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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 10, 2018 18:36:17 GMT
Things have actually improved under Lambert, it’s just that we were so shit to start with it’s not so easy to spot.
However...we are down now, and Lambert is probably the man to rebuild things in the Championship, for the benefit of those who will still be going to games.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2018 18:41:20 GMT
Like I always said about Hughes....the players are the ones to blame, the manager makes very little difference except to pick the team from a limited choice of manpower and getting rid of Hughes does nowt! The manager makes little difference ??!! Ask Swansea !!!!!
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Post by mrred on Feb 10, 2018 18:43:50 GMT
Talks a good talk. Really wanted him to succeed but I'm yet to see anything of note. Aside from we do actually press off the ball, but the fat wankers are knackered by 60 minutes.
Let's be honest though, he's not going to undo 2 1/2 years of mismanagement and no discipline.
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Post by adamsson on Feb 10, 2018 18:46:44 GMT
Things have actually improved under Lambert, it’s just that we were so shit to start with it’s not so easy to spot. However...we are down now, and Lambert is probably the man to rebuild things in the Championship, for the benefit of those who will still be going to games. No he's not he isn't even the man to stop us doing the double.
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Post by waffles on Feb 10, 2018 18:47:16 GMT
Talks a good talk. Really wanted him to succeed but I'm yet to see anything of note. Aside from we do actually press off the ball, but the fat wankers are knackered by 60 minutes. Let's be honest though, he's not going to undo 2 1/2 years of mismanagement and no discipline. It's probably 18 month's but you are right.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 10, 2018 18:50:19 GMT
Said it after the Watford game, there doesn't seem to be any obvious change whatsoever since Lambert took over from Hughes!!!
Jokanović of Fulham should have been the manager we went for, not lambert, not Rowett, not Sánchez Flores and not O'Neil!!!
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 10, 2018 18:52:03 GMT
Things have actually improved under Lambert, it’s just that we were so shit to start with it’s not so easy to spot. However...we are down now, and Lambert is probably the man to rebuild things in the Championship, for the benefit of those who will still be going to games. No he's not he isn't even the man to stop us doing the double. Let’s not kid ourselves. Nobody else is coming here. Nobody wanted to come here when we were still a Premier League club. They ain’t coming to us in the Championship where our only squad will be the current reserves. We are now Sunderland. Dark days are coming. We are not a reasonable side that had a bad run and fell out of the Prem, as happens sometimes. We are seriously rubbish and I wouldn’t fancy us against league one and two teams as things stand. A second successive relegation seems a certainty with the current board in charge.
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Post by slother on Feb 10, 2018 18:52:43 GMT
I can honestly say every match under him has been a really good watch. That's something.
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Post by harrysburrow on Feb 10, 2018 18:59:27 GMT
New he wasn't great, surprised his approach has been so similar to Hughes so far? Uninspiring.
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Post by dazzler on Feb 10, 2018 19:02:03 GMT
Can’t really blame him too much. He was left with a lot of shit and the squad is so unfit it’s embarrassing at times
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 19:02:22 GMT
I can honestly say every match under him has been a really good watch. That's something. Watford was a fucking belter
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Post by salopian on Feb 10, 2018 19:03:27 GMT
He's still making some of the mistakes Hughes made, but to answer your question - we've stopped shipping goals at the alarming rate we did under Hughes. We've conceded 3 goals in Lambert's 4 games. You have to go a long way back for his predecessor's record to match that. That's partly down to Lambert reverting to a back four and partly to the standard of opposition he's faced. Arguably we are now tighter at the back, and may of picked up more points then we would of with Hughes... However
1) 3 of the 4 games were at home 2) The 4 games he has managed have been winnable ( on paper at least) 3) Despite being tighter to what we were , we look like we could give a goal away quite easily 4) The next few fixtures against better opposition will give an indication of work ethic, if fitness has improved and how many we will leak and if heads start to drop..
