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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2018 9:47:40 GMT
You are of course correct...crouch doesn't deserve the bashing he's getting. He gives his best and he's a good egg.
It's the useless twat that picked him that should get the bashing but once picked people are obviously going to comment on another soul destroying performance from the beanpole striker.
We might as well stick a lamppost up front as play crouch.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 9:59:09 GMT
‘Beanpole’ ‘Lampost’. And you’re not agenda driven? Why not insult our black players? Is Charlie ‘a fat bastard’ according to you?
Wow! Let yourself down and showed your true colours
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Post by RAF on Feb 4, 2018 10:01:24 GMT
‘Beanpole’ ‘Lampost’. And you’re not agenda driven? Why not insult our black players? Is Charlie ‘a fat bastard’ according to you? Wow! Let yourself down and showed your true colours FFS H
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 10:35:55 GMT
It wouldn’t be fair to criticise crouch yesterday. However it would be fair to criticise the manager that left him on when he could clearly see he was shattered and offering nothing. It was crying out for somebody to offer an outlet or run the channel to ease the pressure.
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Post by kevkj on Feb 4, 2018 11:13:07 GMT
So we stick with him when it obviously isn’t working yeah ? See you in the championship Kev I think k it did work we should have been 3 up.Not taking him off on the hour was the issue.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2018 12:14:44 GMT
‘Beanpole’ ‘Lampost’. And you’re not agenda driven? Why not insult our black players? Is Charlie ‘a fat bastard’ according to you? Wow! Let yourself down and showed your true colours No agenda, just an opinion. When was last time we won a game when he started? When was the last time we looked an effective team when he started? When was last time he scored when he started? At least if we go down he'll be useful in the championship. He's been referred to as a beanpole striker throughout his career. Crouch is effective if the ball, be it at his head or feet, is with a foot of him. If he has to move, he's totally ineffective. I still blame the manager. I blame the manager that signed him, the previous manager that used him as a comfort blanket and the current manager for reverting to him after 2 fucking weeks. Crouch is wank. We are wank and our manager is wank.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 4, 2018 12:22:00 GMT
He’s one of my favorite players and I agree it’s ludicrous that people defend that shit. I get loyalty and experience all that, but all match? Starting? Come the fuck on! Glen Murray 34 starting every game for Brighton who are getting out of trouble The difference is.....he's scoring goals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 12:23:46 GMT
The Crouch slating on here is agenda driven by some who just don’t like him never have and try to use daft logic to justify that prejudice. What they don’t get is why managers use target men A team like ours needs an out ball when the defence or Jack are under pressure particularly away from home. People on here are obsessed with pace. Are Diouf or Berahino going to win headers from A Ryan clearance or a Jack goal kick?, No it would come straight back. You hold it up and bring others into play. It worked great in the first half yesterday with Choupo-Moting and Shaqiri particularly running off Crouch. You then have the set piece threat. Crouch hit the bar from one. You then have the aerial defensive ability. Crouch cleared numerous corners away . It’s why Conte used Pelle for Italy and why he got Giroud. It’s why Brighton use Glen Murray who is 34 by the way. Of course if you have pace and height like Lukaku or Aubameyang it’s ideal. But they’re £70 million. Drogba was a great example. We don’t have that and Diouf and Berahino aren’t really quick and have awful touch. I fully understand why Diouf was dropped yesterday. Unless he scores he offers the team nothing. Crouch does Crouch isn't an out-ball. That's kind of the point. He's nowhere near good enough to fulfil the role. Part of that admittedly, is that we just don't get men around him. But his presence encourages 'the hoof', and our ball retention disappears down the shitter. If we'd sold him in the Window, we'd be in better shape for the rest of the season, because we'd have to actually think about what we're doing. Even with our remaining forward options I think that. Just my opinion.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 12:27:54 GMT
