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Post by agingerstokie on Feb 1, 2018 10:23:01 GMT
West Ham director of transfers Tony Henry suspended after sparking race row by admitting they don't want to sign any African players because 'they cause mayhem' Tony Henry told agents during January window they don't want African players West Ham United have suspended their director of player recruitment, Tony Henry, after he left them open to accusations of racism and potentially unlawful discrimination by telling agents in the transfer window that they don’t want to sign any more African players.
After being confronted by Sportsmail, Henry made the shocking admission that West Ham do indeed want to limit the number of African players because ‘they have a bad attitude’ and ‘cause mayhem’ when they are not in the team.West Ham have suspended head of player recruitment Tony Henry after a report was leaked alleging the use of discriminatory language.
A spokesperson said: “The Club can confirm that Director of Player Recruitment Tony Henry has been suspended pending a full and thorough investigation. West Ham United will not tolerate any type of discrimination and has, therefore, acted swiftly due to the serious nature of these claims.
“The West Ham United family is an inclusive one where, regardless of gender, age, ability, race, religion or sexual orientation, everybody feels welcome and included.
“The Club will make no further comment until the investigation has been concluded.”www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5335207/West-Ham-director-sparks-race-row-African-stars.htmlwww.skysports.com/football/news/11685/11231807/west-ham-suspend-recruitment-chief-tony-henry-amid-discrimination-claim
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 10:28:55 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 1, 2018 10:29:11 GMT
No surprise from such a low life club.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 1, 2018 10:32:58 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. I'm sure they've had problems with European players in the past aswell though.... in this day and age you can't go saying that you will exclude an entire race from your transfer dealings because you've had a few bad experiences.
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 10:37:18 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. I'm sure they've had problems with European players in the past aswell though.... in this day and age you can't go saying that you will exclude an entire race from your transfer dealings because you've had a few bad experiences. I disagree with what the west ham director is saying because their is bad and good in every race, but surely that's his choice if he wants to say that? He's not saying i hate Africans because of the colour of their skin?! People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 1, 2018 10:39:09 GMT
No surprise from such a low life club. And you're clearly not prejudiced at all are you mate. That would be low life behaviour
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 1, 2018 10:41:33 GMT
I'm sure they've had problems with European players in the past aswell though.... in this day and age you can't go saying that you will exclude an entire race from your transfer dealings because you've had a few bad experiences. I disagree with what the west ham director is saying because their is bad and good in every race, but surely that's his choice if he wants to say that? He's not saying i hate Africans because of the colour of their skin?! People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Whether you agree or disagree, it's the world we live in. You cannot exclude an entire race or religious group from your recruitment policy. Of course they have the right to spend their money how they wish, but they cannot make discriminatory statements like that. Imagine if, say, Starbucks came out and said they wouldn't employ Muslims or Sikhs?
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 10:44:13 GMT
I disagree with what the west ham director is saying because their is bad and good in every race, but surely that's his choice if he wants to say that? He's not saying i hate Africans because of the colour of their skin?! People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Whether you agree or disagree, it's the world we live in. You cannot exclude an entire race or religious group from your recruitment policy. Of course they have the right to spend their money how they wish, but they cannot make discriminatory statements like that. Imagine if, say, Starbucks came out and said they wouldn't employ Muslims or Sikhs? Pretty sure a part of the BBC announced for a job application they had put online they were only accepting Asians/Muslims. No other race /religion was allowed to apply. Because this comment from the bbc wasn't against the Asians/black minority all seem to be well and no issue made from it?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 1, 2018 10:48:22 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. So you've got no problems with sweeping, negative generalisations about a whole continent of people? Funny how often the stuff people describe as 'PC Gone Mad' on here in reality equates to basic decency and not being a dick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 10:50:07 GMT
How on earth is this anywhere near our society in 2018?
Jesus Christ.
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 10:52:26 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. So you've got no problems with sweeping, negative generalisations about a whole continent of people? Funny how often the stuff people describe as 'PC Gone Mad' on here in reality equates to basic decency and not being a dick. I don't see it as a big issue, being honest it does not affect me therefore doesn't bother me. People need to to worry about themselves not focus on everyone else.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 1, 2018 10:57:17 GMT
Whether you agree or disagree, it's the world we live in. You cannot exclude an entire race or religious group from your recruitment policy. Of course they have the right to spend their money how they wish, but they cannot make discriminatory statements like that. Imagine if, say, Starbucks came out and said they wouldn't employ Muslims or Sikhs? Pretty sure a part of the BBC announced for a job application they had put online they were only accepting Asians/Muslims. No other race /religion was allowed to apply. Because this comment from the bbc wasn't against the Asians/black minority all seem to be well and no issue made from it? I don't know about the story you're referring to but there are very few circumstances where you can specify an age / race / sexuality as part of a job advert. Now if the BBC were advertising for Asian actors to play an Asian family in a TV series, they're totally entitled to advertise the role specifically for Asians. If they're advertising a job in the canteen and asking for Asians only because they think white people are workshy dickheads, then it's not allowed. Surely you can see that to openly state that they will not employ from an entire race because of a few bad experiences in the past isn't just 'PC gone mad' it's wrong?
