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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 22:46:00 GMT
Wimmer and shawcross come in and sit in front of Indi and Zooms with Cameron floating.
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Post by Gods on Mar 6, 2018 8:18:52 GMT
Can we bribe Man City ?
They don't need the points and we need them like never before.
What would a win be worth to us? It would catapult us from relegation dead beats to likely survivors.
Surely worth half a season of TV money, say £50 million?
But do they need the money, would they even care, might someone find out?
Perhaps we could pull at their heart strings instead. That final game of the 97/98 season where we played them at home and both teams needed a win to have the possibility of avoiding the drop and we ended up gifting it to them 5-2 ! Okay as it turned out we both went down to league 3 but we gifted them a chance.
Apart from this I'm all out of ideas for next Monday evening.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 6, 2018 8:41:19 GMT
It'll be a routine 2-0 or 3-0. We'll frustrate them, Pep will have a cry about it, they'll do enough, we'll move on to a game we have a chance in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 8:44:58 GMT
Are you really suggesting we score more than the record, think Livo put 9 past someone, or do you mean we score our record i.e. more than 6 against Livo, Personally I would be happy with a cheeky 1-0
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Post by jwhpotter on Mar 6, 2018 8:50:35 GMT
It'll be a routine 2-0 or 3-0. We'll frustrate them, Pep will have a cry about it, they'll do enough, we'll move on to a game we have a chance in. This, it would be nice to create a couple of chances and would be more than Chelsea did
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 6, 2018 9:51:51 GMT
Can we bribe Man City ? They don't need the points and we need them like never before. What would a win be worth to us? It would catapult us from relegation dead beats to likely survivors. Surely worth half a season of TV money, say £50 million? But do they need the money, would they even care, might someone find out? Perhaps we could pull at their heart strings instead. That final game of the 97/98 season where we played them at home and both teams needed a win to have the possibility of avoiding the drop and we ended up gifting it to them 5-2 ! Okay as it turned out we both went down to league 3 but we gifted them a chance. Apart from this I'm all out of ideas for next Monday evening. Illegal.
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Post by thegift on Mar 6, 2018 10:02:51 GMT
11 men on the goal line for 90 minutes.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 6, 2018 10:18:41 GMT
It will be a bigger shock than them losing to Wigan,if we won this one.
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Post by djralphy2k9 on Mar 6, 2018 15:39:10 GMT
Butland Bauer Zouma BMI Pieters Allen Badou Ramadan Shaq Jese Crouch my team as well mate We will have to go route one against City so Crouch can knock the ball down for the creativity of Shaq, Jese and Ramadan. Allen and Badou will have the energy in midfield.
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 6, 2018 16:51:19 GMT
We will have to go route one against City so Crouch can knock the ball down for the creativity of Shaq, Jese and Ramadan. Allen and Badou will have the energy in midfield. I like that team, but I am not sure Lambert will be confident enough to remove the extra security of Cameron sitting in front of the back four for this one. We do need to drop the three central midfielder tactic in the more winnable games in our run-in, starting with Everton.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 6, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
I thought we were hopeless at the weekend when we bought Crouch on and I see no reason to start with him against Man City. His lack of movement is shocking and I might be in the minority but I don't rate his hold up play that much either. Ramadan on the right wing to provide defensive help to Bauer, Jese on the left wing, Shaq in the middle with Tyrese up front. He's ex Man City so might have something to prove. Crouch on for the last 15 minutes if we are still in it. I think we are going to get an absolute hiding and be shown up for the clusterfuck of a team that we now are. Hopefully the rugby cheers me up
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 6, 2018 17:02:30 GMT
I thought we were hopeless at the weekend when we bought Crouch on and I see no reason to start with him against Man City. His lack of movement is shocking and I might be in the minority but I don't rate his hold up play that much either. Ramadan on the right wing to provide defensive help to Bauer, Jese on the left wing, Shaq in the middle with Tyrese up front. He's ex Man City so might have something to prove. Crouch on for the last 15 minutes if we are still in it. I think we are going to get an absolute hiding and be shown up for the clusterfuck of a team that we now are. Hopefully the rugby cheers me up Crouch it is, then.