‘He’s nowhere near good enough to fulfill that role’. Yes 22 goals for England , playing in a Champions League final , winning an Fa Cup medal and scoring the best goal ever seen at the Bet 365 would of course indicate you are correct
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 12:29:10 GMT
‘Beanpole’ ‘Lampost’. And you’re not agenda driven? Why not insult our black players? Is Charlie ‘a fat bastard’ according to you? Wow! Let yourself down and showed your true colours No agenda, just an opinion. When was last time we won a game when he started? When was the last time we looked an effective team when he started? When was last time he scored when he started? At least if we go down he'll be useful in the championship. He's been referred to as a beanpole striker throughout his career. Crouch is effective if the ball, be it at his head or feet, is with a foot of him. If he has to move, he's totally ineffective. I still blame the manager. I blame the manager that signed him, the previous manager that used him as a comfort blanket and the current manager for reverting to him after 2 fucking weeks. Crouch is wank. We are wank and our manager is wank. Just watched Goals on Sunday. Commentator ‘ Crouch having a great game’.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 12:29:57 GMT
He should never start another PL game up front on his own for us. Agenda Indeed. I want Stoke to win games. Playing Crouchy hinders that agenda massively.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 12:32:35 GMT
‘He’s nowhere near good enough to fulfill that role’. Yes 22 goals for England , playing in a Champions League final , winning an Fa Cup medal and scoring the best goal ever seen at the Bet 365 would of course indicate you are correct He's 37. Not the player he once was. And hasn't been for a while. I couldn't give a shit how many England goals he scored? Would England pick him today?? Oh- and he once scored 'a worldy'. As if that should cement your place in the starting XI 3 seasons later.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 4, 2018 12:43:45 GMT
Crouchy is not a problem. He's just doing as he's told, as he always does. Lambert must learn how to get the best out of his tired old legs. Sixty minutes was enough for him yesterday and he's a great last-twenty-minute-man to have on the bench.
OS.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 12:45:40 GMT
Crouchy is not a problem. He's just doing as he's told, as he always does. Lambert must learn how to get the best out of his tired old legs. Sixty minutes was enough for him yesterday and he's a great last-twenty-minute-man to have on the bench. OS. Crouch has been a problem since we signed him.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 12:48:54 GMT
Crouchy is not a problem. He's just doing as he's told, as he always does. Lambert must learn how to get the best out of his tired old legs. Sixty minutes was enough for him yesterday and he's a great last-twenty-minute-man to have on the bench. OS. Crouch has been a problem since we signed him. Damned out of your own mouth. Just proving your dumb agenda. He’s proved you wrong again and again and again. Crack on though
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 4, 2018 12:50:57 GMT
As good as Crouch was yesterday he shouldn't be starting games. The fact he is, speaks volumes about our dire options at centre forward. Diouf has to start every week, from now until the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 12:52:21 GMT
He did well first half when we got players around him. Should've been taken off at half time, as soon as we stop pushing Shaq and Choupo next to him he's literally useless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 12:52:22 GMT
Crouch has been a problem since we signed him. Damned out of your own mouth. Just proving your dumb agenda. He’s proved you wrong again and again and again. Crack on though I love Crouchy to bits. But when TP reverted to him and went away from mobility up front, he got sacked. When Hughes reverted to him and went away from mobility up front, he got sacked. He's a good player and has his uses but whenever he's played regularly it's resulted in absolutely atrocious slow football.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 12:52:55 GMT
