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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 10:53:38 GMT
If the story was about white british players nothing more would be said on it. Utter bollocks.
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Post by skip on Feb 2, 2018 10:57:21 GMT
If the story was about white british players nothing more would be said on it. But that article would never be written because people don't generalise about [white] British footballers.
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 10:59:53 GMT
If the story was about white british players nothing more would be said on it. Utter bollocks. It's not mate.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 11:26:53 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous.
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 11:30:13 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. What planet are you living on? Most of the press are lefties?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 11:36:45 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. What planet are you living on? Most of the press are lefties? I can't tell if you're actively trolling now. Which papers?
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Post by stokeramblers on Feb 2, 2018 11:44:06 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. What planet are you living on? Most of the press are lefties? Seriously!? Of all the major publications only the Guardian came out for Labour in the last election. All the others endorsed the Conservatives.
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Post by Stokyo on Feb 2, 2018 11:52:18 GMT
Storm in a teacup, you can hire or not hire whoever you want, its a private business. Leftys and commies will cry about it (they have nothing better to do) but if youve been bitten before you have every right to be selective next time. So if someone didn't give you a job purely because another Stokie or Englishman had done a shit job for them, you'd be fine with that would you? That's an acceptable reason, yes? Yes, I would be pissed off at the stokie that had given us a bad name, not the organisation that had been screwed over by s stokie.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 11:54:31 GMT
So if someone didn't give you a job purely because another Stokie or Englishman had done a shit job for them, you'd be fine with that would you? That's an acceptable reason, yes? Yes, I would be pissed off at the stokie that had given us a bad name, not the organisation that had been screwed over by s stokie. So you think it's fine for you as a person and prospective employee to be defined and judged on the actions of someone you don't know, who is completely unrelated to you?
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Post by Davef on Feb 2, 2018 12:20:00 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. You're wasting your time here mate. This is someone who, in his very first post on this message board, said that if he was black professional footballer earning £70,000 a week, he'd happily be called a monkey.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 12:25:00 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. You're wasting your time here mate. This is someone who, in his very first post on this message board, said that if he was black professional footballer earning £70,000 a week, he'd happily be called a monkey. Jesus Christ. Didn't see that.
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Post by Davef on Feb 2, 2018 12:25:50 GMT
You're wasting your time here mate. This is someone who, in his very first post on this message board, said that if he was black professional footballer earning £70,000 a week, he'd happily be called a monkey. Jesus Christ. Didn't see that. The thread was removed.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 2, 2018 13:44:15 GMT
Some how I doubt you could have been that successful and I find it interesting that you retired due to ill health. Maybe you would have been more successful if you hadn’t been so narrow minded and biased. How did you manage when you or your employees were off sick? Did you make them come in any way so they infected everyone else? This is a really poor business so many reasons. Firstly, you are eliminating about 30-40% of the most qualified appplicants (50% of all high school and college graduates), which is double jeopardy because not only are you not hiring the best, they are also going to the competiton. Secondly, how did prove that your female employees were post-menopausal - it’s not uncommon for women to have babies in their late forties and early fifties (a friend of ours just had her first baby at the age of 50 - a bit of a surprise but it happens). So to be safe, you could only hire women over 55. Thirdly, what do you do about homosexual couples that chose to adopt a baby - I assume that happens in the UK, so there goes another potential 10%. Fourthly, what happens in times of war? My mother worked in a munitions factory in WWII, 12 years before she had me and 15 years before she had my sister; so I assume she was of child-bearing age. PS: At one time I managed a department of over 700 people, including more than 100 with post-graduate degrees. We had babies all over the place - it was wonderful and we were highly successful. I have four kids born to mothers who were all working at the time. So I do kinda know how this works. The businesses were successful enough they were small never employed more than four at a time As you seem to find my health so interesting I truly hope you never find yourself in my position Due to health problems I have been unable to work for the last 18 years Having had many stops in hospital I now rely on 200 mg of tramadol twice a day and a dose of morphine when required just to get out of bed and exist ( along with 17 other type of medications ) As I said earlier when you were managing all these women with babies Were you personally paying them as well as paying there replacements and the added cost of training the for said replacement If so you have my admiration if not think would you do it I am so sorry to hear of you health condition. I didn’t mean any offense. However, I do feel very strongly about workplace equality, because in my experience, it’s essential to maximizing productivity. And yes we did pay employees maternity leave (more than what was required by law) and hired temporary employees to fill in. There were enough temps available with the basic skills so we only had to train them on the company’s procedures. Sometimes the temps stayed on after the permanent employee returned to work, if a permanent position opened up. We also made arrangements for employees to telecommute. This was in the SF Bay Area where the competition for the best employees was fierce. The turnover rate was less than 4 years, so we were replacing 25% of the people every year. Fringe benefits were more important than compensation because we were always competitive on salaries and bonuses. On site day care is essential in industries where the average age is under 30. Our facilities were next to Google - their employees brought in their dogs and cats, and had everything was on site - barbers, hairdressers, manicured, massage, gym (standard), free food and snack, and they also had mechanics come to them to service cars. They even have a climbing wall in the atrium!. This wasn’t done out of the goodness of their heart (they are tough company to work for). It was done to minimize the time employees spent away from their desks.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 2, 2018 16:25:30 GMT
The businesses were successful enough they were small never employed more than four at a time As you seem to find my health so interesting I truly hope you never find yourself in my position Due to health problems I have been unable to work for the last 18 years Having had many stops in hospital I now rely on 200 mg of tramadol twice a day and a dose of morphine when required just to get out of bed and exist ( along with 17 other type of medications ) As I said earlier when you were managing all these women with babies Were you personally paying them as well as paying there replacements and the added cost of training the for said replacement If so you have my admiration if not think would you do it I am so sorry to hear of you health condition. I didn’t mean any offense. However, I do feel very strongly about workplace equality, because in my experience, it’s essential to maximizing productivity. And yes we did pay employees maternity leave (more than what was required by law) and hired temporary employees to fill in. There were enough temps available with the basic skills so we only had to train them on the company’s procedures. Sometimes the temps stayed on after the permanent employee returned to work, if a permanent position opened up. We also made arrangements for employees to telecommute. This was in the SF Bay Area where the competition for the best employees was fierce. The turnover rate was less than 4 years, so we were replacing 25% of the people every year. Fringe benefits were more important than compensation because we were always competitive on salaries and bonuses. On site day care is essential in industries where the average age is under 30. Our facilities were next to Google - their employees brought in their dogs and cats, and had everything was on site - barbers, hairdressers, manicured, massage, gym (standard), free food and snack, and they also had mechanics come to them to service cars. They even have a climbing wall in the atrium!. This wasn’t done out of the goodness of their heart (they are tough company to work for). It was done to minimize the time employees spent away from their desks. No offence taken
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 2, 2018 17:03:50 GMT
What planet are you living on? Most of the press are lefties? Seriously!? Of all the major publications only the Guardian came out for Labour in the last election. All the others endorsed the Conservatives. Daily Mirror. Though your point largely stands.
