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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 13:22:48 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. Bera didn't get a second chance to tap it into an open net from only a couple of yards, it was pathetic, if you can't handle said pressure don't bloody take it. To be honest I was quite impressed with how much emotion came from Jesé, Shaq, Bera, Badou, butland and Diouf. As for the penalty, sorry but it should’ve been Jesé or Shaqs. In no way I can see should Adam got a crack before those two. As for that follow up, it was a complete disgrace. Guy should not be wearing that shirt again imho. It’s not his pace that kills me, it’s the complete lacks of fucks given until he realises it’s an easy goal for him, then his lack of fitness does him. Don’t care who you are, penalty rule number 1 as soon as you strike it be ready for the follow up.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
Bera didn't get a second chance to tap it into an open net from only a couple of yards, it was pathetic, if you can't handle said pressure don't bloody take it. To be honest I was quite impressed with how much emotion came from Jesé, Shaq, Bera, Badou, butland and Diouf. As for the penalty, sorry but it should’ve been Jesé or Shaqs. In no way I can see should Adam got a crack before those two. As for that follow up, it was a complete disgrace. Guy should not be wearing that shirt again imho. It’s not his pace that kills me, it’s the complete lacks of fucks given until he realises it’s an easy goal for him, then his lack of fitness does him. Don’t care who you are, penalty rule number 1 as soon as you strike it be ready for the follow up. Why should it have been Jese? What's his penalty record like?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 13:31:55 GMT
To be honest I was quite impressed with how much emotion came from Jesé, Shaq, Bera, Badou, butland and Diouf. As for the penalty, sorry but it should’ve been Jesé or Shaqs. In no way I can see should Adam got a crack before those two. As for that follow up, it was a complete disgrace. Guy should not be wearing that shirt again imho. It’s not his pace that kills me, it’s the complete lacks of fucks given until he realises it’s an easy goal for him, then his lack of fitness does him. Don’t care who you are, penalty rule number 1 as soon as you strike it be ready for the follow up. Why should it have been Jese? What's his penalty record like? Scored 5. 1 last season for PSG against Nantes and 1 for Las Palmas against Real Betis. Previous to that he scored 3 in the 12/13 season for Real Madrid B team in La Liga 2 He's never missed one......... Jese penalty record
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2018 13:33:34 GMT
To be honest I was quite impressed with how much emotion came from Jesé, Shaq, Bera, Badou, butland and Diouf. As for the penalty, sorry but it should’ve been Jesé or Shaqs. In no way I can see should Adam got a crack before those two. As for that follow up, it was a complete disgrace. Guy should not be wearing that shirt again imho. It’s not his pace that kills me, it’s the complete lacks of fucks given until he realises it’s an easy goal for him, then his lack of fitness does him. Don’t care who you are, penalty rule number 1 as soon as you strike it be ready for the follow up. Why should it have been Jese? What's his penalty record like? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jese/elfmetertore/spieler/1349365/5 apparently. Shaqiri 5/5 Choupo 11/13 Adam - 18/22 Berahino 11/16
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 13:34:54 GMT
Why should it have been Jese? What's his penalty record like? Scored 5. 1 last season for PSG against Nantes and 1 for Las Palmas against Real Betis. Previous to that he scored 3 in the 12/13 season for Real Madrid B team in La Liga 2 He's never missed one......... Jese penalty recordThat is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it?
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Post by Absolution on Feb 12, 2018 13:41:17 GMT
Scored 5. 1 last season for PSG against Nantes and 1 for Las Palmas against Real Betis. Previous to that he scored 3 in the 12/13 season for Real Madrid B team in La Liga 2 He's never missed one......... Jese penalty recordThat is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? Because he missed it. C'mon Rob, keep up.
