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Post by hudsondays on Feb 17, 2018 21:43:48 GMT
Does anyone else find it slightly bizarre that our owners are offering an odd-on bet for us to be relegated?
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Feb 17, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
They are in the business of making money!
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Post by Gods on Feb 17, 2018 22:07:29 GMT
They are just in line with everyone else aren't they.
They couldn't/wouldn't really 'botch' the odds and risk some big bets.
I wondered if they could simply not offer the bet but that might not even be legal. Even if it were in a way it would draw attention to our plight more than offering an odds on bet does.
Basically they (and our club) are between a rock and a hard place on this one.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 17, 2018 22:16:41 GMT
Does anyone else find it slightly bizarre that our owners are offering an odd-on bet for us to be relegated? Dont the odds reflect the amounts of money that is bet by punters? |
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Post by greystokie on Feb 17, 2018 22:32:52 GMT
Given the size and range of their business i suspect that most of the money placed on us to be relegated will be from non Stoke fans. It's the nature of their business so why turn money away? The odds always favour the bookies so they'll make some money out of it. Hopefully some of it will find it's way into helping us rebuild next season, whatever division we're in.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2018 22:53:10 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have.  Allegedly. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 17, 2018 22:55:40 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have. Allegedly. Aye I can see that chief |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 17, 2018 22:59:59 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have. Allegedly. Bookies never lose in the long run. Cunts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 1:55:18 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have. Allegedly. Bookies never lose in the long run. Cunts. "Bookies" or to give them their full name "Bookmakers" simply provide a fully legal service for imbeciles that wish to be parted from their money, to allow them to do just that. It is that simple. The "Bookie" creates a book of betting. That bookie will then keep the book running ensuring that whatever the outcome of any betting situation is - he will win. What seems to be the problem here? I will not deny that some punters will win, but enough will lose to ensure a profit for the Bookie. It seems to me that quite a few people on here need to "grow up". |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 18, 2018 4:31:42 GMT
Bookies never lose in the long run. Cunts. "Bookies" or to give them their full name "Bookmakers" simply provide a fully legal service for imbeciles that wish to be parted from their money, to allow them to do just that. It is that simple. The "Bookie" creates a book of betting. That bookie will then keep the book running ensuring that whatever the outcome of any betting situation is - he will win. What seems to be the problem here? I will not deny that some punters will win, but enough will lose to ensure a profit for the Bookie. It seems to me that quite a few people on here need to "grow up". It was hardly a serious comment, but to be honest, I think they are pretty vile people on the whole, not much better than drug pushers. They thrive on other people's misery. Tricky Dicky, aged 4. |
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Post by 3putts on Feb 18, 2018 7:05:50 GMT
a bookie offering betting odds? who would have thought??
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Post by dhes2113 on Feb 18, 2018 7:31:24 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have. Allegedly. Bookies never lose in the long run. Cunts. |
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Post by dhes2113 on Feb 18, 2018 7:33:40 GMT
My Grandad used to say “you will never see a Bookie riding a bike!”.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:23:28 GMT
Bookies never lose in the long run. Cunts. "Bookies" or to give them their full name "Bookmakers" simply provide a fully legal service for imbeciles that wish to be parted from their money, to allow them to do just that. It is that simple. The "Bookie" creates a book of betting. That bookie will then keep the book running ensuring that whatever the outcome of any betting situation is - he will win. What seems to be the problem here? I will not deny that some punters will win, but enough will lose to ensure a profit for the Bookie. It seems to me that quite a few people on here need to "grow up". You wouldn't mind being one of those 'imbeciles' who got on Leicester at 5000/1 to win the Prem would you ? |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:26:01 GMT
Owners had 10 million on us when we about 7-1. Bit of insurance in case the worst happened and the reason they kept Hughes on 2 months longer than they should have. Allegedly. They wouldn't lay anybody bets to anywhere near that sort of money. You're joking of course. |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:28:18 GMT
My Grandad used to say “you will never see a Bookie riding a bike!”. You'd be surprised how many independent bookies have gone to the wall in recent years. A lot of small time racecourse bookies are skint. |
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Post by stoke111 on Feb 18, 2018 9:29:24 GMT
"Bookies" or to give them their full name "Bookmakers" simply provide a fully legal service for imbeciles that wish to be parted from their money, to allow them to do just that. It is that simple. The "Bookie" creates a book of betting. That bookie will then keep the book running ensuring that whatever the outcome of any betting situation is - he will win. What seems to be the problem here? I will not deny that some punters will win, but enough will lose to ensure a profit for the Bookie. It seems to me that quite a few people on here need to "grow up". You wouldn't mind being one of those 'imbeciles' who got on Leicester at 5000/1 to win the Prem would you ? But what about the millions that were put on the likes of Man City, ManU, Chelsea, Spurs throughout the season? Poor bookies had to pay out on 5000/1 for a few quid  |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:33:05 GMT
You wouldn't mind being one of those 'imbeciles' who got on Leicester at 5000/1 to win the Prem would you ? But what about the millions that were put on the likes of Man City, ManU, Chelsea, Spurs throughout the season? Poor bookies had to pay out on 5000/1 for a few quid Howdo you know there were millions bet on those events ? These are not generally deep markets. Just small time punters having a few quid on. They lost heavily on Leicester and it's a bet they are never going to repeat. |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:36:25 GMT
They are just in line with everyone else aren't they. They couldn't/wouldn't really 'botch' the odds and risk some big bets. I wondered if they could simply not offer the bet but that might not even be legal. Even if it were in a way it would draw attention to our plight more than offering an odds on bet does. Basically they (and our club) are between a rock and a hard place on this one. Bookmakers are not obliged by law to offer odds on any event. They usually do though or else they might lose business to competitors. |
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Post by stokecity4life on Feb 18, 2018 9:40:37 GMT
More astonishing than anything is that on SkyBet Southampton are 6-1 to get relegated this season.... with their run in (many away games and difficult last two games) and the fact they are currently third from bottom, that's ridiculously good value.
