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Post by loosestools on Feb 4, 2018 17:01:59 GMT
, Yea they'd spend £14m on a player just as we go down. Don't be daft! Its genuinely not a daft question. The board might find the task of running a succesful and profitable club in the championship more viable long term than in the prem The prem is rigged in favour of the elite... They get the best players, we dont.. Eventually They win and we lose. And yes i know once every thirty years you get a leicester My girlfriend knew the chairman of reading when they went up, and he said to her, the prem was just more wages, more mardy over paid players and agents, more hassle and less chance of a win on a saturday afternoon. Basically he would rather be in the championship because for him, the prem was a game of poker miles too rich for him. If you cant afford to play the game, Do something else. Play another game. We can all buy a Rolls Royce of some sorts, but can we afford to do it up with genuine parts, put fuel in it up and maintain the bloody thing?
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Post by skelman on Feb 4, 2018 17:06:18 GMT
No they don't want us to go down but they've been acting like they're preparing for us to go down for a while now!
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 4, 2018 17:09:00 GMT
Its not inconceivable. See Mike Ashley. I know... Championship wages, Championship transfer fees, and 50,000 fans comming through the stadium ( and club shop, club bars etc) for a lot more games than you get in the prem Brilliant!
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Post by magwitch on Feb 4, 2018 17:12:28 GMT
Wow, just wow. There`s a high level of IQ on this board at times........ Not yet reached the boardroom though!!
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Post by lifelong on Feb 4, 2018 17:18:28 GMT
don't think they WANT us to go down but they're always do it on the cheap. Gambling on players who have fallen out of favour, loan loan loan signings, bargain basements from unknown leagues, its all become a familiar story. I love Lambert and 14 million for Badou is great but a drop in the ocean really.They do have the money,BET365 is mega bucks, but they do not have genuine ambition to win anything and we have to accept that, in the EPL or championship, alternatively support some other team.
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 4, 2018 17:18:57 GMT
I cant prove it, but I suspect a newcastle utd or stoke city or a wolves can get their cost structure right and do well on and off the pitch in the championship.
I wouldnt go as far as to say Its an aim, but I would say the championship is financially more our level than the prem
I think the prem elite are playing a game of poker / moneyball / whatever you call it... That is miles too rich for stoke city... And we are just sitting it out and watching from the sidelines
So, imo, it would Make sense if the board had a contingency plan, of being relegated to the championship.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 4, 2018 17:25:47 GMT
Its not inconceivable. See Mike Ashley. I know... Championship wages, Championship transfer fees, and 50,000 fans comming through the stadium ( and club shop, club bars etc) for a lot more games than you get in the prem Brilliant! Unfortunately that will not work for us. There will I suspect be a lot of empty seats if we go down as has happened before,.
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Post by slashisastokie on Feb 4, 2018 17:26:47 GMT
From a commercial point of view BET365 will want to be associated with a Premier League club and all the kudos, publicity and leverage that brings. If we were to be relegated it could have a huge detrimental effect on their P&L account/ bottom line
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2018 17:28:56 GMT
Going down is a nightmare scenario for any PL club - ours included. To believe anything else is nonsense. Agreed, so why are they letting it happen?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 4, 2018 17:29:09 GMT
Do wonder how this season and the situation we find ourselves in are going to affect season ticket sales though!!! I know of 5 who will not renew at early Bird and not at all if we go down. Not me so don't shoot the messenger.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 4, 2018 17:32:48 GMT
From a commercial point of view BET365 will want to be associated with a Premier League club and all the kudos, publicity and leverage that brings. If we were to be relegated it could have a huge detrimental effect on their P&L account/ bottom line BET 365 is nothing to do with Stoke City apart from the Stadium name. Gamblers worldwide are addicts and could not give a shit. Who gives the best odds?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 4, 2018 17:33:32 GMT
Do wonder how this season and the situation we find ourselves in are going to affect season ticket sales though!!! I know of 5 who will not renew at early Bird and not at all if we go down. Not me so don't shoot the messenger. No need for any shots....it's gonna happen, there'll be plenty having a long hard think about renewing, and there'll be some who won't even have to think hard about it.... I really don't understand how the club have allowed it to get to this....playing the game they have done will surely come back and bite them on the arse.....especially when that new corner looks empty!!!