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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 13:45:37 GMT
Scored 5. 1 last season for PSG against Nantes and 1 for Las Palmas against Real Betis. Previous to that he scored 3 in the 12/13 season for Real Madrid B team in La Liga 2 He's never missed one......... Jese penalty recordThat is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? These guys beat me to it lol. Depending on if we have a penalty taker it should’ve been that player, but Adam is someone who rarely plays so can’t be the permenant taker. so it should go to the guy who either wins it if they are a penalty taker themselves or to the person most likely to score. ( in US sports their clutch player). A player having gone through what Jese has the last year or 2, with seemingly a good personality wins a penalty on his first game back, to possibly steal 3 points against our rivals and someone who had also just come on, has a worse record, takes the ball for no reason other than he wanted to is gonna make him flip. Should he have done it no, but if we are gonna play our way out of this situation, someone like Jese is far more likely to do it that Adam. How many times have teams had someone come back from hell, score a pen then go on an amazing run off the wave of emotion.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 13:48:50 GMT
That is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? These guys beat me to it lol. Depending on if we have a penalty taker it should’ve been that player, but Adam is someone who rarely plays so can’t be the permenant taker. so it should go to the guy who either wins it if they are a penalty taker themselves or to the person most likely to score. ( in US sports their clutch player). A player having gone through what Jese has the last year or 2, with seemingly a good personality wins a penalty on his first game back, to possibly steal 3 points against our rivals and someone who had also just come on, has a worse record, takes the ball for no reason other than he wanted to is gonna make him flip. Should he have done it no, but if we are gonna play our way out of this situation, someone like Jese is far more likely to do it that Adam. How many times have teams had someone come back from hell, score a pen then go on an amazing run off the wave of emotion. Why is Jese far more likely to do it when neither have been playing and Adam's record has been just as good? If Jese had taken it and missed everyone would have been on here asking why in God's name Jese had taken it and not someone who'd proven he could score from the spot for Stoke before.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 12, 2018 13:49:50 GMT
What’s the point in saying ‘Shaq should have taken the penalty’?
Clearly if he wanted to be our designated penalty taker, he would be.
The issue here is why doesn’t he want to take them?
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 12, 2018 13:49:57 GMT
There should be a protocol for who is taking penalties and not a free for all when we do get one, poor management.
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Post by Davef on Feb 12, 2018 13:52:16 GMT
I'm not sure what's more ridiculous here, the hindsight in suggesting that a senior player who's scored far more penalties than he's missed shouldn't have taken that one on Saturday, or the players arguing among themselves over who should've taken the bloody thing in the first place.
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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 13:54:09 GMT
His record is better than Adams, plus he won it.
I’m of the theory if he’d wanted it Shaq should’ve had it. But he didn’t seem interested before the handbags.
As for Jesé missing it, I do t think anyone of a normal mindset would’ve gone mad. I wouldn’t have gone mad even if Adam missed but followed up. The thing that issues me of is he’s taken the penalty when it should’ve been Jese’s over his then literally said fuck it. This is the same player most were saying last week look depressed in an interview. I ain’t a doom monger, don’t think it’s all over so I ain’t moaning for moaning sake, but Adam should’ve been 3rd down the pecking order at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 13:55:11 GMT
Scored 5. 1 last season for PSG against Nantes and 1 for Las Palmas against Real Betis. Previous to that he scored 3 in the 12/13 season for Real Madrid B team in La Liga 2 He's never missed one......... Jese penalty recordThat is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? Agreed, I back Adam over most other pen takers, he's generally excellent at them. No issue with him taking it, my problem is that it was a shit pen and he absolutely bottled the follow up.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 12, 2018 13:55:17 GMT
There should be a protocol for who is taking penalties and not a free for all when we do get one, poor management. Our previous two managers also had a 'first come, first served' approach to penalties. I'd prefer to have a designated taker, but I don't think we've had one since Hoefkens. And look how that ended.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 12, 2018 13:59:59 GMT