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Post by stillgame4it on Mar 8, 2018 13:36:57 GMT
If we come out the other side of this match with our GD better than -30 it will be surprise 😨
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 8, 2018 14:14:24 GMT
Very few teams have shown how to play Man City. And that's to attack them Which ofcourse is going to leave you open to a spanking. But, given hard work and 11 heroic performances, it can be done. If we do what Chelsea did we will get destroyed. I still can't believe how Conte who's paid thousands of pounds decided to set up like he did. Embarrassing! I really hope that we play them, we press them and we keep it tight at the back and hit them with an on form Shaq and Jese going forward. Not a fan of Crouch normally as he slows us down, but given the game, is it best to go with him to hold it up and bring Jese and Shaq in? They've shown they're not the best when teams attack them. (Granted it's hard to do that cause you don't get the ball much) Or do we go with Diouf to press them and win what he can? Or even Mr Instagram himself up top? Choupo has been poor of late and I'm dying to have Jese play from the start We need another Arsenal'esq performance from the start of the season. The minute Crouch's toe hits the pitch the bookies will cut the odds for Man City from six to one on to fifty to one on. If Crouch is selected Man City will be able to move their defensive back line up to the half way line and as a consequence they will be able to press our players in our own half. A suicide decision to play Crouch. A very difficult game for us to win in reality! Only people with any pace up front might see us score!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 14:56:22 GMT
As long as we have some morale left afterwards anything is fine.
To be honest, i'd rather we lost 2-0 than go 1 up and throw it away.
Keep some positives, move on.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 8, 2018 15:38:17 GMT
I thought we were hopeless at the weekend when we bought Crouch on and I see no reason to start with him against Man City. His lack of movement is shocking and I might be in the minority but I don't rate his hold up play that much either. Ramadan on the right wing to provide defensive help to Bauer, Jese on the left wing, Shaq in the middle with Tyrese up front. He's ex Man City so might have something to prove. Crouch on for the last 15 minutes if we are still in it. I think we are going to get an absolute hiding and be shown up for the clusterfuck of a team that we now are. Hopefully the rugby cheers me up Is that the same Crouch whose flick set up Cheap No Motion for a 1v1. He is the one way we can unsettle City they do give you a chance in the final third if you can get the ball there but we need him to hold it up and players running their knackers off to support him to get any chances. The fantasy that we can outplay them on the deck an utter nonsense . If we try to pass our way through them the whole game will be in our final third
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2018 16:32:04 GMT
Very few teams have shown how to play Man City. And that's to attack them Which ofcourse is going to leave you open to a spanking. But, given hard work and 11 heroic performances, it can be done. If we do what Chelsea did we will get destroyed. I still can't believe how Conte who's paid thousands of pounds decided to set up like he did. Embarrassing! I really hope that we play them, we press them and we keep it tight at the back and hit them with an on form Shaq and Jese going forward. Not a fan of Crouch normally as he slows us down, but given the game, is it best to go with him to hold it up and bring Jese and Shaq in? They've shown they're not the best when teams attack them. (Granted it's hard to do that cause you don't get the ball much) Or do we go with Diouf to press them and win what he can? Or even Mr Instagram himself up top? Choupo has been poor of late and I'm dying to have Jese play from the start We need another Arsenal'esq performance from the start of the season. The minute Crouch's toe hits the pitch the bookies will cut the odds for Man City from six to one on to fifty to one on. If Crouch is selected Man City will be able to move their defensive back line up to the half way line and as a consequence they will be able to press our players in our own half. A suicide decision to play Crouch. A very difficult game for us to win in reality! Only people with any pace up front might see us score! Which people with pace might they be then mate? Man City are 100x better team than Arse and if we try and match them in any way they will murder us. We need to either get up them or lump it up to the only asset we have which might just give us an advantage. As we don't have the players to get up them any more, Crouch must play.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 8, 2018 16:49:17 GMT
I thought we were hopeless at the weekend when we bought Crouch on and I see no reason to start with him against Man City. His lack of movement is shocking and I might be in the minority but I don't rate his hold up play that much either. Ramadan on the right wing to provide defensive help to Bauer, Jese on the left wing, Shaq in the middle with Tyrese up front. He's ex Man City so might have something to prove. Crouch on for the last 15 minutes if we are still in it. I think we are going to get an absolute hiding and be shown up for the clusterfuck of a team that we now are. Hopefully the rugby cheers me up Is that the same Crouch whose flick set up Cheap No Motion for a 1v1. He is the one way we can unsettle City they do give you a chance in the final third if you can get the ball there but we need him to hold it up and players running their knackers off to support him to get any chances. The fantasy that we can outplay them on the deck an utter nonsense . If we try to pass our way through them the whole game will be in our final third Has there been a game this season where Man City haven't been encamped in the oppositions end? Maybe Liverpool. Yes he got one flick on that should have lead to a goal but apart from that I thought we went backwards in the second half and invited them on. In my opinion he's good for the last 20 and I would rather have someone up front who is more mobile that might have half a chance of dragging their defence around a bit. Take the defensive shackles off Shaqiri and see what we can do.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 8, 2018 17:44:45 GMT
We might as well have a go in this game, not expected to get anything, and our goal difference is so bad, it doesn't make any difference, Not stupid attacking but take a chance in getting forward when we get the opportunity.