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 11:00:59 GMT
Pretty sure a part of the BBC announced for a job application they had put online they were only accepting Asians/Muslims. No other race /religion was allowed to apply. Because this comment from the bbc wasn't against the Asians/black minority all seem to be well and no issue made from it? I don't know about the story you're referring to but there are very few circumstances where you can specify an age / race / sexuality as part of a job advert. Now if the BBC were advertising for Asian actors to play an Asian family in a TV series, they're totally entitled to advertise the role specifically for Asians. If they're advertising a job in the canteen and asking for Asians only because they think white people are workshy dickheads, then it's not allowed. Surely you can see that to openly state that they will not employ from an entire race because of a few bad experiences in the past isn't just 'PC gone mad' it's wrong? Here You goI get it, but i don't think it warranty the whole society to go mad over it.
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Post by mrred on Feb 1, 2018 11:05:04 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. Come on. There's being PC (which is only really perpetuated in the media) and there's West Ham saying "no more blacks" because they've had a few bad experiences.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 1, 2018 11:05:42 GMT
Is this ex Stoke midfielder Tony Henry?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 1, 2018 11:06:02 GMT
So you've got no problems with sweeping, negative generalisations about a whole continent of people? Funny how often the stuff people describe as 'PC Gone Mad' on here in reality equates to basic decency and not being a dick. I don't see it as a big issue, being honest it does not affect me therefore doesn't bother me. People need to to worry about themselves not focus on everyone else. Fuck me, you'll be saying there's no such thing as society next.
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Post by stillgame4it on Feb 1, 2018 11:09:51 GMT
Give them a -12 points deduction, that will be good 😀
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Feb 1, 2018 11:10:01 GMT
I haven't read into this in any detail and quite frankly can't be arsed, but this whole topic is a minefield and I wonder where the line should be drawn.
On face value it certainly doesn't sound like a very nice state of affairs due to the language being used and the implication made that African players are more likely to be disruptive than non-Africans when not in the team.
However as an employer of extremely well-paid athletes and competing in an ultra-competitive league, would West Ham or any club for that matter be acting in a racially discriminatory manner if they said they won't consider signing African players due to the chance that those players could be missing for 4-6 weeks due to the African Nations Cup every 2 years?
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Post by rambler on Feb 1, 2018 11:19:39 GMT
I believe we have the same policy with South Americans, or at least we did have. I distinctly remember reading Mr Coates saying that after Arismendi he would never sign a player from there again, even though it was totally Pulis' fault for never playing him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 1, 2018 11:19:44 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. Anyway it's rather stupid to say that because they have had problems with one or two African players they won't sign any more. I bet they also have experienced trouble with European players so I guess they won't sign any more Europeans either, or Asians or South-Americans or ..........
