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Post by senojbor on Mar 4, 2018 15:19:00 GMT
Some of the posters on this message board are a total disgrace. It's as if they are willing us to go down to fit with there own sorry agenda. They are setting their stall out to be critical of just about everything. I have every respect of the opinions of proper supporters who go home and away and I for one think the point away at Southampton was a decent one. It's going to take time to repair the damage that has been done. I'm staying positive that the wins we need will come.
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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2018 15:31:15 GMT
Some of the posters on this message board are a total disgrace. It's as if they are willing us to go down to fit with there own sorry agenda. They are setting their stall out to be critical of just about everything. I have every respect of the opinions of proper supporters who go home and away and I for one think the point away at Southampton was a decent one. It's going to take time to repair the damage that has been done. I'm staying positive that the wins we need will come. Are you having a laugh? You've spent the last five years balling out Mark Hughes. Even when things were going well you were trying to give his predecessor all the credit. What a hypocrite.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 4, 2018 15:40:56 GMT
Just because it's an improvement doesn't mean we should be happy with it. I could be up to my neck in cat shit, call for help, then someone comes along and scoops a few handfuls away. Yes it's an improvement, but I'm still up to my shoulders in cat shit. Your standpoint appears to be that we are relegation certainties and that we should just give up. I, and others apparently, disagree with this attitude. I will never give up on my team. We still have a mathematical chance of staying up. Teams have recovered from worse positions than this before and teams will recover from worse positions than this in the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 15:43:36 GMT
Just because it's an improvement doesn't mean we should be happy with it. I could be up to my neck in cat shit, call for help, then someone comes along and scoops a few handfuls away. Yes it's an improvement, but I'm still up to my shoulders in cat shit. Your standpoint appears to be that we are relegation certainties and that we should just give up. I, and others apparently, disagree with this attitude. I will never give up on my team. We still have a mathematical chance of staying up. Teams have recovered from worse positions than this before and teams will recover from worse positions than this in the future. Where has he said we should give up? He's said that the results currently aren't good enough hasn't he? His analogy is one about in a shit situation and trying to get out of it but not managing as the efforts aren't enough. Nowt about giving up?? Maybe Ive misinterpreted it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 4, 2018 15:44:31 GMT
Good point my fucking ringpiece. The days of "good points" have long gone this season. And for all those that think it was a good point, take your head out of your arse, take a look at the league table, take a look at our remaining fixtures and the take a long loom at our goals for column whilst browsing the league table. We are fucked. If we all shared your way of thinking we would not turn up for any of the remaining games. Would you advocate Lambert picking the under-11s for the rest of the season?
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Post by wrightspies on Mar 4, 2018 15:47:47 GMT
It was a good point (under normal circumstances) and a massive improvement. I'm just worried that we're running out of games. We dropped vital points against the likes of; Bournemouth, Brighton, Watford etc. We now need some really good wins from teams we aren't expecting to beat. It's not impossible but I'm not sure we've improved enough.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 4, 2018 15:48:54 GMT
Your standpoint appears to be that we are relegation certainties and that we should just give up. I, and others apparently, disagree with this attitude. I will never give up on my team. We still have a mathematical chance of staying up. Teams have recovered from worse positions than this before and teams will recover from worse positions than this in the future. Where has he said we should give up? He's said that the results currently aren't good enough hasn't he? His analogy is one about in a shit situation and trying to get out of it but not managing as the efforts aren't enough. Nowt about giving up?? Maybe Ive misinterpreted it. He has stated quite clearly that gaining a point yesterday was worthless. If we extend that logic then we may as well not bother trying to gain points as they are "pretty much worthless"(unless we can win) to me that is pretty much giving up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 15:51:33 GMT
Where has he said we should give up? He's said that the results currently aren't good enough hasn't he? His analogy is one about in a shit situation and trying to get out of it but not managing as the efforts aren't enough. Nowt about giving up?? Maybe Ive misinterpreted it. He has stated quite clearly that gaining a point yesterday was worthless. If we extend that logic then we may as well not bother trying to gain points as they are "pretty much worthless"(unless we can win) to me that is pretty much giving up. I was going off the post you quoted, I haven't read anything else. The point was piss poor yesterday mind.
