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Post by davyboy on Feb 11, 2018 10:35:37 GMT
We have to face facts. The board are completely to blame for the mess that we find ourselves in. We have been on the slide for at least 18 months and yet they have failed to invest properly in the club E.g. 2 full backs and goalscorer at the start of the season. Coates' misguided loyalty and dithering in not sacking Hughes earlier is looking likely to condemn us to the Championship. Currently does anyone realistically think we will bounce back at the first attempt. I have some sympathy with Lambert. Like a lot of supporters he would not have been my choice, but if the board had acted sooner then we could have had a number of decent managers who could have saved our season. You just cannot see, given how we are playing, that we can achieve four wins. We are pedestrian going forward and d not have the players to score regularly enough for us to win. It will be interesting to see what is on offer when the Early Bird is available. We are going to lose a lot of support and our best players. I am usually an optimist oabout our team. Currently I see nothing but pessimism.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 11, 2018 10:36:34 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2018 10:40:35 GMT
We have to face facts. The board are completely to blame for the mess that we find ourselves in. We have been on the slide for at least 18 months and yet they have failed to invest properly in the club E.g. 2 full backs and goalscorer at the start of the season. Coates' misguided loyalty and dithering in not sacking Hughes earlier is looking likely to condemn us to the Championship. Currently does anyone realistically think we will bounce back at the first attempt. I have some sympathy with Lambert. Like a lot of supporters he would not have been my choice, but if the board had acted sooner then we could have had a number of decent managers who could have saved our season. You just cannot see, given how we are playing, that we can achieve four wins. We are pedestrian going forward and d not have the players to score regularly enough for us to win. It will be interesting to see what is on offer when the Early Bird is available. We are going to lose a lot of support and our best players. I am usually an optimist oabout our team. Currently I see nothing but pessimism. Mate I don't think there are many on here who disagree with you but every single point you raise has been done to death time and time again on virtually every thread started over the last 18 months. Not to come over all Davef's Thread Police on you but did it really warrant a new thread? You could have taken your pick of at least a dozen on the first page alone to attach it to. |
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Post by davyboy on Feb 11, 2018 10:43:55 GMT
I appreciate what you are saying but it just shows the frustration and anger that myself and most good Stokies feel
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Post by homer32 on Feb 11, 2018 10:51:47 GMT
We have to face facts. The board are completely to blame for the mess that we find ourselves in. We have been on the slide for at least 18 months and yet they have failed to invest properly in the club E.g. 2 full backs and goalscorer at the start of the season. Coates' misguided loyalty and dithering in not sacking Hughes earlier is looking likely to condemn us to the Championship. Currently does anyone realistically think we will bounce back at the first attempt. I have some sympathy with Lambert. Like a lot of supporters he would not have been my choice, but if the board had acted sooner then we could have had a number of decent managers who could have saved our season. You just cannot see, given how we are playing, that we can achieve four wins. We are pedestrian going forward and d not have the players to score regularly enough for us to win. It will be interesting to see what is on offer when the Early Bird is available. We are going to lose a lot of support and our best players. I am usually an optimist oabout our team. Currently I see nothing but pessimism. That is absolutely spot on.Not replacing Hughes earlier is certainly going to get us relegated.Coates's infamous comment " what's all the fuss about" will haunt him for the rest of his days. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2018 10:59:13 GMT
I appreciate what you are saying but it just shows the frustration and anger that myself and most good Stokies feel I agree mate and I can assure you there's been no-one more frustrated than me over the last 12-18 months both with the way the club has been run and the team managed. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 11, 2018 11:01:36 GMT
It would help if somebody from the club I.E Coates or Scholes had the balls to say yes we fucked up badly we should have listened to the supporters & got rid of Hughes & co at the end of last season. It will never happen because we do not matter in all of this & thats what really grinds with me the way we are treated with contempt (whats all the fuss about) perhaps you should pay more attention to the die hard fans Mr Coates because some of them could do a better job than you have done over the last 2 years.
I hope next season when your sitting there watching us in the championship with gates between 12k & 15k you realize the golden chance that you have wasted by dithering & penny pinching.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 11, 2018 11:15:11 GMT
100 percent yes. Mistake after mistake and trying to do it in the cheap.
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Post by harrysburrow on Feb 11, 2018 11:18:35 GMT
Sometimes, when you're really, really pissed off about something, you feel like you have to make you're own, specific comment on the subject?
