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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 16:34:39 GMT
Unless you can prove that he earns 80k a week when the wage cap is 70k, then I don't buy it. Can you tell me what Crouch does to justify 30k a week (at a guess)? Adam for 30k? Johnson 40k? If given the choice between 70k for Berahino or 70k for Adam and Johnson, then Saido every time. Wages
None of them should be at the club. Berahino, Johnson or Adam. That boils down to one person. Mark Hughes Well that table is absolute bollocks because: A) Doesn't Shawcross have a match highest earner clause; B) Andy King doesn't play for Stoke! And on the point that none should be here, Saido was written off straight away for whatever reason and does he really offer that much less than our other options? I aren't justifying him staying, I just aren't sure whether the other strikers at the club made it feasible to let him go. If we had signed someone else I would have tried to move him on (on loan) to see if he can recover his scoring touch.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 27, 2018 16:35:26 GMT
Very few modern Premier League footballers are likeable - all Johnny Big Bollocks, 50k a week plus, totally removed from the real world, pampered and cosseted wankers. This applies to every club, not just us. Which of our players would you like to go down the pub for a beer with? Ryan, Joe maybe? Ryan? Comes across dour as fuck. Gotta be Crouchy - he'd be a laugh for sure...
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 16:37:35 GMT
Unless you can prove that he earns 80k a week when the wage cap is 70k, then I don't buy it. Can you tell me what Crouch does to justify 30k a week (at a guess)? Adam for 30k? Johnson 40k? If given the choice between 70k for Berahino or 70k for Adam and Johnson, then Saido every time. somewhat a straw man argument Thanks. Because that input really helped.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 16:37:48 GMT
Wages
None of them should be at the club. Berahino, Johnson or Adam. That boils down to one person. Mark Hughes Well that table is absolute bollocks because: A) Doesn't Shawcross have a match highest earner clause; B) Andy King doesn't play for Stoke! And on the point that none should be here, Saido was written off straight away for whatever reason and does he really offer that much less than our other options? I aren't justifying him staying, I just aren't sure whether the other strikers at the club made it feasible to let him go. If we had signed someone else I would have tried to move him on (on loan) to see if he can recover his scoring touch. Andy king is a mistake i think. I have never heard a highest earner for shawcross clause. Don't talk utter drivel. A lot of people have supported saido and fuck me he produces nothing. The guy has absolutely no fucking talent. No pace, no acceleration, cant make runs, cant heard, cant stay out of trouble, no strength on the ball. Who is going to take him on loan? Name me one club.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 16:42:40 GMT
Well that table is absolute bollocks because: A) Doesn't Shawcross have a match highest earner clause; B) Andy King doesn't play for Stoke! And on the point that none should be here, Saido was written off straight away for whatever reason and does he really offer that much less than our other options? I aren't justifying him staying, I just aren't sure whether the other strikers at the club made it feasible to let him go. If we had signed someone else I would have tried to move him on (on loan) to see if he can recover his scoring touch. Andy king is a mistake i think. I have never heard a highest earner for shawcross clause. Don't talk utter drivel. A lot of people have supported saido and fuck me he produces nothing. The guy has absolutely no fucking talent. No pace, no acceleration, cant make runs, cant heard, cant stay out of trouble, no strength on the ball. Who is going to take him on loan? Name me one club. On the highest earner clause, I don't know but I am sure I read it a while back. And Saido has plenty of talent. There is a reason Spurs were willing to pay big money for him. You don't just lose that. His attitude is wrong, I get that, but to question his ability is utter shit. There would be plenty of clubs willing to take him on loan. If Wolves were desperate to sign Afobe, why wouldn't they want Saido? Is Afobe really that good? Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol City, Preston all would have taken him too. He is lacking confidence, not quality.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 16:47:09 GMT
