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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:51:49 GMT
Agreed, I back Adam over most other pen takers, he's generally excellent at them. No issue with him taking it, my problem is that it was a shit pen and he absolutely bottled the follow up. Yep I've got no issue with Adam taking the penalty initially, I fully expected it to be him the moment it was awarded. His record speaks for itself. But having seen his reaction (or indeed lack of reaction) to the rebound, due to a lack of fitness either mentally or physically, means that he can surely never ever take another one for us again. I am still absolutely livid about it, we were gifted an absoloutely huge slice of luck, just when we most needed it most and due to a lack of fitness we completely blew it. I like Charlie Adam, but im hoping that we don’t need to turn to him very often in the run in (Crouch to if I’m honest) if at all....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 14:58:41 GMT
Yep I've got no issue with Adam taking the penalty initially, I fully expected it to be him the moment it was awarded. His record speaks for itself. But having seen his reaction (or indeed lack of reaction) to the rebound, due to a lack of fitness either mentally or physically, means that he can surely never ever take another one for us again. I am still absolutely livid about it, we were gifted an absoloutely huge slice of luck, just when we most needed it most and due to a lack of fitness we completely blew it. I like Charlie Adam, but im hoping that we don’t need to turn to him very often in the run in (Crouch to if I’m honest) if at all.... Absolutely and anyway, we'll be just fine with Fletcher there! 😁 What an absolute cluster fuck of a squad we've assembled!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 15:05:17 GMT
How many had he missed before Saturday? For us, or in total How many had Jesé missed? How many had Shaq missed? How many had Bera missed......woot victory!!! Ffs. I’m try something now. Black They hadn't taken them. Why should they take one over a bloke who'd taken four and scored them all?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 12, 2018 15:05:49 GMT
Yep I've got no issue with Adam taking the penalty initially, I fully expected it to be him the moment it was awarded. His record speaks for itself. But having seen his reaction (or indeed lack of reaction) to the rebound, due to a lack of fitness either mentally or physically, means that he can surely never ever take another one for us again. I am still absolutely livid about it, we were gifted an absoloutely huge slice of luck, just when we most needed it most and due to a lack of fitness we completely blew it. I like Charlie Adam, but im hoping that we don’t need to turn to him very often in the run in (Crouch to if I’m honest) if at all.... You'd take Berahino over Crouch?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 15:39:34 GMT
I like Charlie Adam, but im hoping that we don’t need to turn to him very often in the run in (Crouch to if I’m honest) if at all.... You'd take Berahino over Crouch? It's an absolute mess isn't it Sheikhy? To think there has apparently been some sort of design process in assembling this rabble ... it beggars belief.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:42:28 GMT
I like Charlie Adam, but im hoping that we don’t need to turn to him very often in the run in (Crouch to if I’m honest) if at all.... You'd take Berahino over Crouch? Nope. He wouldn't make my matchday squad I'd have Campbell on the bench.....
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 12, 2018 15:51:34 GMT
For us, or in total How many had Jesé missed? How many had Shaq missed? How many had Bera missed......woot victory!!! Ffs. I’m try something now. Black They hadn't taken them. Why should they take one over a bloke who'd taken four and scored them all? Honestly, because I wouldn’t trust Charlie Adam under pressure, in the state he’s in, as far as I could throw him. This is all just personal opinion though isn’t it; neither Jese nor Shaqiri have taken many competitive pens, but they both have 100% records, and we don’t know how impressive each looks when taking them in training. The real question is why on earth was there even a debate? Jese was clearly under the impression that it was his to take having won it, and Shaqiri definitely chucked his hat into the ring too, suggesting that there was either no formal penalty plan in place, or a plan has only been discussed in private by the Scottish Mafia over a plate of Haggis and bottle of Buckfast.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 12, 2018 15:52:48 GMT
Tbf to Charlie, didn't he grab the ball and score a last minute equalising penalty at Swansea a couple of seasons ago? It's not like he can't handle the pressure is it?! He just fucked it.
