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Post by clarkeda on Feb 11, 2018 20:44:29 GMT
It was a good penalty. Charlie not being the first player on the rebound (and scoring it) is what pisses me off really. And why Shaq was not the one taking the peno is beyond me. All time low almost this one. I'm completely torn apart. Of all the things it was, it absolutely wasn’t a good penalty. The keeper nearly dived past the fucking thing.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 11, 2018 20:47:13 GMT
We had a Seasons worth of bad luck in a 3 minute spell yesterday 1. Several Brighton players in the box whilst the penalty was being taken 2. Blatant foul on Charlie for the rebound 3. Probable handball for the rebound 4. The following corner almost sneaking in at the near post 5. Diouf's header being an inch away from a goal. Let's hope that lady luck shines honest more favourably between now and the end of the season There is ALWAYS players in the area on penalties. Find me one where nobody is even slightly encroaching. Get over it. The player who encroached the most was Dunk, who was then able to clatter Adam, so its not like the encroachment didn't matter Oh I'm over it. This is my 40th season of getting over it.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 11, 2018 20:49:18 GMT
Was a crap penalty. Good height for the keeper, yes there was power, but it was fairly central (I'd rather he blast it down the middle!) And the Keeper went the right way, if he hits it low in the corners or to the roof of the goal it will almost always go in! I found the recent studies of penalties fascinating. That was a rubbish penalty
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:32 GMT
There is ALWAYS players in the area on penalties. Find me one where nobody is even slightly encroaching. Get over it. The player who encroached the most was Dunk, who was then able to clatter Adam, so its not like the encroachment didn't matter Oh I'm over it. This is my 40th season of getting over it. Doesn't change the fact Charlie Adam should have made the rebound. Still had a five yard head start.
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Post by tosh on Feb 11, 2018 20:51:08 GMT
We had a Seasons worth of bad luck in a 3 minute spell yesterday 1. Several Brighton players in the box whilst the penalty was being taken 2. Blatant foul on Charlie for the rebound 3. Probable handball for the rebound 4. The following corner almost sneaking in at the near post 5. Diouf's header being an inch away from a goal. Let's hope that lady luck shines honest more favourably between now and the end of the season There is ALWAYS players in the area on penalties. Find me one where nobody is even slightly encroaching. Get over it. When players encroach it does not usually affect the penalty outcome. If an encroaching player gets even a fair tackle in to prevent a rebound being scored the referee should obviously order a retake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 20:51:31 GMT
Do we have the Sunderland sickness? Players seemingly running the team, no manager seemingly able to sort it out. Useless lumps costing ££££ not playing/on loan, lack of effort etc.? I've thought for a while that we have a divided team, old guard vs the new lads. Two styles, Two cultures and one very big f**k up of a team.
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Post by rawli on Feb 11, 2018 21:27:41 GMT
We had a Seasons worth of bad luck in a 3 minute spell yesterday 1. Several Brighton players in the box whilst the penalty was being taken 2. Blatant foul on Charlie for the rebound 3. Probable handball for the rebound 4. The following corner almost sneaking in at the near post 5. Diouf's header being an inch away from a goal. Let's hope that lady luck shines honest more favourably between now and the end of the season We had the good luck of being awarded a very soft penalty.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2018 22:38:43 GMT
We had a Seasons worth of bad luck in a 3 minute spell yesterday 1. Several Brighton players in the box whilst the penalty was being taken 2. Blatant foul on Charlie for the rebound 3. Probable handball for the rebound 4. The following corner almost sneaking in at the near post 5. Diouf's header being an inch away from a goal. Let's hope that lady luck shines honest more favourably between now and the end of the season
It's virtually the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.
We had an absolute truck full of luck during that period ... it was an incredibly soft penalty originally, we were very lucky that we were even awarded it in the first place and then the keeper saved the actual pen but we were incredibly lucky that the ball rebounded to be three yards off the goal line with nobody near it but our own player and even then, we still didn't score.
That's not unlucky, that's just, well, erm ... shit.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Feb 11, 2018 22:50:12 GMT
Shaq should have taken the penalty surely ? I mean Charlie Adam or Shaq ...it’s not rocket science is it ?.. clearly Jese wanted to take it as he had won it ...and according to his tweets he wants to prove to us how good he is ..and I think the game changed when he came on. Also when Berahino won his penalty didn’t Shaq step aside to let him take it ? ( could be wrong as memory isn’t the best )
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 11, 2018 23:07:10 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick?
I probably would have picked Charlie.
