|
Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 14:59:26 GMT
I keep reading that we haven't won a game he's started and took it as fact hence my post on the first page of this thread. It's bollocks though. He started vs West Brom and Swansea. I've seen and heard this stat a few times, where did it come from? It reminds me of one TPs stats from back in the day. 😂 Ah well, that’ll teach me to parrot something I heard somewhere else, without checking. Other stuff still applies though. Yeat it's what I did and I liked it! 😂
|
|
|
Post by vahl on Feb 4, 2018 15:07:46 GMT
The writing has been on the wall for 3 years or more now. He was done when TP vacated the building for me but I can see why he stayed around under Hughes.
He is brilliant at what he does, in fact he is too good at it. Do you know why he's too good at it? Because when you have 1 player out of 11 that can influence decisions such as tactics, tempo, playing style and such you are essentially a 1 man band. His abilities force you to play to his strengths. Not a good thing in the grand scheme of it.
With him being so good at what he does, you leave the whole team open to a situation such as 'Crouch plays good, we play good. He plays bad, we play bad". Take a look at the correlation between that and club results & performances.
We have used him far too commonly over the last 3 years without playing to said strengths which is not his fault but some people at the club have been too scared to change him out - that much is clear.
You either play Laurel & Hardy style (big man, small man) or you surround him with pace and crossing. Neither has happened under Sparky really and in many ways Crouch was always Plan A under his management, which makes this strange.
We are using him now out of pure desperation it seems.
|
|
|
Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 17:27:26 GMT
He’s one of my favorite players and I agree it’s ludicrous that people defend that shit. I get loyalty and experience all that, but all match? Starting? Come the fuck on! Glen Murray 34 starting every game for Brighton who are getting out of trouble Yes but he's mobile and fit to run a full 90mins, unlike Crouch and Fletcher.
|
|
|
Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 17:31:06 GMT
I’m going to disagree massively and the etymological evidence is there ^. They’re actions and inaction, as I’ve pointed out is their own doing unless you think Devine intervention causes them to not use subs or makes changes in a match ? Two different managers, both using 34+ year old seniors until 85 mins away from home, both isolated Crouch... both unable to see basics of this simple aspect of game management, yet Howe has twice in one season versus these mentioned. I think you’re understating to save face. Mark was a good manager for us who went on too long. Lambo has only been in charge for three games. Theee games and you already have it in for him. I aren't happy with how he handled Bournemouth either. However, labelling him an idiot at this stage says more about your approach than his erroneous game management. I don't have it in for him, I'm actually saying it how it is, he's not very good at game management and he should know to not self-defeat himself because if he had a plan and powerpoint, I sure as fuck hope it had use subs in it. If he doesn't alter that next match I'm going to call him an insane idiot completeing the same mistakes over and over. You're not going to get me to feel all cuddly warm for a new manager three games in who does idiotic things, sorry. Good if you can, I can't.
|
|
|
Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 17:58:45 GMT
Glen Murray 34 starting every game for Brighton who are getting out of trouble Yes but he's mobile and fit to run a full 90mins, unlike Crouch and Fletcher. He’s as mobile as Crouch. Who has never been mobile ever. Nor was Tedfy Sheringham
|
|
|
Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 18:56:01 GMT
Yes but he's mobile and fit to run a full 90mins, unlike Crouch and Fletcher. He’s as mobile as Crouch. Who has never been mobile ever. Nor was Tedfy Sheringham You're stretching that nose a little bit there mate. Glenn Murray could run rings around Crouchy in a race.
|
|
|
Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 18:59:59 GMT
He’s as mobile as Crouch. Who has never been mobile ever. Nor was Tedfy Sheringham You're stretching that nose a little bit there mate. Glenn Murray could run rings around Crouchy in a race. Don’t want to be contrary mate but he really couldn’t
|
|
|
Post by hinckpotter on Feb 4, 2018 19:02:02 GMT
The problem when playing crouchie up front alone is obvious, any flick ons go to nobody, it also limits the attacking midfield options as there is never a through ball on, hence why we get so far up the pitch and then look confused if we can't get it to a winger for a cross. It makes it easier for the opposition who double up on any winger in a crossing position. If he's up front in a two it's a different ball game altogether. But he should never ever be starting upfront alone.
|
|
|
Post by alster on Feb 4, 2018 19:02:23 GMT
I thought Lambert knew about our team and our players if so why go back to starting Crouch? Its been shown time and time and time again under 3 managers now that its not the answer. The sooner we fuck him off and force whoever is manager to find another way the better as long as he's there we're always going to come back to this recurring point.
|
|
|
Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 19:03:46 GMT
You're stretching that nose a little bit there mate. Glenn Murray could run rings around Crouchy in a race. Don’t want to be contrary mate but he really couldn’t Ha yea he could. I love Crouch but he's not fast at all, infact he's probably the slowest player in the league.
|
|
|
Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 19:04:04 GMT
I thought Lambert knew about our team and our players if so why go back to starting Crouch? Its been shown time and time and time again under 3 managers now that its not the answer. The sooner we fuck him off and force whoever is manager to find another way the better as long as he's there we're always going to come back to this recurring point. Mmm I wonder why managers always turn to him?
|
|
|
Post by alster on Feb 4, 2018 19:08:13 GMT
I thought Lambert knew about our team and our players if so why go back to starting Crouch? Its been shown time and time and time again under 3 managers now that its not the answer. The sooner we fuck him off and force whoever is manager to find another way the better as long as he's there we're always going to come back to this recurring point. Mmm I wonder why managers always turn to him? Because they refuse to accept the evidence available to them by watching our team it doesn't work and never really has.
|
|
|
Post by ParaPsych on Feb 4, 2018 19:12:31 GMT
It's a myth that we've never been good when Crouch has been a regular starter.
He started nearly every game at the end of Hughes' first season and we were terrific.
We had pace on the flanks though and people getting quickly up in support with the likes of Odemwingie in there.
|
|
|
Post by shangamuzo on Feb 4, 2018 19:20:40 GMT
I thought Crouch played well first half set us away twice with clever flicks hit the bar and the keeper saved one . When he was in the team i had raised my eyebrows as i thought Diouf a better option. As the game went we werent forced back and took the game to them. But whatever he and Chopo should have been off on 60 mins for Ramadan and Diouf.It stuck out a mile they just pushed right up,good tacticts on their part. Ill give the manager benefit of the doubt but it was a mistake in my view not making the subs then. My hunch is Crouch couldn't give a flying fuck what the fans think of him at this stage of his career. Neither would I, if only somebody would pay me 60 grand a week. They could call me all the kunts under the sun all day every day.
|
|
|
Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 19:22:15 GMT
Mmm I wonder why managers always turn to him? Because they refuse to accept the evidence available to them by watching our team it doesn't work and never really has. I mean what do Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes and Paul Lambert know about footballers ?
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2018 19:30:31 GMT
Because they refuse to accept the evidence available to them by watching our team it doesn't work and never really has. I mean what do Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes and Paul Lambert know about footballers ? You've let yourself down there using Pulis All he wanted was a big lump to aim at, anything else was a bonus.
|
|
|
Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 19:53:52 GMT
I mean what do Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes and Paul Lambert know about footballers ? You've let yourself down there using Pulis All he wanted was a big lump to aim at, anything else was a bonus. Ha ha!!! I’ll take that😂
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on Feb 4, 2018 23:24:11 GMT
There is a time and place for Crouchy, certain games and off the bench. It all reminds me of how Toxic kept wheeling out Creswell, flogging him to death, and later to a certain extent with Walters. We all love Crouchy really, we are badly short up top.
|
|