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Post by knype on Feb 1, 2018 10:13:43 GMT
5/6 for me.
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 10:16:44 GMT
On a different note, it's a bit weird when a succession of signings are clearly 'club' signings, rather than manager signings, isn't it? I don't doubt that Lambert nodded them through, but it's still a bit odd. First time when it's been this striking - and I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing in the circumstances when we've appointed a manager who probably didn't know some player's names a fortnight ago. It shouldn't really come as any surprise should it? It is a real worry of mine and has been for more than this transfer window. I think the system is now fairly commonplace in the Premier league I'd more question the credentials of the people we have involved than the system itself.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2018 10:35:37 GMT
It shouldn't really come as any surprise should it? It is a real worry of mine and has been for more than this transfer window. I think the system is now fairly commonplace in the Premier league I'd more question the credentials of the people we have involved than the system itself. Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 1, 2018 10:38:57 GMT
5.
We needed x2 FBs, a CDM & a striker minimum and given what's at stake, a bonus one to lift the team.
But going off the minimum requirement, as far as I can tell, we got just two of those.
We got the FBs and one looks great. Keen to see Staffy of course but Eric is a trooper if not the greatest LB and we might need him in the trenches yet.
We tried for the 'bonus' signing (was that 'cos we originally thought he would be cheap though?) and fair enough. It is not actually our fault the game is so, so rotten that Citeh are allowed to do that.
We got 'a' MFer - Bad boy - and I hope he is as good as everyone thinks; he'll need to be. But as far as I can tell, reports do not extol his virtues of anchoring a MF and being the shield our back four need. Might be wrong but I suspect he's no Matic.
Let's hope he's a catalyst for a new fully functioning MF trio of him, Joe and Geoff though. Fletcher looks shot and for all Lamberto's waxing lyrical about Charlie's left peg, he's forgetting that the other 97% of his not inconsiderable frame needs to be able to get around the pitch a lot better.
So ... a striker - or not.
How can anyone at the club, playing side or on the board, not see that we are in desperate need of a finisher? Without repeating the obvious deficiencies of our 'three' options (it's two in reality) it's so blindingly obvious we aren't up to it up top. Add an injury in there and, well ...
All the bleating about a "tighter defence stopping goals" and "look at the two clean sheets" is great (& true) but, that can only ever get you a draw and we will need wins - of that, there is no doubt. Neither will it improve our atrocious goal difference, which might yet be the clincher.
Neither will every team we face will be a bad as Huddersfield or Watford up top, starting with Bournemouth whose strikers look to have hit form right on cue. If the planets align and we play Fletcher, he plays like last night and they are up for a repeat performance, we will get shredded.
By and large, I am supportive of the board and the management but I think this is just plain negligent.
Fingers crossed.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 1, 2018 11:10:33 GMT
4. It seems the board aren't taking our predicament seriously enough. It's hard to understand their approach given the blindingly obvious failings of the recent past.
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 11:18:12 GMT
I think the system is now fairly commonplace in the Premier league I'd more question the credentials of the people we have involved than the system itself. Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. That is a matter of your opinion and is certainly not a fact. I don't think there is anything wrong with a committee approach to player acquisition and indeed recruitment in general . Its my opinion that the manager/head coach totally controlling the destiny of a football club is extremely old fashioned, short termist and leaves that one transient person with far too much power for the good of the club. Far better and more successful managers/coaches than any of Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Paul Lambert have managed within such systems and achieved success. Obviously I would question the credentials of Scholes, Cartwright and Coates Jnr to be playing such roles at this level with not so much as a smidgen of knowledge experience or expertise at this level they are way out of their depth just as Senior is at running the show. I've been saying for a while they need to remove themselves and bring in a sharp operator Levy style to run the club and a director of football with far more pedigree than Cartwright to steer the long term football side of things leaving the manager/head coach to concentrate on the here and now which is all they ever care about anyway.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2018 12:06:06 GMT
Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. That is a matter of your opinion and is certainly not a fact. I don't think there is anything wrong with a committee approach to player acquisition and indeed recruitment in general . Its my opinion that the manager/head coach totally controlling the destiny of a football club is extremely old fashioned, short termist and leaves that one transient person with far too much power for the good of the club. Far better and more successful managers/coaches than any of Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Paul Lambert have managed within such systems and achieved success. Obviously I would question the credentials of Scholes, Cartwright and Coates Jnr to be playing such roles at this level with not so much as a smidgen of knowledge experience or expertise at this level they are way out of their depth just as Senior is at running the show. I've been saying for a while they need to remove themselves and bring in a sharp operator Levy style to run the club and a director of football with far more pedigree than Cartwright to steer the long term football side of things leaving the manager/head coach to concentrate on the here and now which is all they ever care about anyway. Doesn't seem to be going too well at Chelsea does it?