That is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? These guys beat me to it lol. Depending on if we have a penalty taker it should’ve been that player, but Adam is someone who rarely plays so can’t be the permenant taker. so it should go to the guy who either wins it if they are a penalty taker themselves or to the person most likely to score. ( in US sports their clutch player). A player having gone through what Jese has the last year or 2, with seemingly a good personality wins a penalty on his first game back, to possibly steal 3 points against our rivals and someone who had also just come on, has a worse record, takes the ball for no reason other than he wanted to is gonna make him flip. Should he have done it no, but if we are gonna play our way out of this situation, someone like Jese is far more likely to do it that Adam. How many times have teams had someone come back from hell, score a pen then go on an amazing run off the wave of emotion. According to Jesse's girlfriend he is a complete twat and has been rarely near the sick baby for many months. Her family have had to take time off work to help care for the baby. According to her he spends most of his time partying and living the high life. So all this bollocks about being a good personality and coming back from hell doesn't ring very true
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Post by generationex on Feb 12, 2018 14:02:06 GMT
Jese’s selfishness ramped up the pressure on Adam. If the PSG premadonna doesn’t apologise to the team he should go. We don’t need people like that in this situation.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 14:03:58 GMT
His record is better than Adams, plus he won it. I’m of the theory if he’d wanted it Shaq should’ve had it. But he didn’t seem interested before the handbags. As for Jesé missing it, I do t think anyone of a normal mindset would’ve gone mad. I wouldn’t have gone mad even if Adam missed but followed up. The thing that issues me of is he’s taken the penalty when it should’ve been Jese’s over his then literally said fuck it. This is the same player most were saying last week look depressed in an interview. I ain’t a doom monger, don’t think it’s all over so I ain’t moaning for moaning sake, but Adam should’ve been 3rd down the pecking order at least. How is his record better than Adam's? Before Bojan, Adam was the club's penalty taker and hadn't missed one? Of course people would've gone mad if Jese had missed it, he's not been on the pitch for months, he's never taken a penalty for the club before, we've already had a situation where a billy big bollocks snatched up the ball because he wanted his moment and fucked it up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:06:49 GMT
His record is better than Adams, plus he won it. I’m of the theory if he’d wanted it Shaq should’ve had it. But he didn’t seem interested before the handbags. As for Jesé missing it, I do t think anyone of a normal mindset would’ve gone mad. I wouldn’t have gone mad even if Adam missed but followed up. The thing that issues me of is he’s taken the penalty when it should’ve been Jese’s over his then literally said fuck it. This is the same player most were saying last week look depressed in an interview. I ain’t a doom monger, don’t think it’s all over so I ain’t moaning for moaning sake, but Adam should’ve been 3rd down the pecking order at least. How is his record better than Adam's? Before Bojan, Adam was the club's penalty taker and hadn't missed one? Of course people would've gone mad if Jese had missed it, he's not been on the pitch for months, he's never taken a penalty for the club before, we've already had a situation where a billy big bollocks snatched up the ball because he wanted his moment and fucked it up. If Jese had whipped out his smart phone, logged onto transfermarkt.com and showed Adam his 100% penalty record (3 of which were for Real Madrid reserves) then Adam may have relinquished his duty I suppose?
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Post by stantheman on Feb 12, 2018 14:08:32 GMT
Jese’s selfishness ramped up the pressure on Adam. If the PSG premadonna doesn’t apologise to the team he should go. We don’t need people like that in this situation. When your captain tells you to wind your neck in and stop behaving like a spoilt child, that's what you should do. I bet the Brighton goalkeeper was loving every second of watching Jese put our penalty taker under pressure
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 12, 2018 14:11:55 GMT
If Adam when on the pitch is our designated penalty taker, then he should take it. Every player on the side should know it and there should be absolutely no arguments about who takes the kick. These are supposed to be professionals, not 8 year olds in the park wanting to take whatever they win. They never seem to argue about taking free kicks? But because there's a high chance of a goal, players kick off. It's the name on the front of the fucking shirt that counts, not the one on the back.
If Adam was not the designated penalty taker when on the pitch, and the penalty was to be taken by whoever, then that's a shocking of indictment of the state of the club. It's really basic stuff to get right.
Having said all that, there's no excuse for the fat Scottish plodder to miss the rebound.