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Feb 1, 2018 11:20:44 GMT
Pretty sure a part of the BBC announced for a job application they had put online they were only accepting Asians/Muslims. No other race /religion was allowed to apply. Because this comment from the bbc wasn't against the Asians/black minority all seem to be well and no issue made from it? I don't know about the story you're referring to but there are very few circumstances where you can specify an age / race / sexuality as part of a job advert. Now if the BBC were advertising for Asian actors to play an Asian family in a TV series, they're totally entitled to advertise the role specifically for Asians. If they're advertising a job in the canteen and asking for Asians only because they think white people are workshy dickheads, then it's not allowed. Surely you can see that to openly state that they will not employ from an entire race because of a few bad experiences in the past isn't just 'PC gone mad' it's wrong? You regularly hear in the news that, for example, the police force is actively recruiting more officers from ethnic minority backgrounds to bring the percentage more in line with that of the general public. There is also a drive for more women. This is nicely categorised as positive discrimination, but in my eyes it is simply discrimination. So what you potentially have here is the strongest candidate for a job not being given that job because of some warped view on ensuring a better balance of race and gender in the workplace. It would be great to see more people being employed who are not Mr. Average White Male, but only if they deserve their employment on merit. I can also confirm that this policy is actively encouraged in my organisation (I work for a huge multi-national corporation) but isn't stated publicly in any shareholder reports etc.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 1, 2018 11:24:13 GMT
People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that all Africans are black. If that's not a racist generalisation, I don't know what is.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 11:24:19 GMT
I did have to wonder why the ambitious ones weren’t in the race to sign Aubameyang
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Post by kristoff on Feb 1, 2018 11:26:04 GMT
Pretty sure a part of the BBC announced for a job application they had put online they were only accepting Asians/Muslims. No other race /religion was allowed to apply. Because this comment from the bbc wasn't against the Asians/black minority all seem to be well and no issue made from it? I don't know about the story you're referring to but there are very few circumstances where you can specify an age / race / sexuality as part of a job advert. Now if the BBC were advertising for Asian actors to play an Asian family in a TV series, they're totally entitled to advertise the role specifically for Asians. If they're advertising a job in the canteen and asking for Asians only because they think white people are workshy dickheads, then it's not allowed. Surely you can see that to openly state that they will not employ from an entire race because of a few bad experiences in the past isn't just 'PC gone mad' it's wrong? To be fair, plenty of places are now only hiring Ethnic Minority’s or women as part of a diversity push. Hospitals a couple years back were turning British nurses away from a job push in my area as it wasn’t for them (then hired only from other parts of the world. He’ll even our political Parties are saying certain seats will only be chased by females or ethnics to balance out Parliamentary makeup. What West Ham have done is disgusting, but I am sick and tired of hearing how it’s only white British people who are acting racist in this country. How men are all sexist pigs, how parents who teach their children morals are abusive, a man looks at a woman and he’s a sleaze. People are far too quick to jump on sexism, racism or anything else now when often the person to blame is either just a dick to everyone or has been completely misrepresented. I would much rather we tackle these problems fairy and equally (almost like what equality is actually supposed to achieve eh) than moan about wanting equality but just use it to hammer to death one side which only makes them push back. I would love all the mob on these types of stories to read FULl truthful versions of events, then open up every aspect of their lives and social media, every conversation to prove they haven’t said something to make themselves look just as vile.
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 11:27:24 GMT
I honestly don't understand the big song and dance about this. If West Ham have had bad experiences with African players, and they don't want to sign them, that's their money and their choice, it really isn't a big issue. Too many PC's about these days. Come on. There's being PC (which is only really perpetuated in the media) and there's West Ham saying "no more blacks" because they've had a few bad experiences. Not all Africans have to be black.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2018 11:31:16 GMT
I haven't read into this in any detail and quite frankly can't be arsed, but this whole topic is a minefield and I wonder where the line should be drawn. On face value it certainly doesn't sound like a very nice state of affairs due to the language being used and the implication made that African players are more likely to be disruptive than non-Africans when not in the team. However as an employer of extremely well-paid athletes and competing in an ultra-competitive league, would West Ham or any club for that matter be acting in a racially discriminative manner if they said they won't consider signing African players due to the chance that those players could be missing for 4-6 weeks due to the African Nations Cup every 2 years?[/u] They could probably have said that until recently without any adverse reaction. But didn't I see in the press that in future the ACON will take place in the Premier League summer break - just as the Euros and the World Cup do (Qatar excepted)?
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Post by mrred on Feb 1, 2018 11:31:19 GMT
Come on. There's being PC (which is only really perpetuated in the media) and there's West Ham saying "no more blacks" because they've had a few bad experiences. Not all Africans have to be black. No. But I'd bet my fucking mortgage that's what the mentality was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 11:35:25 GMT
Where do they stand on Caribbean Players, or indeed Black British players... He has not said no more Blacks at all. A few years ago, totally unrelated, Sainsbury's would not allow East European HGV drivers to work for them, because they were just so bad...Is that racist...
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Post by thegift on Feb 1, 2018 11:37:19 GMT
Where do they stand on Caribbean Players, or indeed Black British players... He has not said no more Blacks at all. A few years ago, totally unrelated, Sainsbury's would not allow East European HGV drivers to work for them, because they were just so bad...Is that racist... Apparently so now.
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Post by kristoff on Feb 1, 2018 11:41:14 GMT
Where do they stand on Caribbean Players, or indeed Black British players... He has not said no more Blacks at all. A few years ago, totally unrelated, Sainsbury's would not allow East European HGV drivers to work for them, because they were just so bad...Is that racist... Exactly, half a story (probably spun to shit) is published and the torch and pitchfork are gathered. Not sure whether there too much “look at me, please hit the like button” on social media or the media just trying to sell papers by making up bullshit but it’s really starting to piss me off Edit:typo
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