You’re right. He was good yesterday but there’s a reason managers look at our striking options and turn to him. Whisper it but the others aren’t good enough
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 12:57:14 GMT
Damned out of your own mouth. Just proving your dumb agenda. He’s proved you wrong again and again and again. Crack on though I love Crouchy to bits. But when TP reverted to him and went away from mobility up front, he got sacked. When Hughes reverted to him and went away from mobility up front, he got sacked. He's a good player and has his uses but whenever he's played regularly it's resulted in absolutely atrocious slow football. If we had mobile good forwards I might agree. If we had creative players that could thread a pass through to those forwards I might agree. We don’t. Unfortunately we also don’t have players that can play to Crouch’s strengths and cross a ball.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 4, 2018 12:58:45 GMT
You’re right. He was good yesterday but there’s a reason managers look at our striking options and turn to him. Whisper it but the others aren’t good enough ............and the transfer team decided we didn't need to bring in any other options in January. Says alot about what's going on in the club at boardroom level
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Post by maine on Feb 4, 2018 13:01:00 GMT
Sadly Peter right now is probably our most effective 'forward'. (I'm not necessarily saying 'striker' though I could.) We were very good in the first half yesterday and PC was an important part of that. He did tire of course. It's rare I agree with anything out of Texas but 'Texaspotter' has it pretty much right. Alex Neill would have made for a far better ex-Norwich option in my opinion.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 4, 2018 13:04:55 GMT
‘He’s nowhere near good enough to fulfill that role’. Yes 22 goals for England , playing in a Champions League final , winning an Fa Cup medal and scoring the best goal ever seen at the Bet 365 would of course indicate you are correct Mick, The things you're quoting there mate are in the past. I'm not reviewing his career, of which he can be rightly proud. I'm worried about the here and now. He's 37 now and he has 3 league goals this season, the last of which came on 4th November. We haven't won a single league game he's started this season and he hasn't scored in a league game he's started. Those are raw stats and kind of make their own case. The problem when we start with him is that we often resort to hitting the ball long towards him which, invariably, sees us losing possession. Also, it adds to the chronic lack of pace in the whole side which sees us struggling to hit teams on the break. As part of a front two I think he does better. Leading the line on his own isn't working for us and the stats unfortunately back that up.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 4, 2018 13:14:27 GMT
‘Beanpole’ ‘Lampost’. And you’re not agenda driven? Why not insult our black players? Is Charlie ‘a fat bastard’ according to you? Wow! Let yourself down and showed your true colours No agenda, just an opinion. When was last time we won a game when he started? When was the last time we looked an effective team when he started? When was last time he scored when he started? At least if we go down he'll be useful in the championship. He's been referred to as a beanpole striker throughout his career. Crouch is effective if the ball, be it at his head or feet, is with a foot of him. If he has to move, he's totally ineffective. I still blame the manager. I blame the manager that signed him, the previous manager that used him as a comfort blanket and the current manager for reverting to him after 2 fucking weeks. Crouch is wank. We are wank and our manager is wank. Totally agree with the "if he has to move" line. It killed us yesterday because he hadn't got the pace to reach a decent enough pass that virtually any other striker could have got to. It kills us because defenders can make mistakes with him and get away with it, for instance under hitting back passes. He hinders our ability to break effectively and quickly, because he can't keep up with our other players. As others have said, Pete needs pace around him or he is ineffective. He's not a bad player, indeed he's technically good, but we really should have better options than him and the rest of our strikers by now. I think with a better finisher we would be safe, but without one we are going to struggle.