Andy king is a mistake i think. I have never heard a highest earner for shawcross clause. Don't talk utter drivel. A lot of people have supported saido and fuck me he produces nothing. The guy has absolutely no fucking talent. No pace, no acceleration, cant make runs, cant heard, cant stay out of trouble, no strength on the ball. Who is going to take him on loan? Name me one club. On the highest earner clause, I don't know but I am sure I read it a while back. And Saido has plenty of talent. There is a reason Spurs were willing to pay big money for him. You don't just lose that. His attitude is wrong, I get that, but to question his ability is utter shit. There would be plenty of clubs willing to take him on loan. If Wolves were desperate to sign Afobe, why wouldn't they want Saido? Is Afobe really that good? Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol City, Preston all would have taken him too. He is lacking confidence, not quality. Before he left west brom, he hadn't scored there for a while. He's had one good season. No championship club would take him and pay his wages. the guy has not scored in 2 YEARS!!!!!!!!! At least Afobe can score, id take afobe at stoke. As for not lacking quality, the guy isn't even making the right runs, not even running into channels. How on earth is he ever going to score? He cant even score a penalty.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 16:55:30 GMT
On the highest earner clause, I don't know but I am sure I read it a while back. And Saido has plenty of talent. There is a reason Spurs were willing to pay big money for him. You don't just lose that. His attitude is wrong, I get that, but to question his ability is utter shit. There would be plenty of clubs willing to take him on loan. If Wolves were desperate to sign Afobe, why wouldn't they want Saido? Is Afobe really that good? Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol City, Preston all would have taken him too. He is lacking confidence, not quality. Before he left west brom, he hadn't scored there for a while. He's had one good season. No championship club would take him and pay his wages. the guy has not scored in 2 YEARS!!!!!!!!! At least Afobe can score, id take afobe at stoke. As for not lacking quality, the guy isn't even making the right runs, not even running into channels. How on earth is he ever going to score? He cant even score a penalty. He also hadn't played for West Brom in a while. And of course many Championship clubs would take him. If Glenn Whelan can score in the Championship, I am sure Saido can. And Afobe is woeful. I wouldn't want him at Stoke in a million years.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 16:57:33 GMT
Before he left west brom, he hadn't scored there for a while. He's had one good season. No championship club would take him and pay his wages. the guy has not scored in 2 YEARS!!!!!!!!! At least Afobe can score, id take afobe at stoke. As for not lacking quality, the guy isn't even making the right runs, not even running into channels. How on earth is he ever going to score? He cant even score a penalty. He also hadn't played for West Brom in a while. And of course many Championship clubs would take him. If Glenn Whelan can score in the Championship, I am sure Saido can. And Afobe is woeful. I wouldn't want him at Stoke in a million years. Who's afobe worse than at our club?
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 27, 2018 17:00:01 GMT
Just seen berahino at leighton hospital
Apparently lambo sent him there for an x ray
To see if he has got a days work in him
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 17:02:28 GMT
He also hadn't played for West Brom in a while. And of course many Championship clubs would take him. If Glenn Whelan can score in the Championship, I am sure Saido can. And Afobe is woeful. I wouldn't want him at Stoke in a million years. Who's afobe worse than at our club? He is just as bad as Diouf, Crouch and Berahino at the minute. Afobe, Diouf and Berahino have it in them to play brilliantly but none have done it for a while now.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 17:03:34 GMT
Who's afobe worse than at our club? He is just as bad as Diouf, Crouch and Berahino at the minute. Afobe, Diouf and Berahino have it in them to play brilliantly but none have done it for a while now. Has afobe scored in the last 2 years? has afobe been caught with any hookers and caught taking drugs, did he also cost £12 million and is on 80K per week?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 27, 2018 17:11:27 GMT