I would say the right back has certainly helped and if a Hughes target then it might of improved under him also but I use the word might... but either way 5 at the back was never going to work so reverting to a back 4 alone you could say we are somewhat tighter but the next few games will show if the ship is to capsize with a flood of goals or just about stay a float..
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Post by hinckpotter on Feb 10, 2018 19:03:41 GMT
What's changed from Hughes? He seems to be falling for the same mistakes Hughes tried and failed. That nonsense Corner routine for 1 example where we form a line? Apart from new players which it's debatable whether lambert new anything about what has changed? He's still making some of the mistakes Hughes made, but to answer your question - we've stopped shipping goals at the alarming rate we did under Hughes. We've conceded 3 goals in Lambert's 4 games. You have to go a long way back for his predecessor's record to match that. That's partly down to Lambert reverting to a back four and partly to the standard of opposition he's faced. Let's see when we play a top 6 six side shall we, we've still been carved ilopen by some poor sides who can't finish.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2018 19:05:55 GMT
His radio stoke interview had me reaching to smash the radio up. He is seriously deluded. Not heard it, but is he just trying to be positive? He needs to be really, if he starts saying were gone we may as well rest everyone for championship.
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 10, 2018 19:12:29 GMT
I think the appointment of PL was with an eye of the Championship next season - problem is - with what we've seen so far I think he will also be cack in the Championship too. Lets be honest, since he came in he's said the right things but are things actually getting any better - his big test inow with a 2 week break is they MUST come back after that break at full pelt - if we don't win at either Leicester or Southampton we are down
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 10, 2018 19:15:16 GMT
Utterly woeful last three games , but then again what did we expect .
shambolic team selection , Fletcher not Cameron , , misguided attempt to increase tempo with a aging squad not fit enough to implement it , exposed us badly by taking badou off and a 2 Man midfield of Allen and Adam , utterly shambolic organisaton For the penalty . Only Shaq should have been anywhere near the ball
He was the cheapest available choice for a reason and its showing , but he won’t be responsible fir our relegation. The two full time executives in charge of recruitment an£ those that set the investment policy will be .
We are imploding in front of our eyes now and the fact those who created the issue will be in charge in the most crucial summer in our history is a horrendous prospect .
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 10, 2018 19:16:26 GMT
What's changed from Hughes? He seems to be falling for the same mistakes Hughes tried and failed. That nonsense Corner routine for 1 example where we form a line? Apart from new players which it's debatable whether lambert new anything about what has changed? Nothing has changed same shit different day! Fletcher being the biggest example!!
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 10, 2018 19:18:10 GMT
I think the appointment of PL was with an eye of the Championship next season - problem is - with what we've seen so far I think he will also be cack in the Championship too. Lets be honest, since he came in he's said the right things but are things actually getting any better - his big test inow with a 2 week break is they MUST come back after that break at full pelt - if we don't win at either Leicester or Southampton we are down It’s too late for “we must win at....”. We are not going to win either of those games, we cannot win games. We saw that today. You must surely realise we are 100% down now.
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Post by harrysburrow on Feb 10, 2018 19:18:21 GMT
Can you imagine starting next season in The Championship win Lambert in charge? The stampede for season tickets could be truly frightening.
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Post by Northy on Feb 10, 2018 19:22:57 GMT
Can you imagine starting next season in The Championship win Lambert in charge? The stampede for season tickets could be truly frightening. he got Norwich promoted from there.
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Post by adamsson on Feb 10, 2018 19:54:16 GMT
No he's not he isn't even the man to stop us doing the double. Let’s not kid ourselves. Nobody else is coming here. Nobody wanted to come here when we were still a Premier League club. They ain’t coming to us in the Championship where our only squad will be the current reserves. We are now Sunderland. Dark days are coming. We are not a reasonable side that had a bad run and fell out of the Prem, as happens sometimes. We are seriously rubbish and I wouldn’t fancy us against league one and two teams as things stand. A second successive relegation seems a certainty with the current board in charge. And I thought I was a pessimist
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Post by stokie23 on Feb 10, 2018 20:00:06 GMT
Cannot blame Lambert for the mess we are in at all ! Hughes to blame followed by the board !