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Post by borat on Mar 8, 2018 19:00:11 GMT
Believe me this will be closer than people realize, saying its going be a record score etc etc is horseshit, maybe when Hughes was here but people are forgetting Lambert has done a fine job so far, we are 9th in the form table with a plus1 goal difference and only City and Spurs have conceded fewer since Lambert arrived.
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Post by harrysburrow on Mar 8, 2018 20:20:35 GMT
2 or 3 nil defeat - but the maths will look even worse. If we don't then get 3 pts v Everton then I'm afraid we've shit it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 21:08:55 GMT
I'm going for a 2-1 Win, i can't make the game due to work but i will be in a pub in Kingston upon Thames and as it happens, it is the same pub i was in when Crouchy scored that Wonder goal when Pennant headed it to Crouch...My Sister & I were the only Stokies in there (With Stoke Shirts) along with loads of Chelsea, Arsenal etc, playing pool etc, and when that goal went in not many people had seen it bar a few actually watching the game who went mad...I do remember a big "WTF"..and then when they showed the Replay the whole place went mad and people were coming up to us saying Wow, Well done, patting us on the back...Brilliant memories of that game.
So i, am going for a 2-1 Win to Stoke...Get In
T E S T
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2018 21:40:47 GMT
This is one game where I will be completely relaxed because I can't see anything other than them winning.
Everton game will be incredibly nervous
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 8, 2018 23:27:49 GMT
11 men on the goal line for 90 minutes. Or just Adam and Wimmer.
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Post by cheekycheddleton on Mar 9, 2018 6:31:40 GMT
Not a chance of a result
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 9, 2018 8:19:42 GMT
Butland Bauer Zouma Indi Staffy Allen Cameron Badou Shaqiri Crouch Choupo (very fucking reluctantly)
Methodology?! Shaqiri is our best player and needs to play centrally but can only be allowed to do that from a solid defensive base, hence the 3 battlers in midfield. Crouch will play because, well, we haven't got anyone else so if he does play he needs someone close to him for the knockdowns and so we can have a better chance of getting up the pitch. So with that thinking I guess Choupo is that guy for this formation. It might work, it might not.. we've hardly got anything to lose though against Citeh have we?
What I will say is, if we play the standard formation I want Ramadan on the left instead of Moting.
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Post by enuntio on Mar 9, 2018 8:44:09 GMT
Stoke have nothing to lose, as they have already lost this game, haven't they?
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 9, 2018 9:22:09 GMT
The minute Crouch's toe hits the pitch the bookies will cut the odds for Man City from six to one on to fifty to one on. If Crouch is selected Man City will be able to move their defensive back line up to the half way line and as a consequence they will be able to press our players in our own half. A suicide decision to play Crouch. A very difficult game for us to win in reality! Only people with any pace up front might see us score! Which people with pace might they be then mate? Man City are 100x better team than Arse and if we try and match them in any way they will murder us. We need to either get up them or lump it up to the only asset we have which might just give us an advantage. As we don't have the players to get up them any more, Crouch must play. You really just don't get it do you! "Lump it up" ?????? I have no objection to any of our players clearing their lines but do you honestly think that Crouch will be allowed to lead our attacking line from any further forward than the half way line. Man City will be able to have almost every one of their players in our half!!!!!! When you add to this that Crouch has no pace to run in behind and that he is no longer able to hold up the ball like he used to. Your system would play into the hands of Man City. To be totally honest everything points towards us losing but at least we need to think of the best way of competing. When I talk about pace in Stoke's offensive line I am clearly referring to our players who have the most pace. We need to have players who can pressure Man City players as quickly as possible and pressurise them into errors. We do not actually have players in our squad who can be relied on to do that and that includes Shaqiri. Our best player at doing this kind of thing is Allen without a doubt. I ask myself who else at present has shown the heart and tenacity needed to do this role? I can only come up with perhaps Cameron and after that the only players we have of doing this role with any success are Zouma and Stafylidis. Many Stoke fans have already labelled these two players as defenders whereas in reality both have previously played this role in midfield. At the end of the day I am looking desperately for a little hope that might see us sneak one point from the game. Crouch,Adam,Fletcher and the like offer us little hope. A back four of Bauer, Shawcross, Indi, Pieters along with a midfield five of Cameron Allen, Zouma,Ndiaye and Stafylidis at least have the energy to close down and tackle. We are never going to be an attacking force in this game except on set pieces so giving Shaqiri a free role up front is not a bad choice. He can score worldies and he is capable on the ball of linking in Allen, NDiaye and perhaps Stafylidis whilst Zouma and Cmaron are good anchormen.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 9, 2018 10:25:50 GMT