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 4, 2018 13:15:07 GMT
‘He’s nowhere near good enough to fulfill that role’. Yes 22 goals for England , playing in a Champions League final , winning an Fa Cup medal and scoring the best goal ever seen at the Bet 365 would of course indicate you are correct Mick, The things you're quoting there mate are in the past. I'm not reviewing his career, of which he can be rightly proud. I'm worried about the here and now. He's 37 now and he has 3 league goals this season, the last of which came on 4th November. We haven't won a single league game he's started this season and he hasn't scored in a league game he's started. Those are raw stats and kind of make their own case. The problem when we start with him is that we often resort to hitting the ball long towards him which, invariably, sees us losing possession. Also, it adds to the chronic lack of pace in the whole side which sees us struggling to hit teams on the break. As part of a front two I think he does better. Leading the line on his own isn't working for us and the stats unfortunately back that up. Great post, Smudge.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 4, 2018 13:22:38 GMT
He did well first half when we got players around him. Should've been taken off at half time, as soon as we stop pushing Shaq and Choupo next to him he's literally useless. One of two things had to happen at half time, either a straight swap of Crouch for Diouf OR Choupo had to come off and a change to a 442 diamond with Shaqiri playing as a 10 behind Crouch and Diouf. That is not said in hindsight either, I said it at the time. The fact that Crouch and Choupo became more and more ineffective as the game went on and Lambert STILL did nothing about it until virtually the end of the game when it was far too late, is extremely worrying for the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 13:23:32 GMT
Mick, The things you're quoting there mate are in the past. I'm not reviewing his career, of which he can be rightly proud. I'm worried about the here and now. He's 37 now and he has 3 league goals this season, the last of which came on 4th November. We haven't won a single league game he's started this season and he hasn't scored in a league game he's started. Those are raw stats and kind of make their own case. The problem when we start with him is that we often resort to hitting the ball long towards him which, invariably, sees us losing possession. Also, it adds to the chronic lack of pace in the whole side which sees us struggling to hit teams on the break. As part of a front two I think he does better. Leading the line on his own isn't working for us and the stats unfortunately back that up. Great post, Smudge. I keep reading that we haven't won a game he's started and took it as fact hence my post on the first page of this thread. It's bollocks though. He started vs West Brom and Swansea. I've seen and heard this stat a few times, where did it come from? It reminds me of one TPs stats from back in the day. 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2018 13:25:20 GMT
He did well first half when we got players around him. Should've been taken off at half time, as soon as we stop pushing Shaq and Choupo next to him he's literally useless. One of two things had to happen at half time, either a straight swap of Crouch for Diouf OR a change to a 442 diamond with Shaqiri playing as a 10 behind Crouch and Diouf. That is not said in hindsight either, I said it at the time. The fact that Crouch and Choupo became more and more ineffective as the game went on and Lambert STILL did nothing about it until virtually the end of the game when it was far too late, is extremely worrying for the future. I was only listening on the radio and from what they were saying on there it was clear Choupo and Crouch had to be subbed. It seemed everything broke down when it got to them.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 13:27:37 GMT
‘He’s nowhere near good enough to fulfill that role’. Yes 22 goals for England , playing in a Champions League final , winning an Fa Cup medal and scoring the best goal ever seen at the Bet 365 would of course indicate you are correct Mick, The things you're quoting there mate are in the past. I'm not reviewing his career, of which he can be rightly proud. I'm worried about the here and now. He's 37 now and he has 3 league goals this season, the last of which came on 4th November. We haven't won a single league game he's started this season and he hasn't scored in a league game he's started. Those are raw stats and kind of make their own case. The problem when we start with him is that we often resort to hitting the ball long towards him which, invariably, sees us losing possession. Also, it adds to the chronic lack of pace in the whole side which sees us struggling to hit teams on the break. As part of a front two I think he does better. Leading the line on his own isn't working for us and the stats unfortunately back that up. Fair post but I actually think our best option is to get Shaq and Choupo-Moting around him and stick to this system. He’s not scoring at the moment because our set pieces are poor and no one can cross the ball. Diouf getting in behind doesn’t work either. We’re not good enough to find him and he’s honestly not up to the task. I was st the game yesterday and I thought we were great first half. We wouldn’t have been with Diouf starting . Should he have replaced Crouch earlier. Yes possibly when the game was getting stretched
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 4, 2018 14:42:07 GMT
I keep reading that we haven't won a game he's started and took it as fact hence my post on the first page of this thread. It's bollocks though. He started vs West Brom and Swansea. I've seen and heard this stat a few times, where did it come from? It reminds me of one TPs stats from back in the day. 😂 Ah well, that’ll teach me to parrot something I heard somewhere else, without checking. Other stuff still applies though.
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