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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 15:57:07 GMT
Tbf to Charlie, didn't he grab the ball and score a last minute equalising penalty at Swansea a couple of seasons ago? It's not like he can't handle the pressure is it?! He just fucked it. It was such a poor penalty. why didn't he just smash it down the middle?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 12, 2018 16:00:47 GMT
Tbf to Charlie, didn't he grab the ball and score a last minute equalising penalty at Swansea a couple of seasons ago? It's not like he can't handle the pressure is it?! He just fucked it. It was such a poor penalty. why didn't he just smash it down the middle? I said straight away "smash it down the middle Charlie" and like you, don't understand why he didn't. Saying that though, I still backed him to score before it and I'm not going to be a hypocrite like some and say "we should've let Jesé take it".. nah, what a load of bollocks.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 16:01:47 GMT
They hadn't taken them. Why should they take one over a bloke who'd taken four and scored them all? Honestly, because I wouldn’t trust Charlie Adam under pressure, in the state he’s in, as far as I could throw him. This is all just personal opinion though isn’t it; neither Jese nor Shaqiri have taken many competitive pens, but they both have 100% records, and we don’t know how impressive each looks when taking them in training. The real question is why on earth was there even a debate? Jese was clearly under the impression that it was his to take having won it, and Shaqiri definitely chucked his hat into the ring too, suggesting that there was either no formal penalty plan in place, or a plan has only been discussed in private by the Scottish Mafia over a plate of Haggis and bottle of Buckfast. Adam had a 100% record for Stoke though. There should definitely have been a designated taker and if Lambert hadn't designated one he's a fool. This 'whoever feels confident' stuff is pub standard.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 12, 2018 16:18:11 GMT
Honestly, because I wouldn’t trust Charlie Adam under pressure, in the state he’s in, as far as I could throw him. This is all just personal opinion though isn’t it; neither Jese nor Shaqiri have taken many competitive pens, but they both have 100% records, and we don’t know how impressive each looks when taking them in training. The real question is why on earth was there even a debate? Jese was clearly under the impression that it was his to take having won it, and Shaqiri definitely chucked his hat into the ring too, suggesting that there was either no formal penalty plan in place, or a plan has only been discussed in private by the Scottish Mafia over a plate of Haggis and bottle of Buckfast. Adam had a 100% record for Stoke though. There should definitely have been a designated taker and if Lambert hadn't designated one he's a fool. This 'whoever feels confident' stuff is pub standard. Yes he did. It has no bearing on my opinion of him being irratic mentally and unfit to play premier league football, the latter sadly costing us a valuable 2 points just now. Agree completely in that there should have been no doubt who was to take the kick, and I am confident that the topic hasn’t been properly addressed. Amateurish at best.
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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 16:20:26 GMT
It was such a poor penalty. why didn't he just smash it down the middle? I said straight away "smash it down the middle Charlie" and like you, don't understand why he didn't. Saying that though, I still backed him to score before it and I'm not going to be a hypocrite like some and say "we should've let Jesé take it".. nah, what a load of bollocks. I would of prefered Shaq
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 16:37:08 GMT
Adam had a 100% record for Stoke though. There should definitely have been a designated taker and if Lambert hadn't designated one he's a fool. This 'whoever feels confident' stuff is pub standard. Yes he did. It has no bearing on my opinion of him being irratic mentally and unfit to play premier league football, the latter sadly costing us a valuable 2 points just now. Agree completely in that there should have been no doubt who was to take the kick, and I am confident that the topic hasn’t been properly addressed. Amateurish at best. To me he's the same as always. A saviour at times, a liability at others, sometimes in the same game. It was a poor pen but generally he's good at them and it made sense for him to take it. Even the best miss a pen sometimes. Awful for us in such a big game but shit happens.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 12, 2018 17:24:42 GMT
Yes he did. It has no bearing on my opinion of him being irratic mentally and unfit to play premier league football, the latter sadly costing us a valuable 2 points just now. Agree completely in that there should have been no doubt who was to take the kick, and I am confident that the topic hasn’t been properly addressed. Amateurish at best. To me he's the same as always. A saviour at times, a liability at others, sometimes in the same game. It was a poor pen but generally he's good at them and it made sense for him to take it. Even the best miss a pen sometimes. Awful for us in such a big game but shit happens. I can understand your opinion, it’s a reasonable one to have, but it’s just as reasonable to disagree with. We all wanted to win that match; it all boils down to who you think is most likely to score, and despite him scoring his previous 4 in red & white, I have absolutely zero faith in the bloke. I wouldn’t have him near the squad, and certainly wouldn’t be giving him the ball ahead of Xerdan Shaqiri, a man who we would already be relegated without.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 17:35:00 GMT
To me he's the same as always. A saviour at times, a liability at others, sometimes in the same game. It was a poor pen but generally he's good at them and it made sense for him to take it. Even the best miss a pen sometimes. Awful for us in such a big game but shit happens. I can understand your opinion, it’s a reasonable one to have, but it’s just as reasonable to disagree with. We all wanted to win that match; it all boils down to who you think is most likely to score, and despite him scoring his previous 4 in red & white, I have absolutely zero faith in the bloke. I wouldn’t have him near the squad, and certainly wouldn’t be giving him the ball ahead of Xerdan Shaqiri, a man who we would already be relegated without. I can see why Charlie frustrates people - he frustrates me incessantly - but I'd have him on the bench as we have so few potential sources of creativity available to us, particularly from central areas.
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