Which people with pace might they be then mate? Man City are 100x better team than Arse and if we try and match them in any way they will murder us. We need to either get up them or lump it up to the only asset we have which might just give us an advantage. As we don't have the players to get up them any more, Crouch must play. You really just don't get it do you! "Lump it up" ?????? I have no objection to any of our players clearing their lines but do you honestly think that Crouch will be allowed to lead our attacking line from any further forward than the half way line. Man City will be able to have almost every one of their players in our half!!!!!! When you add to this that Crouch has no pace to run in behind and that he is no longer able to hold up the ball like he used to. Your system would play into the hands of Man City. To be totally honest everything points towards us losing but at least we need to think of the best way of competing. When I talk about pace in Stoke's offensive line I am clearly referring to our players who have the most pace. We need to have players who can pressure Man City players as quickly as possible and pressurise them into errors. We do not actually have players in our squad who can be relied on to do that and that includes Shaqiri. Our best player at doing this kind of thing is Allen without a doubt. I ask myself who else at present has shown the heart and tenacity needed to do this role? I can only come up with perhaps Cameron and after that the only players we have of doing this role with any success are Zouma and Stafylidis. Many Stoke fans have already labelled these two players as defenders whereas in reality both have previously played this role in midfield. At the end of the day I am looking desperately for a little hope that might see us sneak one point from the game. Crouch,Adam,Fletcher and the like offer us little hope. A back four of Bauer, Shawcross, Indi, Pieters along with a midfield five of Cameron Allen, Zouma,Ndiaye and Stafylidis at least have the energy to close down and tackle. We are never going to be an attacking force in this game except on set pieces so giving Shaqiri a free role up front is not a bad choice. He can score worldies and he is capable on the ball of linking in Allen, NDiaye and perhaps Stafylidis whilst Zouma and Cmaron are good anchormen. That's your opinion??????? Fair enough. But it's not mine. Mine is that if we line up as you suggest (which is exactly how Chelsea lined up) we will definitely get beaten. Chelsea are a much better team than us and they couldn't contain Man City playing like you advocate. It relies on the lone frontman running his bollocks off harrying, closing down and holding the ball on the rare occasions when he does get it. Is Shaq better than Hazard at any of those things? Hazard was woeful playing in that system against them. What I'm suggesting is rather than falling into Einstein's definition of insanity (repeating the same mistake over and over expecting a different outcome) we could try something different. I used the phrase 'Lump it' which seems to have caused you so much offence, what I meant and should have said is lets try to play direct, aggressive football. Rather than sitting back on the ramparts of the Alamo waiting to be rolled over lets get at them, get the ball forward quickly and attack them. Their one weakness is their defence particularly in the air. Lets at least try and expose that weakness. If you've read my posts I'm not advocating Crouch isolated up top. That would, as you say, be an entirely futile exercise and result in certain failure. For my idea to work we'd need someone up with Crouch, I suggested Shaq, who could pick the bits up from Crouch, hold the ball up and bring in the midfielders particularly the wingers. Play the percentages. In other words 'Pulis direct football at it's best'. I'm not saying it is guaranteed to work but it is a plan, an idea, something different, indeed something Man City (Pep) might not have encountered before or set up to play against, rather than doing the same thing over and over again and getting spanked doing it. In my opinion what you're suggesting is just more of the same, ie the inevitable spanking. The probability is we'll get spanked anyway because no matter what we try we're just not very good, but would you rather not try something different, in the hope that it succeeds?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 9, 2018 10:27:40 GMT
11 men on the goal line for 90 minutes. Or just Adam and Wimmer. Are we widening the goals specially then?
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