Definately a bit of a negative thread this :-) But i do think it would help the club to sell / terminate the contracts of saido / wimmer / imbula... Take a massive loss... And refocus Be more positive. Have a happy ship And start again Could you explain how you sell (or terminate the contracts of) Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula? How do you sell them given the wages they are on? You could try to give them away but the "buying" club would have to find their wages (which could top £2.5 million per year for each player) for the life of the existing contract - unless either the player accepts a big wage cut or Stoke pay the difference between our wages and the wages the new club are prepared to pay. Much the same applies to terminating the contracts. You can terminate the contract of any player but only if you agree to pay him the wages he will be due until the end of his contract. That is the problem with these 3 horror signings. The £50 million we paid for them (less any fees we might get if we sell them) does NOT represent the full extent of our potential losses. Whatever wages remain outstanding on their contracts is also a potential loss to the club - less any wages a new club is prepared to pay. I can only say this LP certainly regarding Imbula and Berahino, if they are not in breach of contract then footballers contracts are a laughing stock. A player in the middle of a contract can demand anything he wants even to the point of demanding a transfer to another club. But when the boot is on the other foot, footballers appear to be able to hold clubs over a barrel in terms of not performing their role, lack of fitness, bringing the club into disrepute, poor attitude etc etc and still getting paid until the end of their contract. When all is said and done this season, if we are relegated then the signing of these two wasters and possibly Wimmer, would have made a massive contribution to our demise. If we stay up, and I think we can, then we should move heaven and earth to get rid of at least Imbula and Berahino even if we have to take a hit financially.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
He is just as bad as Diouf, Crouch and Berahino at the minute. Afobe, Diouf and Berahino have it in them to play brilliantly but none have done it for a while now. Has afobe scored in the last 2 years? has afobe been caught with any hookers and caught taking drugs, did he also cost £12 million and is on 80K per week? Afobe has 1 in 28. Saido none in 16. Hardly impressive from either. What he does in his personal life is up to him, I don't care what he feels like doing so long as he does his best for Stoke. And Afobe cost £10 million.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 18:33:47 GMT
Has afobe scored in the last 2 years? has afobe been caught with any hookers and caught taking drugs, did he also cost £12 million and is on 80K per week? Afobe has 1 in 28. Saido none in 16. Hardly impressive from either. What he does in his personal life is up to him, I don't care what he feels like doing so long as he does his best for Stoke. And Afobe cost £10 million. What he did in his personal life got him a four month ban at WBA you fop.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 27, 2018 18:46:41 GMT
Don't think anyone should dislike our own players..... "Annoyance" and "frustration" are two words that spring to mind with some of them, but not enough to dislike them!!! I do dislike a few of our players (Imbula, Wimmer, Chupo) that they do not seem to apply themselves considering the talent they have. Many who may not have those abilities and would kill for the opportunity. Wasting that with lack of caring, work or attitude pisses me off to no end. That goes for anyone in any profession though. That said I do not hate any of them. Don't know them so that is a step much to far in my opinion. Oh well, each to their own I suppose!!!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 18:49:55 GMT
Many people don't get paid if they are off injured at work, you have to claim compensation via legal means, people also tend to get the sack if they don't meet the requirements of the job in which case Berahino would have been down the road a long time ago. Why are these wasters any different ? You are obsessed with Berahino! Just fuck off, I am fed up of arguing with you. That reaction just confirms you lost the argument, you are wrong about Berahino the man is a total and utter waster as a man and as a professional footballer.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 27, 2018 18:51:09 GMT
None for Stoke, not enough to hate anyway.
I do have a genuine dislike for Ashley Barnes though, he pisses me right off with the moaning he does especially as he's dirty bugger.
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Post by wokka59 on Feb 27, 2018 18:53:39 GMT
Alec Lindsay, Robbie James, Derek Statham, that other fat left back from West Brom, Kevin Pressman, that centre half from the shit/Everton Higgins I think is name was, Barry Siddall, Joe Corrigan, Neville Southall, that little fat midfielder we had from Liverpool, give me a min and i'll think of some more, oh Dave Bamber, Alan Suddick theres so fcuckn many
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 27, 2018 19:06:05 GMT
Adam blew my massive love for him when he told Delph not to sign. What a dick move.
