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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:38:58 GMT
Irrelevant. I am just saying that the top sides are showing vulnerability. We have all looked at our fixtures coming up and tried to see where we can get points. I'm pretty sure that most of us have discounted gaining any points from the big boys. I'm sure that we are all hoping and praying that we stay up. If we do, I dare bet that the points that we won to stay up, will not have come from the predictions that we might be making at the moment. I can see us probably getting a win or maybe two draws against the top teams, and losing against Brighton. This is Stoke City that we are talking about here. I know that this board has the most infallible ITK members, but they cannot predict the future. You can to an extent, we are far more likely to beat Brighton at home than we are Man City and you don't need to be an infallible ITK to understand that. And of course how we would have reacted in the same situation as Watford found themselves in tonight is relevant, otherwise your claim that the top teams are vulnerable is spurious. They're only vulnerable if we've got the goods to exploit their weaknesses. We would have been blowing out of our arses by the 82nd minute tonight and there is no way we would have come back from an equaliser to score three in the manner that Watford did. What none of us can predict is how PFL can change our team. It looks like he is working them hard at the moment, and in theory the team should improve. We have a couple of new players that could make a big difference. There are two points of view on this, as i see it. All of his efforts could come to nowt - in which case we are fucked. OR. His hard work pays off, and we get results. Enough results to keep us up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 5, 2018 22:56:46 GMT
You can to an extent, we are far more likely to beat Brighton at home than we are Man City and you don't need to be an infallible ITK to understand that. And of course how we would have reacted in the same situation as Watford found themselves in tonight is relevant, otherwise your claim that the top teams are vulnerable is spurious. They're only vulnerable if we've got the goods to exploit their weaknesses. We would have been blowing out of our arses by the 82nd minute tonight and there is no way we would have come back from an equaliser to score three in the manner that Watford did. What none of us can predict is how PFL can change our team. It looks like he is working them hard at the moment, and in theory the team should improve. We have a couple of new players that could make a big difference. There are two points of view on this, as i see it. All of his efforts could come to nowt - in which case we are fucked. OR. His hard work pays off, and we get results. Enough results to keep us up. If PFL keeps us up, then he will have earned every single penny of his bonus for doing so and then some - he will have performed a modern day miracle. At his disposal, he currenrly has a squad that is short on fitness, short on pace and short on quality, he knows it, they know it and we know it. I don't see a squad there capable of bloodying the noses of the top teams but with a fair following wind, we can still beat your Brighton's, Palace's and Swansea's. It's not over yet, far from it but Saturday really is the most important game that we've played in for the last ten years.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 5, 2018 23:11:03 GMT
I believe we can. Honestly. Whether we do or not...... I have absolutely no belief in this team this squad this manager this board there is no other team worse off than us in every sense of the word in the PL Any other club woukd have got a striker in this January window Not us though As much as it pains me i am 100% convinced we are going down Might as well jack it in then pal. You've convinced me you are unable to support this team in any way at all unless we are winning ??? Not sure what will change beyond this point for you, save your breath and pack it in completely. You've outlined it "clearly"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 23:13:53 GMT
What none of us can predict is how PFL can change our team. It looks like he is working them hard at the moment, and in theory the team should improve. We have a couple of new players that could make a big difference. There are two points of view on this, as i see it. All of his efforts could come to nowt - in which case we are fucked. OR. His hard work pays off, and we get results. Enough results to keep us up. If PFL keeps us up, then he will have earned every single penny of his bonus for doing so and then some - he will have performed a modern day miracle. At his disposal, he currenrly has a squad that is short on fitness, short on pace and short on quality, he knows it, they know it and we know it. I don't see a squad there capable of bloodying the noses of the top teams but with a fair following wind, we can still beat your Brighton's, Palace's and Swansea's. It's not over yet, far from it but Saturday really is the most important game that we've played in for the last ten years. So we will just have to wait and see. I'm not as certain as you are that we can't get two or three points off the big boys. Fitness can be improved massively in quite a short period of time. It certainly doesn't take months. I know that from personal experience. If our team are 75% better, fitness wise, after the next break, I wouldn't be surprised at all. The question that does need answering is how could this bunch be allowed to get so unfit? If that is indeed the case. That is a question for the players. The players, in fact a lot of footballers, are by definition not the most intelligent people that inhabit this planet (there are , of course, many exceptions to that rule). But even they understand that SCFC could be relegated, and they know that their future will depend upon their own performances and fitness.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 5, 2018 23:19:24 GMT
I have absolutely no belief in this team this squad this manager this board there is no other team worse off than us in every sense of the word in the PL Any other club woukd have got a striker in this January window Not us though As much as it pains me i am 100% convinced we are going down Might as well jack it in then pal. You've convinced me you are unable to support this team in any way at all unless we are winning ??? Not sure what will change beyond this point for you, save your breath and pack it in completely. You've outlined it "clearly" Its not a question of support I have supported this team for the past 40 years and will continue to do so I'm just making a realistic assessment of the situation Is that so hard to understand ?