Davyboy's new thread is a rhetorical one really - and totally understandable.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 11, 2018 11:24:42 GMT
We were relegated at the end of last season when the board failed to replace Hughes then.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 11, 2018 11:25:25 GMT
Coates "what's all the fuss about"comment will probably go down in history with the famous "let them eat cake" from Marie Antoinette,absolutely mind blowingly ignorant!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 11:46:22 GMT
Everyone has seen this coming. Except those at the top! Inexcusable! Can you see us winning at Leicester. No. Man City at home. No. A disgrace! Incompetence. Yes!
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 11, 2018 12:53:39 GMT
Completely, utterly, 200% agree with this. If we go down the Board are to blame. Sparky lost it, went into denial and self-justification, what else would you expect a football manager to do? This is supposed to be one of the few Prem clubs run by real football people - if so, they haven't watched the same games as the rest of us.
Top and obvious answer was replace Hughes last summer.
Second top answer which you'd need to have been blind, deaf and dumb to miss was replace him in November latest.
Replacing in January may give us a small advantage over not replacing but that's all. Far too little, far too late and whether Lambert meant to be the person applying for the promotion campaign job, if he's competent and keeps the egos in order while we slide gently through the trapdoor, the job is probably his and fair play to him.
The Board have been grossly inept, or at least appear to be to the majority of fans. I badly want to know the real story of how the club and Bet365 engaged over the slow decision to sack Hughes. Here's what I sensed at the time, maybe it's way wrong but the truth is easy enough to tell, no? I reckon PC made the correct calls. Denise then had to sign off the dosh to pay Leslie'a termination £4.5 million, we won a game so she said nah, hold on, the boys kind of agreed and while we went round that cycle twice more, that was - I so hope this isn't true - our Prem future gone, at least in the short term. I just don't believe she's a football woman, she's the family member with the economic power and that's not a good position for SCFC right now.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 11, 2018 12:56:48 GMT
Yep, they've fucked it.
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 11, 2018 12:58:38 GMT
I appreciate what you are saying but it just shows the frustration and anger that myself and most good Stokies feel By repeating yourself, very boring tbh.The most pathetic ain't you, what team v Leicester is the best, 2 weeks time, anything can happen, anybody think even the manager knows.Is this internet fantasy football again. |
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Post by stokeykez on Feb 11, 2018 13:00:52 GMT
The last 3-4 transfer windows the board have tried to be cute in loan signings and penny pinching.
We are now in a situation where staffy, zouma, jese will all depart at the end of the season. Allen, shaqiri and butland will all leave for clubs like bloody West ham and Bournemouth at the end of the season.
I pray we can keep hold of Bauer and ndiaye. But at this rate we will head into the championship with a squad full of holes and some serious recruitment needed to cover the loans we have had.
Crouch , choupo and berahino will come down with us and be part of the championship squad. Thats a worrying thought itself. The age of our squad when you have Fletcher, Adam, Ireland as your main midfield.
My worry is that even if we go down we have to rebuild more than if we stay up. The only bright light is that we may well have a decent championship striker in the making in Campbell.
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Post by lancer on Feb 11, 2018 16:24:08 GMT
As a life long supporter, and I also mean a LONG life supporter of 69 years, I have never felt so sad and angry at what is happening to my club. We have a mega rich family at the helm of our club. We are in the Premier league of English (World) football with unbelievable millions of money being poured into the club by the TV owned FA, and yet we still still want to run the club on bargain basement or free transfer, past it players.FFS. we haven't had the stand roof blown off have we? We got rid of Whelan, sadly obviously PAST his best, and bring in Fletcher- OLDER THAN WHELAN AND ALSO PAST IT- to replace him, from the Baggies, a perpetually struggling club.We don't play Cameron, who, say what you will, can and will run, and gives the team a lot. We brought Berahino from the Baggies then didn't play him because HE WASN'T FIT!.We brought in Imbula who promised the moon, and gave us two good game. We brought in Sohbi then don't play him. I'm utterly confused. What the fuck is going on at SCFC? We are starting our games with Crouch, a true star but now too old a player as our strike force, alternatively Diouf who can run all day but can't play football,he couldn't trap a bag of cement, and CAN'T SCORE GOALS.We let a fighter like Bardsley go and retain Johnson, a joke defender.Same when we got rid of Huth, Ryans perfect partner, our Bloor and Smith look alike. We sign a left back with pace- el Greco- but stick with Pieters, a decent player but not Prem league quality. We let good young players go out on loan when they are at least as good as what now passes our starting eleven (We can't score goals, we can't keep goals out, (can the youngsters do any worse?)), we are by many yards the slowest tea in the Prem. We hung on to a manager who was well past his sell by date after we got rid of players that the hated TP (not by me) brought in, and started to slide. We had a chairman to whom we should be gratefully thankful for what he did, that let all his good work go by hanging on to Hughes. We are forever looking for bargain payers, and when you get bargain players, they are players and agents that are looking after themselves. What the hell is going on at SCFC?  I'm pissed up, and pissed off, so excuse me if I've offended anyone.  |
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Post by chayzenbacon on Feb 11, 2018 16:51:24 GMT
Is it any consolation that in 3 months time the club will be worth several times less than it would have been 3 years ago, meaning that the owners have caused a major loss of asset value through their own mismanagement?
