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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 12, 2018 16:20:38 GMT
Could this be our starting 11 come august with a few blanks where players have been sold
Grant
edwards. Shawx. Cameron. ?
? Adam. Ireland. ?
Bera diouf
Subs
haugaard
Tymon
Sweeney
Ngoy
Fletcher
Campbell
And maybe even bojan???
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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 16:22:51 GMT
berahino isn't worthy of Sunday league
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Post by jwhpotter on Feb 12, 2018 16:26:02 GMT
I posted something similar the other day and admin removed it - cheers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 16:33:26 GMT
We aren’t going to sell basically the whole of the first 11!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 12, 2018 16:35:35 GMT
Could this be our starting 11 come august with a few blanks where players have been sold Grant edwards. Shawx. Cameron. ? ? Adam. Ireland. ? Bera diouf Subs haugaard Tymon Sweeney Ngoy Fletcher Campbell And maybe even bojan??? A stupid post on so many levels. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 16:38:48 GMT
I think very very best we can hope for is:
Grant
Edwards Shawcross Indi Tymon
Adam New CM
New RM Bojan Ramadan
New st/Berahino
We're definitely losing:
Butland, Shaq, Allen, Badou, Pieters, Cameron, Choupo, Bauer, Diouf.
Likely add Wimmer, Fletcher, Crouch, Afellay, Bojan, Indi, Ramadan to that, but we might be able to persuade a couple of those to stay if we're lucky.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 16:45:22 GMT
I’d like to think the 2 new lads will give us a season if we dropped. I’d go with
.......................New GK...................
Bauer........Ryan........Indi..........Eric
................Badou.......New CM........
Ramadan..........Bojan..........New W
....................New Centre F..............
Bench
Wimmer
Berahino
Campbell
Diouf
Cameron
Fletcher (god help us)
Edwards
Tymon
Imbula
I think only Shaq, Butland and Allen will defo go.
It’s up to the board to keep our best players to stay.
I’d imagine we’ll loan Imbula.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 12, 2018 16:46:43 GMT
I think very very best we can hope for is: Grant Edwards Shawcross Indi Tymon Adam New CM New RM Bojan Ramadan New st/Berahino We're definitely losing: Butland, Shaq, Allen, Badou, Pieters, Cameron, Choupo, Bauer, Diouf. Likely add Wimmer, Fletcher, Crouch, Afellay, Bojan, Indi, Ramadan to that, but we might be able to persuade a couple of those to stay if we're lucky. If you say so, it must be right. Even more ludicrous than the OP. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 16:52:44 GMT
I think very very best we can hope for is: Grant Edwards Shawcross Indi Tymon Adam New CM New RM Bojan Ramadan New st/Berahino We're definitely losing: Butland, Shaq, Allen, Badou, Pieters, Cameron, Choupo, Bauer, Diouf. Likely add Wimmer, Fletcher, Crouch, Afellay, Bojan, Indi, Ramadan to that, but we might be able to persuade a couple of those to stay if we're lucky. If you say so, it must be right. Even more ludicrous than the OP. I'm only guessing. do you think we'll keep more or less? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2018 16:54:44 GMT
I’d like to think the 2 new lads will give us a season if we dropped. I’d go with .......................New GK................... Bauer........Ryan........Indi..........Eric ................Badou.......New CM........ Ramadan..........Bojan..........New W ....................New Centre F.............. Bench Wimmer Berahino Campbell Diouf Cameron Fletcher (god help us) Edwards Tymon Pretty much agree with that. I'd expect BMI, Shawcross, Bauer and Pieters to stay. Grant will probably be given a chance to start too Badou hopefully too, but he could well have negotiated a clause with this in mind given when he joined. Cameron? Possibly, although he'll be 33 and could fancy a season or two in MLS. It'd be time to say goodbye to Adam and Fletcher. Probably Ireland too, although not really sure why he's been exiled after his promising game at Man Utd. Tymon wouldn't be up to it. God only knows with Wimmer. The whole thing is crazy. Diouf wouldn't get the goals needed to fire a promotion challenge but could be useful off the bench along with Crouch. Bojan? Not sure it'd be the best move for him or us, although with 2 years left on 60k, it's hard to see him joining anyone else. Same with Imbula with 4 years left on £3.5m-a-year. Berahino is a dead loss and won't be of any use at any level. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 12, 2018 16:55:40 GMT