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 1, 2018 12:09:41 GMT
I think the club did well in what is a notoriously difficult time to do transfers, when clubs that are competing for Europe, a cup, promotion, or fighting against relegation are not going to let their best players go. It is no use saying we should have gone and bought a defensive MF or a striker if the cupboard is bare. I am not envious of any of our peer club acquisitions and think they have bought/loaned for the sake of it, freshen their squad, or to wake up their present players, not because of good value. They have taken punts on dubious players which might come off but equally might simply disrupt their squad. There is no way we can compete with the big clubs; we have seen ManC spike one of our potential deal and I for one am relieved the 'Ndiaye signing went through and was not stopped by some Arsenal fan in the authorities preventing a work permit. I didn't see many shouts to bring Joselu back, and as usual there were the false rumours in the social media that a big club were going to buy N'Zonzi. This analysis puts us in a good light: www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/11230327/january-transfer-window-which-premier-league-clubs-spent-the-mostThere is no way we can compete with the big 6. We brought in as many as anyone, kept our crown jewels, and spent a sensible amount of money. The search goes on for a top class defensive MF and striker as it does for most clubs in the Prem. The one thing that puzzles me is why Prem clubs keep buying untested foreign players, a high proportion of whom fail, and buy very few players from the lower divisions/leagues. I award 8.
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Post by rockthecity on Feb 1, 2018 12:12:07 GMT
4 or 6 depending on how well Badou settles
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Post by flea79 on Feb 1, 2018 12:13:00 GMT
I think the system is now fairly commonplace in the Premier league I'd more question the credentials of the people we have involved than the system itself. Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. spot on there mate its obvious there is a power struggle in the board, Denise wanted Hughes gone in the summer, Peter didn't and John sided with him this time, I doubt that anybody but Peter thought Lambert was a good idea, except maybe Scholes who saw him as somebody who would follow him due to his desperation to get a new job it needs sorting but I genuinely see no ambition from Coates snr based on any dealings in the last 12 months, if this is the case he needs to go
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 12:13:46 GMT
That is a matter of your opinion and is certainly not a fact. I don't think there is anything wrong with a committee approach to player acquisition and indeed recruitment in general . Its my opinion that the manager/head coach totally controlling the destiny of a football club is extremely old fashioned, short termist and leaves that one transient person with far too much power for the good of the club. Far better and more successful managers/coaches than any of Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Paul Lambert have managed within such systems and achieved success. Obviously I would question the credentials of Scholes, Cartwright and Coates Jnr to be playing such roles at this level with not so much as a smidgen of knowledge experience or expertise at this level they are way out of their depth just as Senior is at running the show. I've been saying for a while they need to remove themselves and bring in a sharp operator Levy style to run the club and a director of football with far more pedigree than Cartwright to steer the long term football side of things leaving the manager/head coach to concentrate on the here and now which is all they ever care about anyway. Doesn't seem to be going too well at Chelsea does it? Hasn't it been successful for them, is there a more successful period in their history? Is allowing one person to dictate always successful? Strange logic.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2018 12:14:11 GMT
4. It seems the board aren't taking our predicament seriously enough. It's hard to understand their approach given the blindingly obvious failings of the recent past. Still no defensive midfielder and no decent striker are they taking the piss 5 out of 10 for two full backs.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2018 12:16:32 GMT
Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. spot on there mate its obvious there is a power struggle in the board, Denise wanted Hughes gone in the summer, Peter didn't and John sided with him this time, I doubt that anybody but Peter thought Lambert was a good idea, except maybe Scholes who saw him as somebody who would follow him due to his desperation to get a new job it needs sorting but I genuinely see no ambition from Coates snr based on any dealings in the last 12 months, if this is the case he needs to go Unveiling Jese as our ambition in the summer and not sacking Mark and his team just about sums the club up.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Feb 1, 2018 12:17:16 GMT
It’s difficult to say, 2 have yet to be seen.
Whilst the acquisition of fullbacks is a God send, it is also a window or two too late. For me the damage was done in the summer and the additions are trickling through in arrears. Also our lack of outgoings is a concern as we have failed to relieve wage pressure, which is imperative if we go down, but also important if we stay up to make room for better quality. So for me it’s 4/10.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 1, 2018 12:19:27 GMT
In isolation it was a 6 for me
However it gets marked down to a 3 because the owners let the club slide in to a predicament all of their own making
We have ended up with not our 1st, 2nd or probably 3rd choice manager. We are still playing with Adam and Fletcher in the Middle of the park, although at least one should now be dropped
We are stil playing Shaq in the wrong position for him and the team.
Our only planB is to bring Crouch on, and whilst a great servant he looks gone and our new hoofball style gets errrrr even more hoofball
And now due to the oh so obvious predicament we have dropped all the emerging kids from the bench
We will do well to get out of this
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Post by flea79 on Feb 1, 2018 12:20:31 GMT
spot on there mate its obvious there is a power struggle in the board, Denise wanted Hughes gone in the summer, Peter didn't and John sided with him this time, I doubt that anybody but Peter thought Lambert was a good idea, except maybe Scholes who saw him as somebody who would follow him due to his desperation to get a new job it needs sorting but I genuinely see no ambition from Coates snr based on any dealings in the last 12 months, if this is the case he needs to go Unveiling Jese as our ambition in the summer and not sacking Mark and his team just about sums the club up. if this all goes wrong which right now I sadly think it will I can see things being uncomfortable for Coates and Scholes come the end of the season, I think it should be uncomfortable anyway and questions must be answered as to how this situation was allowed to come about, the statement about not seeing what all the fuss was about is beyond redemption for me you know what makes this worse, if we go down we will be stuck with a manager that nobody wanted, yes people are getting behind him now, I think next season will be very different
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2018 12:38:02 GMT
Doesn't seem to be going too well at Chelsea does it? Hasn't it been successful for them, is there a more successful period in their history? Is allowing one person to dictate always successful? Strange logic. The two seasons of open interference from above (with Jose and Conte) have been pretty disastrous, clearly as were those season with Scholari and another chap whose name escapes me right now. Conte clearly felt he was in charge last season and Mourinho clearly lost the plot at Chelsea when his power was taken away from him.