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Post by loosestools on Mar 4, 2018 16:03:48 GMT
Lambert was told to shore up the defence, which he has done. The creativity in midfield is still poor apart from Shaq, the attack force is shockingly bad. We all know this, but it was still a good point, they are better than us as we saw when they played us at the Brit. Therefore I say it was a good point, you never know when it might be vital.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 4, 2018 16:31:16 GMT
Some of the posters on this message board are a total disgrace. It's as if they are willing us to go down to fit with there own sorry agenda. They are setting their stall out to be critical of just about everything. I have every respect of the opinions of proper supporters who go home and away and I for one think the point away at Southampton was a decent one. It's going to take time to repair the damage that has been done. I'm staying positive that the wins we need will come. U N B E L I E V A B L E
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 4, 2018 17:59:56 GMT
Just because it's an improvement doesn't mean we should be happy with it. I could be up to my neck in cat shit, call for help, then someone comes along and scoops a few handfuls away. Yes it's an improvement, but I'm still up to my shoulders in cat shit. Your standpoint appears to be that we are relegation certainties and that we should just give up. I, and others apparently, disagree with this attitude. I will never give up on my team. We still have a mathematical chance of staying up. Teams have recovered from worse positions than this before and teams will recover from worse positions than this in the future. I'm not saying we should give up at all. I'm saying that the team, the manager, the board have not done enough. We're in an insanely difficult position now in which the club have half arsed their way to a position where, barring a miracle against the four big boys, we have three home games and two away games to secure a bare minimum nine points. We've fucked up six winnable games and no matter how you dress it, singe points are and never were "good" results (against those teams, keeping in mind our position), given the gargantuan task ahead of us. There aren't any signs at all that indicate that we are capable of digging our way out of this mess. Of course whilst there's a mathematical chance we can stay up. The reality, and taking emotion out of the question, is that: There is no room for error. We are no longer in control of own fate. We will have to start studying witchcraft to conjure goals up from somewhere. If the efforts carry on as they are, we will be down. We've improved, but we haven't improved enough. At the ground I am a mint supporter but nobody is bigger than the club and nobody is above criticism, and the reality is that the club have put in nowhere near enough effort in dragging us out of this mess. It's good that we've stopped getting dicked but it will all be for nothing if we still get relegated. You can say an away point is good all you like, and if we were in midtable I'd agree, but today and yesterday our position is that a point is not good enough because draws will take us down just as painfully hard as losses will.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 4, 2018 18:29:57 GMT
Your standpoint appears to be that we are relegation certainties and that we should just give up. I, and others apparently, disagree with this attitude. I will never give up on my team. We still have a mathematical chance of staying up. Teams have recovered from worse positions than this before and teams will recover from worse positions than this in the future. I'm not saying we should give up at all. I'm saying that the team, the manager, the board have not done enough. We're in an insanely difficult position now in which the club have half arsed their way to a position where, barring a miracle against the four big boys, we have three home games and two away games to secure a bare minimum nine points. We've fucked up six winnable games and no matter how you dress it, singe points are and never were "good" results (against those teams, keeping in mind our position), given the gargantuan task ahead of us. There aren't any signs at all that indicate that we are capable of digging our way out of this mess. Of course whilst there's a mathematical chance we can stay up. The reality, and taking emotion out of the question, is that: There is no room for error. We are no longer in control of own fate. We will have to start studying witchcraft to conjure goals up from somewhere. If the efforts carry on as they are, we will be down. We've improved, but we haven't improved enough. At the ground I am a mint supporter but nobody is bigger than the club and nobody is above criticism, and the reality is that the club have put in nowhere near enough effort in dragging us out of this mess. It's good that we've stopped getting dicked but it will all be for nothing if we still get relegated. You can say an away point is good all you like, and if we were in midtable I'd agree, but today and yesterday our position is that a point is not good enough because draws will take us down just as painfully hard as losses will. We are in a terrible position. Most of our problems are of our own making. Looking back and moaning about our position is not going to make things better. The only thing that will make things better is winning points. If we win 11 more points I think we will stay up. If we hadn't won a point yesterday we would need to win 12 points. I think we have more chance of winning 11 points in our remaining games than we have of winning 12 points. Staying up would be easier if we had won yesterday. It would also be easier if we hadn't missed a penalty against Brighton or lost twice against Newcastle and Bournemouth, or if Ryan hadn't missed from 1 foot against Palace or if Butland hadn't thrown one into his own goal at Leicester. We are not favourites to get 11 more points but our odds of getting 12 more points are even worse.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 4, 2018 18:46:29 GMT
Great to see a team defending properly once again and we could of nicked it. Still all to play for, West Ham back in it, Udders back in it, Saints still in it, Palace still in it. Need to beat Everton, Palace at home...........City till I Die. Bang on. All we need to do now is try to score.
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Post by skelman on Mar 4, 2018 19:23:56 GMT
Great to see a team defending properly once again and we could of nicked it. Still all to play for, West Ham back in it, Udders back in it, Saints still in it, Palace still in it. Need to beat Everton, Palace at home...........City till I Die. Bang on. All we need to do now is try to score. And not concede in the same games
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 4, 2018 19:28:32 GMT
Some of the posters on this message board are a total disgrace. It's as if they are willing us to go down to fit with there own sorry agenda. They are setting their stall out to be critical of just about everything. I have every respect of the opinions of proper supporters who go home and away and I for one think the point away at Southampton was a decent one. It's going to take time to repair the damage that has been done. I'm staying positive that the wins we need will come. Are you having a laugh? You've spent the last five years balling out Mark Hughes. Even when things were going well you were trying to give his predecessor all the credit. What a hypocrite. it's called supporting Stoke. Some on here were trying to get rid of Hughes from day 1. Now there is a new manager, let's give him some support!
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