£50 placed.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 9:42:33 GMT
More astonishing than anything is that on SkyBet Southampton are 6-1 to get relegated this season.... with their run in (many away games and difficult last two games) and the fact they are currently third from bottom, that's ridiculously good value. £50 placed. Yeah 6/1 is good value. |
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Post by huuuuuth on Feb 18, 2018 9:46:25 GMT
More astonishing than anything is that on SkyBet Southampton are 6-1 to get relegated this season.... with their run in (many away games and difficult last two games) and the fact they are currently third from bottom, that's ridiculously good value. £50 placed. Yeah 6/1 is good value. They're probably odds-on now that 50 quid has gone on  |
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Post by Gods on Feb 18, 2018 9:53:54 GMT
More astonishing than anything is that on SkyBet Southampton are 6-1 to get relegated this season.... with their run in (many away games and difficult last two games) and the fact they are currently third from bottom, that's ridiculously good value. £50 placed. Good luck but I can't see it, Southampton have an excellent side and let's not forget a home game against us coming up ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:14:21 GMT
Does anyone else find it slightly bizarre that our owners are offering an odd-on bet for us to be relegated? Not really. The past 20-odd years show teams placed 19th at this stage of the season are relegated 60% of the time. As a betting company, whose odds, without manual override, are based on numerous algorithms which are heavily influenced by how much money is being bet by people, I'd find it infinitely more bizarre if we were even at 3-1. |
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Post by potterspele on Feb 18, 2018 10:14:21 GMT
But what about the millions that were put on the likes of Man City, ManU, Chelsea, Spurs throughout the season? Poor bookies had to pay out on 5000/1 for a few quid Howdo you know there were millions bet on those events ? These are not generally deep markets. Just small time punters having a few quid on. They lost heavily on Leicester and it's a bet they are never going to repeat. On an individual basis yes, I doubt they will offer 5000/1 again for a while but this is an industry that crows about their losses more than most. It's just good publicity. I think the biggest individual bet at that price was £20 so they were never giving away more than a million or 2 in total each. Factor in how many accumulators were buggered each week that season with the big teams inconsistency and I'll bet they made an absolute fortune. It wouldn't surprise me if the bets on just the premier league ante-post alone more than covered their losses. |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 10:17:16 GMT
They're probably odds-on now that 50 quid has gone on Well if they are odds-on he can lay those odds himself on a betting exchange for a guaranteed profit. Most punters are sportsmen though, not bookies so they are just on for a sporting bet . |
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2018 10:24:59 GMT
Howdo you know there were millions bet on those events ? These are not generally deep markets. Just small time punters having a few quid on. They lost heavily on Leicester and it's a bet they are never going to repeat. On an individual basis yes, I doubt they will offer 5000/1 again for a while but this is an industry that crows about their losses more than most. It's just good publicity. I think the biggest individual bet at that price was £20 so they were never giving away more than a million or 2 in total each. Factor in how many accumulators were buggered each week that season with the big teams inconsistency and I'll bet they made an absolute fortune. It wouldn't surprise me if the bets on just the premier league ante-post alone more than covered their losses. There were at least two £50 bets placed by Leicester fans that we know of. Big chain bookmakers these days make far more money from FOBT'S than football and horseracing. If they're forced down to £2 stakes on those, a lot of betting shops will close. |
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Post by stokecity4life on Feb 18, 2018 15:54:06 GMT
They're probably odds-on now that 50 quid has gone on Not quite 5.5-1 now  I see it as good value anyway at 6-1 when they are currently third from bottom and their run in is shocking. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 16:53:35 GMT
If I put £1 on us to go down we'll stay up for certain. I could fall in a barrow full of tits and come out sucking my thumb.
Hmm where to get £1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 17:03:28 GMT
They are in the business of making money! Agreed I'm afraid to say they probably ran the club along the lines of it being free advertising for them every week |
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