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Post by pottarius on Feb 12, 2018 0:01:58 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick?I probably would have picked Charlie. You pick the best player, one who will not choke and that clearly should be Shaq. He would of buried the penalty The interesting, or frightening, thing now is the dressing room. Likely we'll have Charlie, Fletch and the old style boys on one side & Jese, Shaq on the other side - PL's big job in the next two weeks is to get them as one again else its pretty likely one group will not play the other (at least in terms of teamwork) I have a nasty feeling the side against Leicester is going to include Charlie, Fletcher, Johnson & Crouch in the starting line up (reaches for the razor blades)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 12, 2018 1:22:38 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick? I probably would have picked Charlie. Adam or Shaq, its not that he took it, its how badly he fucked it up, he got two goes at it, shockingly bad.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 1:38:40 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick? I probably would have picked Charlie.
Even after seeing how pathetically he dealt with the rebound that was put on a plate in front of him?
A penalty is not only about the first attempt and if a player is so clearly unfit that he can't even get himself there to convert the simplest of conversions (far simpler than taking the actual penalty itself) then he should never be allowed to take a penalty (for us) again.
Indeed there's an argument that he shouldn't even play for us again ... he is clearly massively unfit and that wasted, second (clear cut) opportunity could easily cost us our Premiership status.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 1:40:03 GMT
We had a Seasons worth of bad luck in a 3 minute spell yesterday 1. Several Brighton players in the box whilst the penalty was being taken 2. Blatant foul on Charlie for the rebound 3. Probable handball for the rebound 4. The following corner almost sneaking in at the near post 5. Diouf's header being an inch away from a goal. Let's hope that lady luck shines honest more favourably between now and the end of the season We had the good luck of being awarded a very soft penalty. Didn't we have a bit of luck at their place too, with ShawX being clumsy but the ref turning it away? Sorry for the (un)classy source -https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4959132/stoke-brighton-twitter-ryan-shawcross-penalty/
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 2:01:11 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick?I probably would have picked Charlie. You pick the best player, one who will not choke and that clearly should be Shaq. He would of buried the penalty The interesting, or frightening, thing now is the dressing room. Likely we'll have Charlie, Fletch and the old style boys on one side & Jese, Shaq on the other side - PL's big job in the next two weeks is to get them as one again else its pretty likely one group will not play the other (at least in terms of teamwork) I have a nasty feeling the side against Leicester is going to include Charlie, Fletcher, Johnson & Crouch in the starting line up (reaches for the razor blades)
No you don’t, you pick your best penalty taker. We really don’t have a lot of evidence to say that’s Shaqiri or Jese.
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Post by tuum on Feb 12, 2018 3:02:34 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick? I probably would have picked Charlie.
Even after seeing how pathetically he dealt with the rebound that was put on a plate in front of him?
A penalty is not only about the first attempt and if a player is so clearly unfit that he can't even get himself there to convert the simplest of conversions (far simpler than taking the actual penalty itself) then he should never be allowed to take a penalty (for us) again.
Indeed there's an argument that he shouldn't even play for us again ... he is clearly massively unfit and that wasted, second (clear cut) opportunity could easily cost us our Premiership status. quote] I am thinking his delayed reaction was as a result of missing the pen in the first instance. He was momentarily stunned that he missed and was not instantaneously aware that he had been presented with a second opportunity. He was back on his heels in despair, just about to put his hands on his head in an "oh f**&*, what I have just done type of gesture" when the ball rolls back to him. I am not sticking up for him..just trying to rationalize why he was so slow to react.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 12, 2018 7:50:16 GMT
Anyone who thinks that the highest paid players don’t care about winning and putting in a good performance need to look at the effort put in by Shaquiri yesterday - his bollocking of Adam was a clear expression of his frustration and how seriously he took the situation. If Darren Fletcher, Saido Berahino and few others put in half in the effort and showed half the passion of Shaquiri, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 12, 2018 7:56:02 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:57:14 GMT
In a hypothetical scenario that we are 1-1 in a must win game and we get that 90th minute peno, and you could pick anyone out of our squad to take it who would you pick?I probably would have picked Charlie. You pick the best player, one who will not choke and that clearly should be Shaq. He would of buried the penalty The interesting, or frightening, thing now is the dressing room. Likely we'll have Charlie, Fletch and the old style boys on one side & Jese, Shaq on the other side - PL's big job in the next two weeks is to get them as one again else its pretty likely one group will not play the other (at least in terms of teamwork) I have a nasty feeling the side against Leicester is going to include Charlie, Fletcher, Johnson & Crouch in the starting line up (reaches for the razor blades)
You pick your best penalty taker simple as that . Hence why George Berry used to step up on many occasions and why Higginbotham was a regular penalty taker for us as well. Forget the merits of Adam being in the team (which I don’t think he should be anymore) he has a sound record from the spot and is an experienced campaigner. I would have backed him to score. Just a shame someone spilled a jar of treacle in the box for him to wade through when the keeper saved initially....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 7:58:11 GMT
Anyone who thinks that the highest paid players don’t care about winning and putting in a good performance need to look at the effort put in by Shaquiri yesterday - his bollocking of Adam was a clear expression of his frustration and how seriously he took the situation. If Darren Fletcher, Saido Berahino and few others put in half in the effort and showed half the passion of Shaquiri, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Fletcher is an embaresment watching him literally Jog back when they were attacking was a disgrace, If PL keeps picking him, Adam and to a lesser extent Crouchy ahead of fitter options he’ll soon lose the fans.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 12, 2018 8:00:02 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. Berahino's missed penalty didn't cost us any points. We won the game.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 12, 2018 8:00:19 GMT
There is ALWAYS players in the area on penalties. Find me one where nobody is even slightly encroaching. Get over it. When players encroach it does not usually affect the penalty outcome. If an encroaching player gets even a fair tackle in to prevent a rebound being scored the referee should obviously order a retake. Don't let it take away from the fact Charlie Adam was pathetically slow to the rebound. Anybody else would not have given the defender a chance by actually moving.