Wimmer is just wank and I can't get past that.
Zouma is just a mercenary flap who doesn't care about the fate of the club.
As good as Shaq is and how much we rely on him, he's defo got a streak of the "Premiershit", snapback, posing, selfie on Instagram narcissism about him.
Berahino is a drug taking love rat who is wank and shite in equal measure.
I know it was ages avo and not even here, but Ireland clearly has a twat streak about him by pretending his nan had died.
Choupo is another bell wipe, my least favourite one at the moment for his incessant ambivalence towards the fanbase by tossing off over whoever beats us that week.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 19:34:57 GMT
Afobe has 1 in 28. Saido none in 16. Hardly impressive from either. What he does in his personal life is up to him, I don't care what he feels like doing so long as he does his best for Stoke. And Afobe cost £10 million. What he did in his personal life got him a four month ban at WBA you fop. Was the FOR STOKE part not clear enough for you?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 19:37:29 GMT
You are obsessed with Berahino! Just fuck off, I am fed up of arguing with you. That reaction just confirms you lost the argument, you are wrong about Berahino the man is a total and utter waster as a man and as a professional footballer. No the reaction just shows how boring and repetitive arguing is with you as you are nothing more than a bitter piss stain on society.
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Post by knyperstokie on Feb 27, 2018 19:55:55 GMT
Pretty much the way I'd see it. Traditionally a manager would dump an unwanted player in the reserves until he got fed up and asked for a transfer, but who would want these players? In addition, I think more than one of them would gladly play for the under 16's, never mind the reserves, and pick up his £50k - £60k a week.
They must be among the highest paid players at the club, so what is this doing to the atmosphere there?
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 27, 2018 20:12:37 GMT
Great rallying post Jonny. Just what we need at the moment. Who do you think he should rally? The fans have roared behind the players game after game after game, but the truth is most if not all of them simply don't give a shit. That's why we're in this hole and that's why we're going down. Rallying the fans won't change a thing.
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 27, 2018 20:20:52 GMT
I don't mind players who lack talent, I do mind players who can't be arsed.
So Jon Walters trumps Berahino, Imbula and Palacios hands down.
I wouldn't put Adam in that group until the lame arsed run in to despatch the saved penalty. Walters would have sprinted in and almost broke the net putting the rebound away
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 20:24:44 GMT
That reaction just confirms you lost the argument, you are wrong about Berahino the man is a total and utter waster as a man and as a professional footballer. No the reaction just shows how boring and repetitive arguing is with you as you are nothing more than a bitter piss stain on society. Your reaction shows a total lack of intelligence which is hardly surprising, more abusive language God you are thick.
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Post by RAF on Feb 27, 2018 20:29:29 GMT
to be honest most of them, excluding the new guys and the academy the only ones I have anytime for are Ryan Pieters Cameron Allen Shaq Crouch and Diouf And 4 of them are Pulis old guard.... Who is the 4th? Ryan, Cameron, Crouch and who? H
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 27, 2018 20:35:08 GMT
pieters
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
No the reaction just shows how boring and repetitive arguing is with you as you are nothing more than a bitter piss stain on society. Your reaction shows a total lack of intelligence which is hardly surprising, more abusive language God you are thick. Not that I need validation about my mental capabilities from you anyway. Goodnight.
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Post by RAF on Feb 27, 2018 20:39:44 GMT
Pieters never played under Pulis, and didn't come to the club until over a month after Pulis had left. Now I'm not certain exactly how much Pulis had to do with signing him, if anything, but referring to him as Pulis Old Guard is stretching it a bit far. H
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 27, 2018 20:51:46 GMT
I dont know about unlikeable but it would be would great to have someone around, liked and respected by their own team mates.
I think mike doyle must be the most respected player I have seen at stoke... Everyone looked up to him
But dennis smith , mickey thomas, johhny eustace and our lord all had a massive prescence in their day.
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