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 1, 2018 12:41:48 GMT
We've done well in getting a new Midfielder in. Allen can't do it by himself.
However, we desperately needed a striker and I'm afraid the chickens will come home to roost regarding the board IF the worse becomes reality.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 1, 2018 12:53:13 GMT
4 at best. We need more pace and finishing ability up front, something our competitors seem to have addressed. I am frankly embarrassed that we still rely on Crouch after all these years in the top flight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:00:37 GMT
Too early to tell really. On the face of it, I’d say a 6. We’ve addressed the 3 priority problem areas we had by bringing in a new RB, LB and CM. That could turn into a 7 (maybe an 8!) depending on how the new boys perform. Likewise, if Bauer gets injured, and Stafy and N’diaye look out of their depth, it could become a 3 or a 2 out of 10. Think I’ll wait to see how the new guys do!
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Post by wingy11 on Feb 1, 2018 13:01:49 GMT
Net spend of 12 million
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 1, 2018 13:13:16 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 13:29:10 GMT
£14m for Badou £6m (ish?0 for Bauer sold no one net spend about £20m
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Post by foster on Feb 1, 2018 13:34:42 GMT
Still stuck with deadwood and no striker - 2
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 1, 2018 13:45:56 GMT
I think the system is now fairly commonplace in the Premier league I'd more question the credentials of the people we have involved than the system itself. Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. Mr Jonno 100% spot on its what’s caused our downfall and not 1 will pay with their job when 100s of others do for their incompetence in may . I was with a every game a season man for 25 years last night and normally pretty philosophical which I admire and he said I have genuinely never been so disheartened with the way the club is right now very sad
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 13:47:36 GMT
Commonplace or not, it isn't something that Peter Coates has been an advocate of. He's always been fairly open in his view that the manager should make the decisions on the playing side of things. That approach changed when Coates Jnr became more involved in the club and I seem to remember Peter Coates, in dismissing rumours that his son was a Man United fan, mentioning that Coates Jnr had a vast knowledge of football and would bring great value to the football side of things. Tony Scholes has always had the ambition of being in charge of transfers and player recruitment (he's been open about that in the corridors of power for many years as anyone who has worked at the club will testify) and clearly Coates Jnr has a very high estimation of his own football knowledge. A recruitment team of Scholes, Coates Jnr and Cartwright isn't something we should be happy about. It should prompt serious concerns in anyone that genuinely has the best interests of the club at heart. You employ a manager because he's the best man for the job...not because he is a cheap patsy that allows you to continue with your own ego development. We are in big trouble if the manager isn't in charge of identifying players he wants and signing them. Paul Lambert hasn't identified any of our 3 signings and clearly hasn't come in with any ideas as to who he would like to sign in his next job. If that isn't a concern, I don't know what would worry people. Mr Jonno 100% spot on its what’s caused our downfall and not 1 will pay with their job when 100s of others do for their incompetence in may . I was with a every game a season man for 25 years last night and normally pretty philosophical which I admire and he said I have genuinely never been so disheartened with the way the club is right now very sad So your more disheartened than the Brian Little era? Come on Benji that's just nonsense
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 13:51:40 GMT
What marks out of then for the other ten sides in this relegation battle?
pretty low marks all round,surely?
really surprised there hasn't been more signings Especially at Southampton who had £75m to spend
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:52:17 GMT
Full backs tick Attacking midfielder tick Defensive midfielder X Striker X
Half a job Bob transfer window
5/10
Good but by no means good enough 😐
It's going to be a long, fretful campaign 😨
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 13:53:29 GMT
Full backs tick Attacking midfielder tick Defensive midfielder X Striker X Half a job Bob transfer window 5/10 Good but by no means good enough 😐 It's going to be a long, fretful campaign 😨 Is Badou an attacking midfielder?
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 13:54:49 GMT
Hasn't it been successful for them, is there a more successful period in their history? Is allowing one person to dictate always successful? Strange logic. The two seasons of open interference from above (with Jose and Conte) have been pretty disastrous, clearly as were those season with Scholari and another chap whose name escapes me right now. Conte clearly felt he was in charge last season and Mourinho clearly lost the plot at Chelsea when his power was taken away from him. You are rewriting history to suit your point of view no Chelsea manager has had sole control of transfers in the Abramovich era.
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