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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 14:12:06 GMT
His record is better than Adams, plus he won it. I’m of the theory if he’d wanted it Shaq should’ve had it. But he didn’t seem interested before the handbags. As for Jesé missing it, I do t think anyone of a normal mindset would’ve gone mad. I wouldn’t have gone mad even if Adam missed but followed up. The thing that issues me of is he’s taken the penalty when it should’ve been Jese’s over his then literally said fuck it. This is the same player most were saying last week look depressed in an interview. I ain’t a doom monger, don’t think it’s all over so I ain’t moaning for moaning sake, but Adam should’ve been 3rd down the pecking order at least. How is his record better than Adam's? Before Bojan, Adam was the club's penalty taker and hadn't missed one? Of course people would've gone mad if Jese had missed it, he's not been on the pitch for months, he's never taken a penalty for the club before, we've already had a situation where a billy big bollocks snatched up the ball because he wanted his moment and fucked it up. He’s only taken 5 for us since he joined and he’s missed one!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:15:51 GMT
How is his record better than Adam's? Before Bojan, Adam was the club's penalty taker and hadn't missed one? Of course people would've gone mad if Jese had missed it, he's not been on the pitch for months, he's never taken a penalty for the club before, we've already had a situation where a billy big bollocks snatched up the ball because he wanted his moment and fucked it up. He’s only taken 5 for us since he joined and he’s missed one!!!!! Jese has only taken 2 if you discount Real Madrid reserves not sure what your point is?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:16:26 GMT
There’s very little difference between Adam’s miss and the penalty missed by Berahino. They both cost us the same number of points and contributed equally to our potential demise. The only difference (without a distinction) is Adam was under more pressure than Berahino because of the team’s position in the table. Jese’s unprofessional behavior certainly didn’t help either. In hindsight, it’s easy to say someone else should have taken it. However, Adam was the designated penalty taker and 9 times out of 10 he makes it. Er, Berahino's miss didn't cost us anything, we won the game anyway.
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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 14:21:02 GMT
He’s only taken 5 for us since he joined and he’s missed one!!!!! Jese has only taken 2 if you discount Real Madrid reserves not sure what your point is? Firstly, the Real B team plays in the lower leagues so a bit different but I get your point. As for Adam, people seem to be making out he has Alan Shearer or Le Tissier penalty records. He’s taken 5 for us and missed 1.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 14:22:40 GMT
How is his record better than Adam's? Before Bojan, Adam was the club's penalty taker and hadn't missed one? Of course people would've gone mad if Jese had missed it, he's not been on the pitch for months, he's never taken a penalty for the club before, we've already had a situation where a billy big bollocks snatched up the ball because he wanted his moment and fucked it up. If Jese had whipped out his smart phone, logged onto transfermarkt.com and showed Adam his 100% penalty record (3 of which were for Real Madrid reserves) then Adam may have relinquished his duty I suppose? Yep. Bet he's kicking himself.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2018 14:23:10 GMT
Jese has only taken 2 if you discount Real Madrid reserves not sure what your point is? Firstly, the Real B team plays in the lower leagues so a bit different but I get your point. As for Adam, people seem to be making out he has Alan Shearer or Le Tissier penalty records. He’s taken 5 for us and missed 1. How many had he missed before Saturday?
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Post by kristoff on Feb 12, 2018 14:25:20 GMT
Firstly, the Real B team plays in the lower leagues so a bit different but I get your point. As for Adam, people seem to be making out he has Alan Shearer or Le Tissier penalty records. He’s taken 5 for us and missed 1. How many had he missed before Saturday? For us, or in total How many had Jesé missed? How many had Shaq missed? How many had Bera missed......woot victory!!! Ffs. I’m try something now. Black
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Post by thanksjon on Feb 12, 2018 14:34:49 GMT
Penalties are missed by even some of the greats but the fucking reaction to the rebound will haunt me even from the distance of the Boothen end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:40:52 GMT
Jese has only taken 2 if you discount Real Madrid reserves not sure what your point is? Firstly, the Real B team plays in the lower leagues so a bit different but I get your point. As for Adam, people seem to be making out he has Alan Shearer or Le Tissier penalty records. He’s taken 5 for us and missed 1. At the point he took the penalty he had a 100% penalty record. Forgive me for stating the obvious but it doesn’t get any better than that.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 14:49:00 GMT
That is pretty strong, to be fair. He's never taken one for us though and Adam hadn't missed one, so I can't really see why people are whinging. It's all captain hindsight. I can't really see why Adam shouldn't have taken it? Agreed, I back Adam over most other pen takers, he's generally excellent at them. No issue with him taking it, my problem is that it was a shit pen and he absolutely bottled the follow up. Yep I've got no issue with Adam taking the penalty initially, I fully expected it to be him the moment it was awarded. His record speaks for itself. But having seen his reaction (or indeed lack of reaction) to the rebound, due to a lack of fitness either mentally or physically, means that he can surely never ever take another one for us again. I am still absolutely livid about it, we were gifted an absoloutely huge slice of luck, just when we needed it most and due to a lack of fitness we completely blew it.
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