It doesn't make me feel any better, especially as they now have so much money that a loss of tens of millions of pounds won't actually cause them any hardship but I throw it out there just in case anyone else wants to hold onto it.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 11, 2018 16:57:08 GMT
" fiddled whilst Rome burns " is a phrase that springs to mind .
the club has reeked of complacency for a couple of years at least and now its too late , some of those deals where we didn't go the extra mile to get done and the dithering over sacking Hughes is going to cost at least Pogba and Possibly a Neymar over the years to come .
We might boo him but sadly Arnie was right
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 11, 2018 16:59:36 GMT
Never mind we have a championship squad to cope and lets face it these days a championship ground. All that fuss over filling in the corner. Bet they wished they had saved the money as they are not too keen on spending after Hughes wasted so much. Understandable that they were apprehensive over spending millions, but as they stuck with Hughes they should have backed him this time around. Like many others I feel he should have gone in the summer and Moyes would have been my choice, voiced at the time.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2018 17:00:51 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:04:27 GMT
Of course it's the Board's fault.
A combination of cicumstance under their control.
1. Three big money signings that have all failed spectacularly. Something a club the size of Stoke cannot cope with. These signings will have ramifications for years to come.
2. Not backing or sacking Hughes in the summer.
3. Sparky's brainfart tactically at start of season. Which we hadn't got the players for.
4. Peter Coates retirement as Chairman of the Club should have been sympathetically managed last summer. Some of his recent statements are beyond belief and he is obviously showing his age. It happens to us all eventually.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 11, 2018 17:06:03 GMT
The blame game is pointless. We are where we are until the end of the season, whether you like it or not you are just getting angry over something you have no control over, let's just get on with it , stirring up negativity isn't going to help anyone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 17:07:58 GMT
The blame game is pointless. We are where we are until the end of the season, whether you like it or not you are just getting angry over something you have no control over, let's just get on with it , stirring up negativity isn't going to help anyone. It could help the club in the long term. If people had woken up sooner it could have avoided this mess. |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:09:43 GMT
The blame game is pointless. We are where we are until the end of the season, whether you like it or not you are just getting angry over something you have no control over, let's just get on with it , stirring up negativity isn't going to help anyone. It could help the club in the long term. If people had woken up sooner it could have avoided this mess. Who do you mean? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 17:13:23 GMT
It could help the club in the long term. If people had woken up sooner it could have avoided this mess. Who do you mean? People thought we were fine when it was pretty clear we weren't. Apathy set it and it will take a long time to shift it. |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:15:29 GMT
People thought we were fine when it was pretty clear we weren't. Apathy set it and it will take a long time to shift it. Which people though? The fans? The Oatcake? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 17:17:15 GMT
People thought we were fine when it was pretty clear we weren't. Apathy set it and it will take a long time to shift it. Which people though? The fans? The Oatcake? The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:19:51 GMT
Which people though? The fans? The Oatcake? The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. But it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Do you honestly think that Peter Coates would have listened to the dissenting voice of fans a few months ago? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 17:21:26 GMT
The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. But it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Do you honestly think that Peter Coates would have listened to the dissenting voice of fans a few months ago? I don't think it should have been months ago. And if it got to a certain point then yes I do. |
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