I’d like to think the 2 new lads will give us a season if we dropped. I’d go with .......................New GK................... Bauer........Ryan........Indi..........Eric ................Badou.......New CM........ Ramadan..........Bojan..........New W ....................New Centre F.............. Bench Wimmer Berahino Campbell Diouf Cameron Fletcher (god help us) Edwards Tymon Imbula I think only Shaq, Butland and Allen will defo go. It’s up to the board to keep our best players to stay. I’d imagine we’ll loan Imbula. Bojan would get bummed into a hospice if he ever took the field in the Championship. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 12, 2018 16:56:15 GMT
Could this be our starting 11 come august with a few blanks where players have been sold Grant edwards. Shawx. Cameron. ? ? Adam. Ireland. ? Bera diouf Subs haugaard Tymon Sweeney Ngoy Fletcher Campbell And maybe even bojan??? A stupid post on so many levels. 😀😀 Stupid yes but you took the time to reply to it 😀😀 |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 12, 2018 17:00:35 GMT
If we get relegated -
Grant
Bauer, Shawcross, Indi, Pieters
Cameron, Ndiaye
Choupo, Adam, Ramadan/New winger?
Berahino/Campbell
I think the only ones will be going will be Zouma (loan ends), Jese (loan ends) Shaq (return to Europe after World Cup), Allen (to keep his welsh caps alive however I think he may actually stay for one season), Butland (top 6 club, especially after World Cup, even if we stay up), Crouch (retired or other low to mid Premier League club), Bojan (spain), Muniesa (spain) Ireland (end of contract), Diouf (may stay but likely to go to Europe).
I think Ramadan is another possibility to leave only if he has a good World Cup and unless Badou or Bauer have a release clause, then they have not been here long enough for other teams to look at them yet - perhaps during next season if we are floundering or a good world cup for Badou may change that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2018 17:01:21 GMT
Afellay's got a year left too. Blimey, that extension looks rushed and ill-judged in hindsight.
But think we can safely say he wouldn't be featuring in the Championship for us.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 12, 2018 17:13:50 GMT
Butland and shaqiri would go. We will get 50 million plus for those two.
Spend twenty mill of it on a striker and hard as nails defensive midfielder.
Grant
Bauer shawcross Bruno Pieters
Allen. NewCm? Ndiaye
Diouf NEwCf Choupo
It wouldn't take much ambition for us top have easily the strongest squad in that division. I know its tough down there with a lot of games but we should bounce straight back
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 12, 2018 17:36:41 GMT
Why are you posting this? At least have the decency to those of us that haven't completely given and keep this to the day when / if we go down
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2018 18:40:59 GMT
Jack Butland (sell)
Lee Grant (retain)
Jakob Haugaard (release)
Kurt Zouma (return)
Kevin Wimmer (sell if anybody's daft enough)
Bruno Martins Indi (retain if possible)
Ryan Shawcross (retain if possible)
Erik Pieters (retain)
Konstantinos Stafylidis (return)
Glen Johnson (release)
Moritz Bauer (retain if possible)
Tom Edwards (retain)
Geoff Cameron (sell)
Joe Allen (sell)
Badou Ndiaye (retain if possible)
Charlie Adam (release)
Darren Fletcher (give a free if he can find another club)
Ibrahim Afellay (sell)
Stephen Ireland (release)
Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (sell)
Jesé (return)
Ramadan Sobhi (retain)
Xherdan Shaqiri (sell)
Saido Berahino (sell if possible)
Mame Diouf (sell)
Peter Crouch (give a free transfer if he can find another club)
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Post by greenhuff on Feb 12, 2018 18:45:12 GMT
I can't imagine Fletcher and Adam coping with the Championship.I have seen a few games this season and its fast and furious.They'd be flat out on their arses after 25 minutes
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 12, 2018 18:45:29 GMT
We're not down yet. As Gimli would say. "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 12, 2018 19:32:01 GMT
People who write "ShawX" are the absolute worst.
