as a permanent feature of the PL - and of course that is his / their prerogative.
The failure to commit properly and conducting business in an oddly piecemeal manner and / or on the cheap has now been found out and we may never see another chance any time soon.
A great shame......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 17:38:29 GMT
The cunt needs to come out and say it like it is. I'll have a lot more respect for him if he does. I can't imagine that Mark Hughes could give a shit whether you respect him or not.
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Post by chrisparker on Mar 18, 2018 17:41:44 GMT
I’m not remotely ITK but have heard a story about our recruitment strategy under Hughes from a reliable source who knows the player involved that I think is pretty telling. This summer us and another Premier League team were seriously in for the same player, who is someone IMO would have seriously improved our team this season. Hughes plus others in the Stoke hierarchy (don’t know precisely who) met him and his agent at a hotel and made a take it or leave it contract offer and said there was no chance of negotiation. But the player also wasn’t impressed with Hughes who apparently largely just went on and on about his own playing career and how he had transformed the reputation of Stoke. In contrast, the other club rolled out the red carpet and did everything they could to convince him to pick them and he’d be an important part of their plans - they flew the player out to the manager’s villa overseas and the club’s owners even went to his house to meet him and his girlfriend and convince him to sign. Guess who he picked. Can’t speak for other situations (think it is pretty common knowledge we were in for Soares, Redmond and Lemina who all ended up choosing Soton) but seems pretty clear to me that while Hughes wasn’t free of blame himself, he was hamstrung by our wage structure and recruitment tactics to a fair extent. You just know that you've come up with a load of crap right there.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 18, 2018 17:44:23 GMT
I’m not remotely ITK but have heard a story about our recruitment strategy under Hughes from a reliable source who knows the player involved that I think is pretty telling. This summer us and another Premier League team were seriously in for the same player, who is someone IMO would have seriously improved our team this season. Hughes plus others in the Stoke hierarchy (don’t know precisely who) met him and his agent at a hotel and made a take it or leave it contract offer and said there was no chance of negotiation. But the player also wasn’t impressed with Hughes who apparently largely just went on and on about his own playing career and how he had transformed the reputation of Stoke. In contrast, the other club rolled out the red carpet and did everything they could to convince him to pick them and he’d be an important part of their plans - they flew the player out to the manager’s villa overseas and the club’s owners even went to his house to meet him and his girlfriend and convince him to sign. Guess who he picked. Can’t speak for other situations (think it is pretty common knowledge we were in for Soares, Redmond and Lemina who all ended up choosing Soton) but seems pretty clear to me that while Hughes wasn’t free of blame himself, he was hamstrung by our wage structure and recruitment tactics to a fair extent. We don't know who else was there, but if our recruitment and negotiation strategy is £50k p/w and no negotiation, the whole lot of them want shooting. I'm far from the best negotiator but even I know in that situation you offer £40k and allow yourself to be negotiated up to £50k so the player feels he's won but you are still within original budget.
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 18, 2018 17:51:43 GMT
I’m not remotely ITK but have heard a story about our recruitment strategy under Hughes from a reliable source who knows the player involved that I think is pretty telling. This summer us and another Premier League team were seriously in for the same player, who is someone IMO would have seriously improved our team this season. Hughes plus others in the Stoke hierarchy (don’t know precisely who) met him and his agent at a hotel and made a take it or leave it contract offer and said there was no chance of negotiation. But the player also wasn’t impressed with Hughes who apparently largely just went on and on about his own playing career and how he had transformed the reputation of Stoke. In contrast, the other club rolled out the red carpet and did everything they could to convince him to pick them and he’d be an important part of their plans - they flew the player out to the manager’s villa overseas and the club’s owners even went to his house to meet him and his girlfriend and convince him to sign. Guess who he picked. Can’t speak for other situations (think it is pretty common knowledge we were in for Soares, Redmond and Lemina who all ended up choosing Soton) but seems pretty clear to me that while Hughes wasn’t free of blame himself, he was hamstrung by our wage structure and recruitment tactics to a fair extent. You just know that you've come up with a load of crap right there. Take it or leave it, it’s what I was told. Really don’t have that level of imagination or the time or inclination to make it up.
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Post by milky on Mar 18, 2018 18:00:06 GMT
Don’t forget his three 9th places.😉..........LOL! Clearly ! how could I forget it's not like it isn't mentioned every day by the ostrich herd on here. Fuck me , are you really accusing others of repeating themselves ? 10 out of 10 for the sheer nerve if nowt else ! 😂
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 18, 2018 18:04:41 GMT
I don’t give a flying fig about 9 th place finishes , I look at where we are now . I think that due to the shit show that Hughes and the idiots above him have left us with it will take us 5 years to reshape this team in to promotion contenders
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Post by thevoid on Mar 18, 2018 18:26:25 GMT
I don't get this, "Stoke haven't spent money on players". We have, but it has been the wrong ones; Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino.. As well as loaning players like Bony and Jese. We have also kept bringing players of the same type, usually attacking MFs, and not addressing the squad deficiencies, Hughes correctly addressed the deficient FB positions he inherited, but then neglected the positions for the rest of his tenure, barring Tymon. It hasn't been that money has not been spent, it's been spent foolishly. Hughes says he coveted many Southampton players, which as ...mark says sums up his judgement when you see Southampton's record. The problem Stoke is always up against is players like Redmond, Tadic, and Lemina will chose more attractive clubs like Southampton, West Ham, Palace, Leicester, and Newcastle before they will go to the likes of Stoke, Burnley, West Brom, Huddersfield, and Swansea. Although nowadays even a massive club like Newcastle is struggling to attract players. Hughes is simply trying to boost morale of the players and ingratiate them and the fans. Palace? Behave.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 18, 2018 19:05:00 GMT
The Coates family has an estimated net worth of c£5bn with PC about £1bn personally. We were listed as 4th of the top 15 wealthiest club owners with only Arsenal, Chelsea and Citeh above us (interestingly Wolves are 5th) - bottom line for me is that Coates has never been able to break out of the little old Stoke mentality and has never been prepared to fullly commit to what it takes to establish us as a permanent feature of the PL - and of course that is his / their prerogative. The failure to commit properly and conducting business in an oddly piecemeal manner and / or on the cheap has now been found out and we may never see another chance any time soon. A great shame...... Hard to disagree with lots of that. Coates did invest to get us up in the first place but has undeniably gone on the relatively cheap in the last few years. Fifth lowest net spenders aren't we? Parachute payments may help for the next two years, especially if we offload some of the high earners, Butland, Shaq, Allen, Shawcross all likely to go, but if we're really going down the self sustaining route, we'll be championship mediocrity for some time.
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