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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:23:02 GMT
Which people though? The fans? The Oatcake? The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. In my opinion the recruitment team and the lack of recruitment are the main reasons we are in this mess. Sad. Very sad.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 11, 2018 17:42:04 GMT
Given the miserable end to last season, the practically empty stadium for the ‘lap of honour’ should have set the alarm bells ringing for the board and Hughes should have been shown the door. Almost unforgivably they allowed him to continue, and didn’t really back him in the summer.
Even then performances early on the season meant those alarm bells should have been bothering them so much they needed to take action. What we got instead was Coates coming out and saying that he “didn’t know what the fuss is about”. Christ allfucking mighty.
We then proceed to dither and finally the board see fit to get rid of Hughes, but months too late. They then waste an obscene amount of time chasing QSF and being publicly humiliated, taking us well into the transfer window and leaving the new manager very little time to get the right players though the door.
Everyone knows that for Diouf, for all his enthusiasm and endeavour is very limited and not the solution. Everyone knows that Crouch shouldn’t be starting games at this level. Everyone knows that Berahino is an unfit, overweight waste of space. And yet we didn’t bring in a striker, chasing Danny Ings when it was obvious he wasn’t coming once it was clear Sturridge was on the move.
Unforgivable, Coates Snr and Jnr, the rest of the board, Cartwright and Scholes need to hang their heads in shame. Scholes and Cartwright should be finding themselves out of a job.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 17:43:23 GMT
The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. In my opinion the recruitment team and the lack of recruitment are the main reasons we are in this mess. Sad. Very sad. The board in general. And it is sad.
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Post by milky on Feb 11, 2018 17:45:47 GMT
It's become apparent they are trying to run the club like Arkwrights corner shop .
I can only presume Scholes is Granville!
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 17:46:09 GMT
In my opinion the recruitment team and the lack of recruitment are the main reasons we are in this mess. Sad. Very sad. The board in general. And it is sad. Yes...I said that previously. Whatever happens it is ultimately the Board's responsibility.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2018 17:52:27 GMT
The board in general. And it is sad. Yes...I said that previously. Whatever happens it is ultimately the Board's responsibility. Let’s be clear the recruitment team is led by coates jnr , scholes and Cartwright , the most senior executive director is scholes , John coates is a given understandably he therefore needs supporting with real commercial gravitas and football experience of the highest credibility at the highest level , scholes Cartwright and the current management team they re-cruised so embarrassingly have to go on the day the season ends , and this time we need a plan in place .
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Post by Northy on Feb 11, 2018 17:58:18 GMT
At least we have a quality training ground to attract great players to ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:59:10 GMT
Get the practice in for our final games of the season. Bye bye Premier, Premier bye bye!
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Post by Northy on Feb 11, 2018 17:59:15 GMT
Yes...I said that previously. Whatever happens it is ultimately the Board's responsibility. Let’s be clear the recruitment team is led by coates jnr , scholes and Cartwright , the most senior executive director is scholes , John coates is a given understandably he therefore needs supporting with real commercial gravitas and football experience of the highest credibility at the highest level , scholes Cartwright and the current management team they re-cruised so embarrassingly have to go on the day the season ends , and this time we need a plan in place . Is that definite about Coates junior?
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 18:17:08 GMT
Yes...I said that previously. Whatever happens it is ultimately the Board's responsibility. Let’s be clear the recruitment team is led by coates jnr , scholes and Cartwright , the most senior executive director is scholes , John coates is a given understandably he therefore needs supporting with real commercial gravitas and football experience of the highest credibility at the highest level , scholes Cartwright and the current management team they re-cruised so embarrassingly have to go on the day the season ends , and this time we need a plan in place . You don't know that Benjamin. You don't know anymore than any of us. You can pontificate and preen your "I told you so" victory feathers all you like but in the end game you are as in the dark as the rest of us. The only good that COULD come from this utter shambles is that one of the family gets the Club executive management by the scruff of the neck and shakes it until it can come up with some credible resurrection plan.
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Post by waddosnavy on Feb 11, 2018 18:24:28 GMT
We've seen how lacking of pace and creative ideas the first team have. I am also concerned that with no youth players coming through, the same poor coaching/training regime has been throughout the club. So whilst we have no footballing expertise on the Board, would it not be a good idea to try to appoint Smithy or Pej on some sort of advisory position to the board. Having come through a very successful youth set up at the club, and extensive top flight experience they could give the club direction we are clearly lacking and pave the way to a more successful future that the present incumbents are capable of doing.