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Post by stokeykez on Feb 12, 2018 19:48:08 GMT
I'd like to think we would keep ndiaye . Contract negotiations would have mentioned the likelihood of if we get relegated, same as Bauer.
Stoke have to be firm with such players and you would hope the parachute payments would secure the wage structure of the players
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2018 20:39:15 GMT
I'd like to think we would keep ndiaye . Contract negotiations would have mentioned the likelihood of if we get relegated, same as Bauer. Stoke have to be firm with such players and you would hope the parachute payments would secure the wage structure of the players Could work either way the threat of relegation was clear when they joined. If we were very desperate to get them and they were in demand they may have negotiated to be released for reduced fees if we get relegated. On the other hand we should have been aware enough of our predicament to insist upon reduced wages in the event of relegation. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 12, 2018 20:55:07 GMT
People who write "ShawX" are the absolute worst. No way. The worst are those who write Gcam Followed by those that write SJW then third shawx with a new entry of lambo joining the worst of the worstest. Thx |
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Post by rorystowel on Feb 12, 2018 21:03:27 GMT
I posted something similar the other day and admin removed it - cheers The exact same happened to me! Very bizarre censorship going on here... I give this thread another 5 minutes before it’s gone. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 21:07:42 GMT
Jack Butland (sell) Lee Grant (retain) Jakob Haugaard (release) Kurt Zouma (return) Kevin Wimmer (sell if anybody's daft enough) Bruno Martins Indi (retain if possible) Ryan Shawcross (retain if possible) Erik Pieters (retain) Konstantinos Stafylidis (return) Glen Johnson (release) Moritz Bauer (retain if possible) Tom Edwards (retain) Geoff Cameron (sell) Joe Allen (sell) Badou Ndiaye (retain if possible) Charlie Adam (release) Darren Fletcher (give a free if he can find another club) Ibrahim Afellay (sell) Stephen Ireland (release) Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (sell) Jesé (return) Ramadan Sobhi (retain) Xherdan Shaqiri (sell) Saido Berahino (sell if possible) Mame Diouf (sell) Peter Crouch (give a free transfer if he can find another club) I think that's all absolutely spot on. A back five of Grant/Bauer/Shawcross/BMI/Pieters, with Badou and Ramadan in front of them would be a bloody good base to start with, with us probably needing 4 new key first team players. You would think the sales of Butland/Shaqiri/Allen/Choupo would net us something in the region of £80-90 million, so there's no reason for us to be short of funds in the transfer market. The issue is obviously going to be who the manager is and who is going to be responsible for recruitment. What we do about Berahino, Bojan, Imbula and Wimmer, I have absolutely no idea. |
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Post by jwhpotter on Feb 12, 2018 21:08:47 GMT
I posted something similar the other day and admin removed it - cheers The exact same happened to me! Very bizarre censorship going on here... I give this thread another 5 minutes before it’s gone. They clearly favour certain posters! |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 12, 2018 21:11:22 GMT
Could this be our starting 11 come august with a few blanks where players have been sold Grant edwards. Shawx. Cameron. ? ? Adam. Ireland. ? Bera diouf Subs haugaard Tymon Sweeney Ngoy Fletcher Campbell And maybe even bojan??? Possible lottery numbers this Saturday 1, 5 , 13, 18 , 22 34, 38 |
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Post by rorystowel on Feb 12, 2018 21:14:05 GMT
Could this be our starting 11 come august with a few blanks where players have been sold Grant edwards. Shawx. Cameron. ? ? Adam. Ireland. ? Bera diouf Subs haugaard Tymon Sweeney Ngoy Fletcher Campbell And maybe even bojan??? I think we’d keep Ramadan down the left but would have to buy a RW. Maybe Muniesa would return in defence. |
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Post by robstokie on Feb 12, 2018 21:18:00 GMT
I think our squad should look something like this
GK
Grant
New GK (either a promising youngster or a championship standard who can push Grant)
DF
Ryan
BMI/New CB
Muni/New CB
Sweeney
Souttar?