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 17:34:39 GMT
You're wasting your time here mate. This is someone who, in his very first post on this message board, said that if he was black professional footballer earning £70,000 a week, he'd happily be called a monkey. Jesus Christ. Didn't see that. I still stand by what i said.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2018 17:51:31 GMT
Jesus Christ. Didn't see that. I still stand by what i said. I really wouldn’t. But then your opinions about everything are ill-informed nonsense at the best of times. As this thread clearly shows.
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 17:53:20 GMT
I still stand by what i said. I really wouldn’t. But then your opinions about everything are ill-informed nonsense at the best of times. As this thread clearly shows. Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week.
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Post by professorplump on Feb 2, 2018 17:55:53 GMT
This is just me being cynical, but I wonder if they would have suspended their head of recruitment if it had of been the day before the transfer window opened rather than the day after it had shut.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 17:56:09 GMT
I really wouldn’t. But then your opinions about everything are ill-informed nonsense at the best of times. As this thread clearly shows. Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week. That is your opinion and you are well entitled to it. Just remember the tens and hundreds of black footballers that went through hell in the 70s and 80s before uneducated people were 'educated' and thankfully that kind of language and thought process was greatly reduced in our game. One of those great gentlemen died the other week.
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Post by bassmaster on Feb 2, 2018 17:59:56 GMT
I really wouldn’t. But then your opinions about everything are ill-informed nonsense at the best of times. As this thread clearly shows. Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week. Why is this embarrassment still allowed to post on here?
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 18:00:17 GMT
Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week. That is your opinion and you are well entitled to it. Just remember the tens and hundreds of black footballers that went through hell in the 70s and 80s before uneducated people were 'educated' and thankfully that kind of language and thought process was greatly reduced in our game. One of those great gentlemen died the other week. Not denying that theonlooker . He was an amazing man. I didn't say i would let 30,000 people call/chant it at me though. Thats the difference. The original thread that touchy Davef is speaking about is one stupid comment from an indiviudal in the crowd caused a player to walk off off the pitch, which in my opinion is pretty attention seeking.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 2, 2018 18:22:55 GMT
Show your working then? What are you basing that on? The majority of the press is right wing and flag waving, do you really think they'd say nothing if a British employer was saying they wouldn't recruit British workers? They'd be going mental. And they'd be right to be outraged in this case as well, because it would be ridiculous. What planet are you living on? Most of the press are lefties? Personally I live on the one where I know my left from my right,
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 2, 2018 18:26:06 GMT
He's been sacked! Can someone from the media interview Cartwright and get him to say something controversial?
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 2, 2018 18:36:33 GMT
So you've got no problems with sweeping, negative generalisations about a whole continent of people? Funny how often the stuff people describe as 'PC Gone Mad' on here in reality equates to basic decency and not being a dick. I don't see it as a big issue, being honest it does not affect me therefore doesn't bother me. People need to to worry about themselves not focus on everyone else. It doesn’t bother you ? Really ? Your comments suggest otherwise !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 19:06:28 GMT
Replace the work African with South American and nobody bats an eyelid
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 19:49:30 GMT
Mamady Sidibe and Mame Biram Diouf consistently had/have fantastic attitudes playing for Stoke, so we want more African players because "they've" ALL just got this fantastic attitude?
Total bollocks? Racist generalisation? You bet.
It's almost as though nationality and race don't tell you anything useful about someone's character.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 2, 2018 19:59:16 GMT
I really wouldn’t. But then your opinions about everything are ill-informed nonsense at the best of times. As this thread clearly shows. Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week. How about being called an uneducated, bigotted prick for free?
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Post by thegift on Feb 2, 2018 21:30:24 GMT
Just down to opinions. I would be called a monkey or a white milk bottle for 70K a week. How about being called an uneducated, bigotted prick for free? The left wing love child spouts again. How am i a bigot? Please feel free to explain
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Post by andystokey on Feb 2, 2018 22:23:29 GMT
You're always drawn to a thread like this, there is a common theme in your responses when the subject of race comes up. Followed up by a cry of political correctness gone mad or an immutable "truth" if anyone challenges your view on the subject. Usually it's a waste of time trying to have a reasoned argument with a bigot, but it's a duty to point one out in a crowd. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
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