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 11, 2018 18:32:54 GMT
It's become apparent they are trying to run the club like Arkwrights corner shop . I can only presume Scholes is Granville! To be competitive in the prem you have To buy a genuine prem striker So palace spent big on benteke ( on balance a failure) West ham got in arnautovic and hernandez Swansea.. First llorente, then tammy abraham Wba.. Rodriguez and sturridge And those are the teams struggling at the bottom! Our board are obsessed with trying to find some cheapskate way of staying up in the prem without paying prem money for a prem striker It's almost inevitable this is only going to end one way
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2018 18:41:06 GMT
People will probably take the piss but I was truly flabbergasted when I was told this today and to me it sums us up beautifully.
You can't pay for stuff on the concourse with your card.
I don't buy stuff so never knew this but how out of touch is that?
I just presumed you could because why the hell wouldn't you be able to?
It's that sort of thing that is small but shows the half arsed nature of how we're run and that permeates into every facet of the club.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2018 18:45:06 GMT
Let’s be clear the recruitment team is led by coates jnr , scholes and Cartwright , the most senior executive director is scholes , John coates is a given understandably he therefore needs supporting with real commercial gravitas and football experience of the highest credibility at the highest level , scholes Cartwright and the current management team they re-cruised so embarrassingly have to go on the day the season ends , and this time we need a plan in place . You don't know that Benjamin. You don't know anymore than any of us. You can pontificate and preen your "I told you so" victory feathers all you like but in the end game you are as in the dark as the rest of us. The only good that COULD come from this utter shambles is that one of the family gets the Club executive management by the scruff of the neck and shakes it until it can come up with some credible resurrection plan. Which bit don’t i know. The recruitment team is public knowledge , scholes and John coates were name checked and pictured with Lambert on his appointment , cartwrights job is finding players by definition that makes them the recruitment team , it’s not supposition on my part . Scholes is the chief executive paid very serious money to be accountable for the clubs performance off the field .again no supposition on my part public knowledge
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Post by numfar on Feb 11, 2018 18:57:50 GMT
You don't know that Benjamin. You don't know anymore than any of us. You can pontificate and preen your "I told you so" victory feathers all you like but in the end game you are as in the dark as the rest of us. The only good that COULD come from this utter shambles is that one of the family gets the Club executive management by the scruff of the neck and shakes it until it can come up with some credible resurrection plan. Which bit don’t i know. The recruitment team is public knowledge , scholes and John coates were name checked and pictured with Lambert on his appointment , cartwrights job is finding players by definition that makes them the recruitment team , it’s not supposition on my part . Scholes is the chief executive paid very serious money to be accountable for the clubs performance off the field .again no supposition on my part public knowledge Check out that picture again. John does not look a happy chap at all in that picture.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2018 19:01:34 GMT
Which bit don’t i know. The recruitment team is public knowledge , scholes and John coates were name checked and pictured with Lambert on his appointment , cartwrights job is finding players by definition that makes them the recruitment team , it’s not supposition on my part . Scholes is the chief executive paid very serious money to be accountable for the clubs performance off the field .again no supposition on my part public knowledge Check out that picture again. John does not look a happy chap at all in that picture. Happy or not he signed off the recruitment of the current manager and back room staff
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 11, 2018 19:03:02 GMT
If we go down I don’t think we will get back up anytime soon. We need “The Board”, especially the Owners, to want to stick around. Otherwise we’re fucked financially and without the Prem money and with very expensive squad players, that no one will pay for, we will need the backing of The Coates family.
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Post by potterglen on Feb 11, 2018 19:23:01 GMT
The blame game is pointless. We are where we are until the end of the season, whether you like it or not you are just getting angry over something you have no control over, let's just get on with it , stirring up negativity isn't going to help anyone. So you never feel enlightened after a good rant?
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 20:15:54 GMT
You don't know that Benjamin. You don't know anymore than any of us. You can pontificate and preen your "I told you so" victory feathers all you like but in the end game you are as in the dark as the rest of us. The only good that COULD come from this utter shambles is that one of the family gets the Club executive management by the scruff of the neck and shakes it until it can come up with some credible resurrection plan. Which bit don’t i know. The recruitment team is public knowledge , scholes and John coates were name checked and pictured with Lambert on his appointment , cartwrights job is finding players by definition that makes them the recruitment team , it’s not supposition on my part . Scholes is the chief executive paid very serious money to be accountable for the clubs performance off the field .again no supposition on my part public knowledge You don't know that Coates Junior is head of the recruitment team at all. Cartwright I would imagine will "identify" possible players. The key to it is does the manager have any input. For example did Hughes want Berahino, Imbula and Wimmer.? I would imagine that Scholes sorts out the salary and terms etc. And in all this where is Lord Peter? Is he just a figurehead? It would be interesting to see who the Lambert selection panel consisted of and if it was a unanimous decision.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 20:22:27 GMT
Check out that picture again. John does not look a happy chap at all in that picture. Happy or not he signed off the recruitment of the current manager and back room staff I definitely think that the signings of the terrible trio has impacted on the Club. Whoever signs the cheques must have the collywobbles after flushing away best part of 45 million.