At the very least he has made us harder to beat and conceding less goals, I genuinely think we would have lost he last 4 under Hughes.
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Post by that's our Ric on Feb 10, 2018 20:05:31 GMT
We took the cheap option, Things were never going to change much under Lambert. Cheap, cheap Cheap Like a budgie, it's the Coates way, and the crows are coming home to roost !!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 10, 2018 20:07:21 GMT
Cannot blame Lambert for the mess we are in at all ! Hughes to blame followed by the board ! At the very least he has made us harder to beat and conceding less goals, I genuinely think we would have lost he last 4 under Hughes. You could blame lambert for the shambles at Bournemouth last week. Today, he should not have selected Fletcher and the midfield was again completely disorganised when Brighton scored
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 10, 2018 20:24:05 GMT
He was the wrong man for the job when he was appointed, unfortunately. Most of us knew it but in an attempt at positivity and including a big dose of relief at having got rid of Hughes I found myself trying to be positive........ it's the same way I felt in the summer when the board kept Hughes in post. I tried to be more positive but had a deep suspicion they were out of their tiny minds. I find it absolutely gobsmaking that people involved in football for so long can be so completely clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:26:40 GMT
Cannot blame Lambert for the mess we are in at all ! Hughes to blame followed by the board ! At the very least he has made us harder to beat and conceding less goals, I genuinely think we would have lost he last 4 under Hughes. Yes you can but it's not popular to say he's wank and did not deserve the job.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 10, 2018 20:30:54 GMT
Cannot blame Lambert for the mess we are in at all ! Hughes to blame followed by the board ! At the very least he has made us harder to beat and conceding less goals, I genuinely think we would have lost he last 4 under Hughes. You could blame lambert for the shambles at Bournemouth last week. Today, he should not have selected Fletcher and the midfield was again completely disorganised when Brighton scored I was on the half way line today , on their goal badou pressed and was horrified no one joined him , Fletcher then got beaten to a ball that was at least 2/3 closer to him than the Brighton player and we were gone from that moment , it was an organisational and selection abortion and no one but lambert and his third rate back room team can be held accountable , other than those who appointed him .
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Post by VolvicStokie on Feb 10, 2018 20:31:26 GMT
What the fuck do some of you see?
We're pressing, we look like we're trying, we're picking up points, we're not conceding 3-4 goals every game.
We've made 2 good signings and Lambert has had a handful of games.
He isn't going to change every aspect of the team is he? End of the day it's not his team, he's inherited this crock of shit and he's been tasked with keeping us up.
If he keeps us up by crook or by hook I really don't give a fuck how he does it.
Next season if we're in the Premier League then I'll reserve judgement. But to throw in the towel and just come out with ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS that "nothing has changed" and he's "no better than Hughes" is just borderline embarrassing. Call yourself a supporter? Ha
Fuck rate off and dunna turn up for the fight next time!
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Post by rorystowel on Feb 10, 2018 20:34:33 GMT
Even Gandalf couldn't work miracles with this squad. It's more broken than a Tesla in an asteroid belt. I had belief until today, but we're fucked now aren't we?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:37:18 GMT
What the fuck do some of you see? We're pressing, we look like we're trying, we're picking up points, we're not conceding 3-4 goals every game. We've made 2 good signings and Lambert has had a handful of games. He isn't going to change every aspect of the team is he? End of the day it's not his team, he's inherited this crock of shit and he's been tasked with keeping us up. If he keeps us up by crook or by hook I really don't give a fuck how he does it. Next season if we're in the Premier League then I'll reserve judgement. But to throw in the towel and just come out with ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS that "nothing has changed" and he's "no better than Hughes" is just borderline embarrassing. Call yourself a supporter? Ha Fuck rate off and dunna turn up for the fight next time! True though
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