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 5, 2018 23:24:59 GMT
Might as well jack it in then pal. You've convinced me you are unable to support this team in any way at all unless we are winning ??? Not sure what will change beyond this point for you, save your breath and pack it in completely. You've outlined it "clearly" Its not a question of support I have supported this team for the past 40 years and will continue to do so I'm just making a realistic assessment of the situation Is that so hard to understand ? I'm not arguing with you mate, go have a sleep. It's 630pm here I just got off work mate
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 2:42:51 GMT
What none of us can predict is how PFL can change our team. It looks like he is working them hard at the moment, and in theory the team should improve. We have a couple of new players that could make a big difference. There are two points of view on this, as i see it. All of his efforts could come to nowt - in which case we are fucked. OR. His hard work pays off, and we get results. Enough results to keep us up. If PFL keeps us up, then he will have earned every single penny of his bonus for doing so and then some - he will have performed a modern day miracle. At his disposal, he currenrly has a squad that is short on fitness, short on pace and short on quality, he knows it, they know it and we know it. I don't see a squad there capable of bloodying the noses of the top teams but with a fair following wind, we can still beat your Brighton's, Palace's and Swansea's. It's not over yet, far from it but Saturday really is the most important game that we've played in for the last ten years. We all know the situation that we are in. I would say now that with a fitter team, and with the new players, we can do what is needed to stay up, apart from one thing ..... We simply do not have a player that can hit the back of net. Crouch may do it on occasions. Diouf for me simply isn't a footballer at all. A hard worker yes. Gives it his all, yes. In my opinion he is another Regis. Regis couldn't score if his arse was on fire. If Diouf can get his act together, we may stay up. I think that everything rests on him.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 6, 2018 4:13:04 GMT
If PFL keeps us up, then he will have earned every single penny of his bonus for doing so and then some - he will have performed a modern day miracle. At his disposal, he currenrly has a squad that is short on fitness, short on pace and short on quality, he knows it, they know it and we know it. I don't see a squad there capable of bloodying the noses of the top teams but with a fair following wind, we can still beat your Brighton's, Palace's and Swansea's. It's not over yet, far from it but Saturday really is the most important game that we've played in for the last ten years. We all know the situation that we are in. I would say now that with a fitter team, and with the new players, we can do what is needed to stay up, apart from one thing ..... We simply do not have a player that can hit the back of net. Crouch may do it on occasions. Diouf for me simply isn't a footballer at all. A hard worker yes. Gives it his all, yes. In my opinion he is another Regis. Regis couldn't score if his arse was on fire. If Diouf can get his act together, we may stay up. I think that everything rests on him. KEEP THE FAITH
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 6, 2018 5:44:42 GMT
Its not a question of support I have supported this team for the past 40 years and will continue to do so I'm just making a realistic assessment of the situation Is that so hard to understand ? I'm not arguing with you mate, go have a sleep. It's 630pm here I just got off work mate Where do you live mate?
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Post by pb1863 on Feb 6, 2018 10:49:45 GMT
Just watched the highlights. It didn’t look like a sending off or penalty. Mike Superstar Dean bottles it again. Like us v west ham we concede a penalty after diving. It’s a friggin joke
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:25:18 GMT
We still have to play Liverpool and Chelsea. It's up to us to do what the " likes of Watford, Swansea, Bournemouth etc" have done. If we do we deserve to stay up. If we don't then we'll go down deservedly. Simple, isn't it? Except that we all know that we wont No pace in attack Hoofing the ball to an immobile lamp post will not get us any results against the big teams From your comments here and elsewhere it's clear you want Stoke to be relegated, I don't. It's a matter of belief. If the players believe that we will win the majority of our remaining games there's at least a chance we will stay up. If on the other hand they walk out, as you do, counting everything that we don't do well, then we've already lost, and as I say, deserve to go down. We have to play to our strengths, not to our faults.
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Post by sutekh on Feb 6, 2018 14:12:27 GMT
If I was paul lambert and I managed to keep this crock of shit in the premier league,I would take my £1m bonus and quit straight away while my stock was high.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 6, 2018 19:30:06 GMT
Except that we all know that we wont No pace in attack Hoofing the ball to an immobile lamp post will not get us any results against the big teams From your comments here and elsewhere it's clear you want Stoke to be relegated, I don't. It's a matter of belief. If the players believe that we will win the majority of our remaining games there's at least a chance we will stay up. If on the other hand they walk out, as you do, counting everything that we don't do well, then we've already lost, and as I say, deserve to go down. We have to play to our strengths, not to our faults. What a ridiculous comment !!! Of course i do not want the team i have suppprted all my life to be relegated !!! But i beleive that with all the amateurish management, the penny pinching and all the wrong decisions taken we will get relegated
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 11:58:03 GMT
From your comments here and elsewhere it's clear you want Stoke to be relegated, I don't. It's a matter of belief. If the players believe that we will win the majority of our remaining games there's at least a chance we will stay up. If on the other hand they walk out, as you do, counting everything that we don't do well, then we've already lost, and as I say, deserve to go down. We have to play to our strengths, not to our faults. What a ridiculous comment !!! Of course i do not want the team i have suppprted all my life to be relegated !!! But i beleive that with all the amateurish management, the penny pinching and all the wrong decisions taken we will get relegated You want your club to stay up, but you want the team to go down.