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Post by Absolution on Feb 4, 2018 17:36:21 GMT
Yes. In fact they're currently in negotiations with North Korea for their first nuclear missile to target the stadium so they can just claim the insurance and use nuclear fallout as the reason why they have to shut the club down. Small print in the season tickets though means even though there is no club, you will still be charged each year and the money will go to a fund for the player you complain about most. I'm a bit more reassured now I know we've got the insurance side of things covered this time.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 4, 2018 17:39:35 GMT
Yes. In fact they're currently in negotiations with North Korea for their first nuclear missile to target the stadium so they can just claim the insurance and use nuclear fallout as the reason why they have to shut the club down. Small print in the season tickets though means even though there is no club, you will still be charged each year and the money will go to a fund for the player you complain about most. I'm a bit more reassured now I know we've got the insurance side of things covered this time. I told you 'just blow the bloody doors off'
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Post by Absolution on Feb 4, 2018 17:43:41 GMT
Do wonder how this season and the situation we find ourselves in are going to affect season ticket sales though!!! I know of 5 who will not renew at early Bird and not at all if we go down. Not me so don't shoot the messenger. I don't think we should underestimate the effect that football wearyness might have on season ticket sales. So many supporters are totally hacked off with the way the game's gone - borderline or genuinely corrupt with the top clubs being given every advantage to become even richer. I fear relegation might be the tipping point that some (possibly older supporters) will use to cut the ties on a 'sport' that's leaving them and their club behind.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 4, 2018 17:43:45 GMT
I know of 5 who will not renew at early Bird and not at all if we go down. Not me so don't shoot the messenger. No need for any shots....it's gonna happen, there'll be plenty having a long hard think about renewing, and there'll be some who won't even have to think hard about it.... I really don't understand how the club have allowed it to get to this....playing the game they have done will surely come back and bite them on the arse.....especially when that new corner looks empty!!! Really struggling to get my lad to renew, he's been bored shitless for 18 months like the rest of us and values the money he earns.I've even said I'll pay for his ticket and he said don't bother. He missed the Huddresfield game due to work commitments, I talked everything up ready for the Watford game and then boooooom, all my hard work gets undone
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 4, 2018 17:47:09 GMT
I know of 5 who will not renew at early Bird and not at all if we go down. Not me so don't shoot the messenger. I don't think we should underestimate the effect that football wearyness might have on season ticket sales. So many supporters are totally hacked off with the way the game's gone - borderline or genuinely corrupt with the top clubs being given every advantage to become even richer. I fear relegation might be the tipping point that some (possibly older supporters) will use to cut the ties on a 'sport' that's leaving them and their club behind. The one benefit of relegation will be that we won't have to watch this effeminate, fanny of a game that the premier league has become.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 4, 2018 17:49:06 GMT
I don't think we should underestimate the effect that football wearyness might have on season ticket sales. So many supporters are totally hacked off with the way the game's gone - borderline or genuinely corrupt with the top clubs being given every advantage to become even richer. I fear relegation might be the tipping point that some (possibly older supporters) will use to cut the ties on a 'sport' that's leaving them and their club behind. The one benefit of relegation will be that we won't have to watch this effeminate, fanny of a game that the premier league has become. And our dearest wish if we go down is that we come straight back up again.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 4, 2018 18:04:32 GMT
No need for any shots....it's gonna happen, there'll be plenty having a long hard think about renewing, and there'll be some who won't even have to think hard about it.... I really don't understand how the club have allowed it to get to this....playing the game they have done will surely come back and bite them on the arse.....especially when that new corner looks empty!!! Really struggling to get my lad to renew, he's been bored shitless for 18 months like the rest of us and values the money he earns.I've even said I'll pay for his ticket and he said don't bother. He missed the Huddresfield game due to work commitments, I talked everything up ready for the Watford game and then boooooom, all my hard work gets undone That Watford game could be the straw that broke the camels back for a few people!!!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 4, 2018 18:37:21 GMT
.......and worse still 8 more matches to punish us further .........
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 4, 2018 18:41:42 GMT
Probably not, but they haven't done everything they can to keep us up, by a long way.
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Post by slashisastokie on Feb 4, 2018 18:44:58 GMT
From a commercial point of view BET365 will want to be associated with a Premier League club and all the kudos, publicity and leverage that brings. If we were to be relegated it could have a huge detrimental effect on their P&L account/ bottom line BET 365 is nothing to do with Stoke City apart from the Stadium name. Gamblers worldwide are addicts and could not give a shit. Who gives the best odds? Errrrrmmm isnt that BET365 all over the front of our team's shirts too??? BET365 and Stoke City are intrinsically linked via the Coates family. I cant believe they would prefer their mulit gazzilion pound company name was adorning th shirts and stadium of a Championship club... success breads success in business
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Post by Boothen on Feb 4, 2018 19:00:16 GMT
Yes. In fact they're currently in negotiations with North Korea for their first nuclear missile to target the stadium so they can just claim the insurance and use nuclear fallout as the reason why they have to shut the club down. Just more proof of how fucking inept they are. DPRoK's nukes couldn't hit an island with any degree of accuracy, so a stadium....