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 12, 2018 8:19:46 GMT
You pick the best player, one who will not choke and that clearly should be Shaq. He would of buried the penalty The interesting, or frightening, thing now is the dressing room. Likely we'll have Charlie, Fletch and the old style boys on one side & Jese, Shaq on the other side - PL's big job in the next two weeks is to get them as one again else its pretty likely one group will not play the other (at least in terms of teamwork) I have a nasty feeling the side against Leicester is going to include Charlie, Fletcher, Johnson & Crouch in the starting line up (reaches for the razor blades)
No you don’t, you pick your best penalty taker. We really don’t have a lot of evidence to say that’s Shaqiri or Jese. Our best set piece taker is Shaqiri. The player who had just placed one on the back of the net from 20 yards was Shaqiri. The guy who has carried us as an attacking threat all season is Shaqiri. Should have been Shaq and I thought that before Adam took it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 8:27:42 GMT
No you don’t, you pick your best penalty taker. We really don’t have a lot of evidence to say that’s Shaqiri or Jese. Our best set piece taker is Shaqiri. The player who had just placed one on the back of the net from 20 yards was Shaqiri. The guy who has carried us as an attacking threat all season is Shaqiri. Should have been Shaq and I thought that before Adam took it. What does any of that have to do with penalties? A penalty isn't the same as a free kick. David Beckham was a wonderful free kick taker. Shit penalty taker. With Shaqiri there isn't much evidence either way. Adam had stuck away the last 4-5 he'd taken for us.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 12, 2018 9:22:27 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. Berahino's missed penalty didn't cost us any points. We won the game. Oh. Then I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 12, 2018 9:42:10 GMT
Our best set piece taker is Shaqiri. The player who had just placed one on the back of the net from 20 yards was Shaqiri. The guy who has carried us as an attacking threat all season is Shaqiri. Should have been Shaq and I thought that before Adam took it. What does any of that have to do with penalties? A penalty isn't the same as a free kick. David Beckham was a wonderful free kick taker. Shit penalty taker. With Shaqiri there isn't much evidence either way. Adam had stuck away the last 4-5 he'd taken for us. Beckham was hardly a terrible penalty taker. The bloke who has just scored 2 in 2, confidence high & has a sweet strike. Or the guy who has really struggled in recent times? I know who I would have chosen
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 10:07:09 GMT
What does any of that have to do with penalties? A penalty isn't the same as a free kick. David Beckham was a wonderful free kick taker. Shit penalty taker. With Shaqiri there isn't much evidence either way. Adam had stuck away the last 4-5 he'd taken for us. Beckham was hardly a terrible penalty taker. The bloke who has just scored 2 in 2, confidence high & has a sweet strike. Or the guy who has really struggled in recent times? I know who I would have chosen Beckham was a terrible penalty taker. He missed three in a row for England in 2003-04 and even the one he scored against Aregntina in 2002 was poorly struck down the middle and he got away with it. Again, taking a penalty is a skill in itself. Adam hasn't struggled from the penalty spot in recent times at all. You can be the most technically gifted, confident player in the world and not be a good penalty taker. Even Messi doesn't have a great record with them.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2018 10:10:11 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. How is he the designated penalty taker? Adam didnt start so presumably there was a designated penalty taker in the starting 11. Who was that? and why didnt they take the penalty?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 10:18:20 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. How is he the designated penalty taker? Adam didnt start so presumably there was a designated penalty taker in the starting 11. Who was that? and why didnt they take the penalty? Because he's taken a fair few and until Saturday had scored them all?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 12, 2018 10:51:46 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. Bera didn't get a second chance to tap it into an open net from only a couple of yards, it was pathetic, if you can't handle said pressure don't bloody take it.
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