Bauer
Edwards
Pieters
Tymon/New LB
MF
NDiaye
GCam
Fletcher/New Holding Mid
New CM
Bojan/New CAM
Choupo
Sobhi
New winger
Verlinden?
ST
Diouf
Crouch/New Target Man
Campbell
NGoy
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 21:54:51 GMT
Jack Butland (sell) Lee Grant (retain) Jakob Haugaard (release) Kurt Zouma (return) Kevin Wimmer (sell if anybody's daft enough) Bruno Martins Indi (retain if possible) Ryan Shawcross (retain if possible) Erik Pieters (retain) Konstantinos Stafylidis (return) Glen Johnson (release) Moritz Bauer (retain if possible) Tom Edwards (retain) Geoff Cameron (sell) Joe Allen (sell) Badou Ndiaye (retain if possible) Charlie Adam (release) Darren Fletcher (give a free if he can find another club) Ibrahim Afellay (sell) Stephen Ireland (release) Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (sell) Jesé (return) Ramadan Sobhi (retain) Xherdan Shaqiri (sell) Saido Berahino (sell if possible) Mame Diouf (sell) Peter Crouch (give a free transfer if he can find another club) Good list. My only Question - when you look at teams a year on from their drop, haven't they changed more radically than some have posted above? This list feels like the right number going. Would just think about the economics that we need to trim 40m off our 90m wage bill (as we head to the levels of Derby 26m and Leeds 18m over the parachute payment period - Villa are an anomaly and in trouble, if they don't make it up this year). It stops being about what players are worth and just the existential need to get rid! So I'd be potentially considering releasing a few to save £5m-£10m on each over the term of the rest of their contracts. While this sounds negative, it clears the slate for rebuilding more quickly - the deadwood, financial millstones and stench of past mistakes gone. Get 60m for Butland, Shaq and Allen - and get rid of Beharinho, Imbula, Wimmer (perhaps) and Fletcher. We might then we able to invest some back in a proven operators at this level; add a couple of starlets on loan and make up the squad with useful injury-free, non mentally-impaired, two-legged freebies. I'd also sell Sobhi reluctantly - he's good, but he's here at the wrong time and will be hacked to bits next year. So, I'm going radical - "Operation Bounce." 442 Grant Bauer ShawX Lees Pieters Adomah N Diaye Luongo ECM Diouf Gayle Subs: Edwards, Cameron, Campbell, Tymon, Gap1 (CM), Gap2 (GK), Crouch, Outs: Shaq (Roma, 20m), Butland (Livp 22m), Allen (Swansea 15m), Imbula (effectively free to Torino- fee used to sub his wage drop), Fletcher (retired/medical grounds), BMI (Nice, 7m), Adam (Rangers, eoc free), Wimmer (loan to Hamburg), Sobhi (Monaco, 10m+add ons), Beharinho (Celtic, loan to buy), Bojan (Celtic, 1m). TOTAL = £75m Ins: Dwight Gayle (8m), Lees (SW 4m), Loungo (QPR 6m), Adomah (Villa, 3m), Loanee 1=CM=Foden, Diaz, Winks, Loanee 2: Danny Ward. Any opportunistic and semi-useful freebies too: e.g. Yacob (WBA), Arfield (Burnley) - TOTAL = £20m www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1/jahr/2018/plus/1/page/3Yes, i know its BS btw :-) |
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