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 4, 2018 19:25:36 GMT
Do they think staying in the Premiership is far too expensive,average players going for £20m. plus high wages? Upgrading the players with more expensive ones plus their higher wage demands every season,must eat up most if not all of those £millions we get from the Prem.Shirley. of course they don't
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Post by Jimm on Feb 4, 2018 20:02:20 GMT
The lack of ambition and urgency is as clear as day. They failed to act in the summer by thinking the problems of the season before would fix themselves by preparing better in pre season...
Then they cost us value weeks at the start of the year when it was so obvious, that there was no way back for Hughes.
Then with their last throw of the dice, they have failed in the window to strengthen our key area's...
This is why we'll now vanish in to the football league and with the same owners and CEO in charge, we stand no real chance of ever returning.
But at least they've some what balanced the books and saved a couple of million (like they need it), here and there and added to that, Mr Scholes has saved soo much money in transfer fee's, wages and agent fees. What a great job he does for the club :)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 20:12:10 GMT
If they do...they are spending a lot to do it
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 4, 2018 20:35:01 GMT
The board havent really ' failed ' to make stoke city a force in The premier league
They have more watched The elite clubs play a game of high stakes poker / moneyball, from The sidelines with no intention of getting involved whatsoever
To be fair, its a game of unbelievably high stakes, The likes of which has never been seen before.
And other clubs such as wba swansea And huddersfield have also sat their watching on from The sidelines too
May be The reality is wba stoke swansea huddersfield etc are not ' stupid' to want sit out such a massively expensive game. But are much more likely to be relegated than The man citys liverpools etc
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 4, 2018 20:59:36 GMT
Going down is a nightmare scenario for any PL club - ours included. To believe anything else is nonsense. Agreed, so why are they letting it happen? By that logic, why would ANY club let it happen? Three teams have to go down and the three who do go down do so because they did less well than 17 other teams. 20 teams are trying to avoid being one of the worst 3 teams and they all have their own dreams and ambitions. But 3 HAVE to go down. If every single club in the Premier League spent £200m each on buying the best players possible three of them would still have to get relegated. None of them are 'letting it happen' but it has to happen to somebody and this season it may be us. For the first real time in 10 years we're involved in that fight. Mistakes have been made and the board invested too much faith in a man who'd previously done well for the club. If they could go back and have another go at this season I'm sure they'd do it differently. You're an intelligent bloke Pugs and you know all this.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2018 22:18:20 GMT
Agreed, so why are they letting it happen? By that logic, why would ANY club let it happen? Three teams have to go down and the three who do go down do so because they did less well than 17 other teams. 20 teams are trying to avoid being one of the worst 3 teams and they all have their own dreams and ambitions. But 3 HAVE to go down. If every single club in the Premier League spent £200m each on buying the best players possible three of them would still have to get relegated. None of them are 'letting it happen' but it has to happen to somebody and this season it may be us. For the first real time in 10 years we're involved in that fight. Mistakes have been made and the board invested too much faith in a man who'd previously done well for the club. If they could go back and have another go at this season I'm sure they'd do it differently. You're an intelligent bloke Pugs and you know all this. If every club spent the same then I'd accept it but we all know that isn't the case. Mistakes have been made ever since we've been in the PL and it's culminating in relegation. 10 years and all that money yet we're still not a forward thinking modern day PL club. Very much like the City itself, we're a backwater. If we go down we are screwed. Another quarter of a century in the wilderness. Would they really do anything differently this season? I very much doubt it.
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Post by santy on Feb 4, 2018 23:08:47 GMT
By that logic, why would ANY club let it happen? Three teams have to go down and the three who do go down do so because they did less well than 17 other teams. 20 teams are trying to avoid being one of the worst 3 teams and they all have their own dreams and ambitions. But 3 HAVE to go down. If every single club in the Premier League spent £200m each on buying the best players possible three of them would still have to get relegated. None of them are 'letting it happen' but it has to happen to somebody and this season it may be us. For the first real time in 10 years we're involved in that fight. Mistakes have been made and the board invested too much faith in a man who'd previously done well for the club. If they could go back and have another go at this season I'm sure they'd do it differently. You're an intelligent bloke Pugs and you know all this. If every club spent the same then I'd accept it but we all know that isn't the case. Mistakes have been made ever since we've been in the PL and it's culminating in relegation. 10 years and all that money yet we're still not a forward thinking modern day PL club. Very much like the City itself, we're a backwater. If we go down we are screwed. Another quarter of a century in the wilderness. Would they really do anything differently this season? I very much doubt it. I like posts like this, such a dislike of the owners that it just weakens any merits of thoughts you might have because you can't manage to keep them coherent. You even buy in to the make believe scenario offered by Smudge and then say they would do everything the same. It's such a special line of thinking that I can't even get a firm grasp on it. It's marvellous because if you truly believe it, then you've got no right being allowed to dress yourself in a morning. If you don't believe it, then it's just hollow and meaningless.
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