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Post by thegift on Feb 7, 2018 12:45:45 GMT
Except that we all know that we wont No pace in attack Hoofing the ball to an immobile lamp post will not get us any results against the big teams We have to play to our strengths, not to our faults. What are our strengths??
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 7, 2018 13:42:57 GMT
We have to play to our strengths, not to our faults. What are our strengths?? If I am reading between the lines correctly, kpsja seems to think that having an immobile 7 foot lamp post up front is one of our strengths ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 14:49:56 GMT
What are our strengths?? If I am reading between the lines correctly, kpsja seems to think that having an immobile 7 foot lamp post up front is one of our strengths .... If we play him right he could be. But we usually don't. Crouch is a more than decent footballer on the ground. If we used him as part of our combination play, he could be influential as well as chipping in with the odd goal with his feet. Save the headers for corners and freekicks, when the presence of Shawcross can also be disturbing for defences. But if we just hoof the ball forwards with no one near him to pick up second balls, then he can be nullified. With Diouf it's different, his ball control is often poor, but he has great pace, certainly compared to any lamp post, and he does have a knack for scoring goals when you've almost given up on him. After all he is our pseudo top scorer. Although Jese is probably best as an attacking midfielder, at this point I'd like to see him play up front as a Spanish striker. He is skillful, pacey and wholly unpredictable for defenders. I don't think he's lacking fitness, I think his problem is more psychological. As for what Berahino's strengths are I have no idea. Finally I'd like to see Shaqiri returned to the central position.
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Post by thegift on Feb 7, 2018 15:18:09 GMT
If I am reading between the lines correctly, kpsja seems to think that having an immobile 7 foot lamp post up front is one of our strengths .... If we play him right he could be. But we usually don't. Crouch is a more than decent footballer on the ground. If we used him as part of our combination play, he could be influential as well as chipping in with the odd goal with his feet. Save the headers for corners and freekicks, when the presence of Shawcross can also be disturbing for defences. But if we just hoof the ball forwards with no one near him to pick up second balls, then he can be nullified. With Diouf it's different, his ball control is often poor, but he has great pace, certainly compared to any lamp post, and he does have a knack for scoring goals when you've almost given up on him. After all he is our pseudo top scorer. Although Jese is probably best as an attacking midfielder, at this point I'd like to see him play up front as a Spanish striker. He is skillful, pacey and wholly unpredictable for defenders. I don't think he's lacking fitness, I think his problem is more psychological. As for what Berahino's strengths are I have no idea. Finally I'd like to see Shaqiri returned to the central position. if we play him right '"he could be" - So crouch isn't a strength. Diouf does not have great pace, hes got good acceleration but hes not someone i would call great pace (sterling, rashford, walcott etc) therefore not a strength Jese - we haven't seen enough of him to warrant an opinion. - not a strength berahino - wank. not a strength. Everything has to go through shaq - our only strength.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:58:49 GMT
If we play him right he could be. But we usually don't. Crouch is a more than decent footballer on the ground. If we used him as part of our combination play, he could be influential as well as chipping in with the odd goal with his feet. Save the headers for corners and freekicks, when the presence of Shawcross can also be disturbing for defences. But if we just hoof the ball forwards with no one near him to pick up second balls, then he can be nullified. With Diouf it's different, his ball control is often poor, but he has great pace, certainly compared to any lamp post, and he does have a knack for scoring goals when you've almost given up on him. After all he is our pseudo top scorer. Although Jese is probably best as an attacking midfielder, at this point I'd like to see him play up front as a Spanish striker. He is skillful, pacey and wholly unpredictable for defenders. I don't think he's lacking fitness, I think his problem is more psychological. As for what Berahino's strengths are I have no idea. Finally I'd like to see Shaqiri returned to the central position. if we play him right '"he could be" - So crouch isn't a strength. Diouf does not have great pace, hes got good acceleration but hes not someone i would call great pace (sterling, rashford, walcott etc) therefore not a strength Jese - we haven't seen enough of him to warrant an opinion. - not a strength berahino - wank. not a strength. Everything has to go through shaq - our only strength. That's what I said in the original post. If we play to our weaknesses we deserve to go down. We've been counterproductive for a long time. In the nearly seven years Crouch has been here, he's rarely been played to his and our strength. If we started doing that we might just see a change, but if you give up beforehand, as you do, then we are doomed.
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