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Post by 1982stokie on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:58 GMT
Which people though? The fans? The Oatcake? The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. I seem to remember when people said they were concerned about survival this season or predicted Relagation they were called nicker wetters and told to man up, don't hear much of that now, we simply sleep walked into this it's being heart breaking to watch.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 11, 2018 20:54:02 GMT
The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. I seem to remember when people said they were concerned about survival this season or predicted Relagation they were called nicker wetters and told to man up, don't hear much of that now, we simply sleep walked into this it's being heart breaking to watch. But what could have the fans done? Do you honestly think we could have influenced anything?
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Post by march4 on Feb 11, 2018 20:57:58 GMT
We have to face facts. The board are completely to blame for the mess that we find ourselves in. We have been on the slide for at least 18 months and yet they have failed to invest properly in the club E.g. 2 full backs and goalscorer at the start of the season. Coates' misguided loyalty and dithering in not sacking Hughes earlier is looking likely to condemn us to the Championship. Currently does anyone realistically think we will bounce back at the first attempt. I have some sympathy with Lambert. Like a lot of supporters he would not have been my choice, but if the board had acted sooner then we could have had a number of decent managers who could have saved our season. You just cannot see, given how we are playing, that we can achieve four wins. We are pedestrian going forward and d not have the players to score regularly enough for us to win. It will be interesting to see what is on offer when the Early Bird is available. We are going to lose a lot of support and our best players. I am usually an optimist oabout our team. Currently I see nothing but pessimism. That is absolutely spot on.Not replacing Hughes earlier is certainly going to get us relegated.Coates's infamous comment " what's all the fuss about" will haunt him for the rest of his days. It will be his James Callaghan moment.
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Post by march4 on Feb 11, 2018 20:59:06 GMT
I think we need a clear out this summer.
Scholes and Cartwright the first two to go.
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Post by 1982stokie on Feb 11, 2018 21:03:21 GMT
I seem to remember when people said they were concerned about survival this season or predicted Relagation they were called nicker wetters and told to man up, don't hear much of that now, we simply sleep walked into this it's being heart breaking to watch. But what could have the fans done? Do you honestly think we could have influenced anything? Not at all, my point is people are saying this was obviously going to happen the board have being arrogant and blind (which is true) but how many of them are the same people that were saying Dunna worry we will be fine at the start, the win over the Arse and Draw with the shit really just papered over the Cracks, this has being like watching a slow motion car crash.
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Post by sutekh on Feb 11, 2018 21:06:50 GMT
I think we need a clear out this summer. Scholes and Cartwright the first two to go. Scholes and the fat goalkeeper should both be strung up with piano wire and paraded through the streets of s.o.t
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Post by keasie1863 on Feb 11, 2018 21:23:21 GMT
The fans. But even the fans realised before the board. But it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Do you honestly think that Peter Coates would have listened to the dissenting voice of fans a few months ago? Peter Coates has NEVER listened to the fans!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2018 21:29:36 GMT
But it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Do you honestly think that Peter Coates would have listened to the dissenting voice of fans a few months ago? Peter Coates has NEVER listened to the fans! And to be honest with the shit that's spouted on here it's probably a good job most of the time.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 11, 2018 21:51:26 GMT
People will probably take the piss but I was truly flabbergasted when I was told this today and to me it sums us up beautifully. You can't pay for stuff on the concourse with your card. I don't buy stuff so never knew this but how out of touch is that? I just presumed you could because why the hell wouldn't you be able to? It's that sort of thing that is small but shows the half arsed nature of how we're run and that permeates into every facet of the club. I'd be interested to know how many grounds you can actually use your card to pay for stuff at. I've only been to Old Trafford this year and I was pleasantly (yet somehow not) surprised (this is Man Utd after all) to see that I could use a card to pay for my lad and I's pies n' coffee. It is a relatively easy system to put in you would think - especially with Wi-Fi technology negating the need for cabling these days.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Feb 11, 2018 22:03:02 GMT
why should scholes and fartwight go.....the board are responsible
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