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Post by smallthorner on Jan 21, 2018 18:49:09 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.)
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 21, 2018 18:50:16 GMT
Whilst Marshy and Pej were probably the best pair playing together at stoke, a mention must go to CALVIN PALMER, who was known in the 60's as a 'Utility' player and filled many positions. Around 1965 he slotted in as an attacking right back with great success, and in the magazine FOOTBALL LEAGUE REVIEW (included free inside match day programmes) was rated second only to George Cohen - our England World Cup winning right back. I thought no one was going to mention one of my all time favourite Stoke players Calvin Palmer Whereas I don't think anyone compares to Mike Pejic for the left back position, Pa!mer gets my vote for the right back spot. A player years ahead of his time as an attacking fullback (Jimmy Armfield was an even earlier example) Calvin's problem was his versatility in that he was equally at ease as a midfielder and even did a decent job as a centre forward when John Ritchie was injured. Had he consistently played as a right back I think he would be remembered more,John Marsh was also a very good fullback , who was a great crosser of the ball, but I think over all Palmer shaded it.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2018 19:03:58 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Might be wrong but I recall Tosh McInlay being fucking useless when he came here.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 21, 2018 19:08:17 GMT
Whilst Marshy and Pej were probably the best pair playing together at stoke, a mention must go to CALVIN PALMER, who was known in the 60's as a 'Utility' player and filled many positions. Around 1965 he slotted in as an attacking right back with great success, and in the magazine FOOTBALL LEAGUE REVIEW (included free inside match day programmes) was rated second only to George Cohen - our England World Cup winning right back. Cheers. I had Palmer on my list of midfielders, but will include him as a full-back I think as there's not too many options there. Thanks.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 21, 2018 19:15:10 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Might be wrong but I recall Tosh McInlay being fucking useless when he came here. I know.. bit tongue in cheek mate. Think he got sent off in his first game didn't he?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 21, 2018 19:18:18 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Might be wrong but I recall Tosh McInlay being fucking useless when he came here. Alex Elder was Kevin Wimmer in disguise haha ...or vice versa
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2018 19:18:35 GMT
Might be wrong but I recall Tosh McInlay being fucking useless when he came here. I know.. bit tongue in cheek mate. Think he got sent off in his first game didn't he? Can't remember exactly I remember he came with a big reputation and didn't stay long. Was it the Jordan era and did he even last a full season?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 21, 2018 19:19:07 GMT
Just writing the next article in the 'Greatest of All Time' series I started in yesterday's Oatcake. Full backs I've got on the shortlist for the RB and LB spots are Bob McGrory, Jackie Marsh, Billy Mould, Lee Dixon, Tony Allen, John McCue, Mike Pejic and Andy Griffin. I've seen Dixon and Griffin with my own eyes, watched a few videos of Marsh and Pejic, but if anyone has anything to say about any of these players and wouldn't mind their words being used in print, please feel free to add a comment and argue for/against their inclusion. Are there any other full-backs who deserve a mention? (the early 80s are a bit of a blind spot for me- what were Ray Evans and Peter Hampton like?) And before anybody says it, no I don't think Moritz Bauer's 2 appearances qualify him for inclusion! How many are you narrowing down to??
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2018 19:21:07 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Bill Bentley, would that be the same Bill Bentley who played for Vale? If so he used to be my Nan's lodger at one time, think he's still cleaning windows locally. Never knew he played for Stoke too though.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 21, 2018 19:40:27 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Bill Bentley, would that be the same Bill Bentley who played for Vale? If so he used to be my Nan's lodger at one time, think he's still cleaning windows locally. Never knew he played for Stoke too though. He played for Stoke for years, a contemporary of Smith and Marsh he was a fringe player due firstly to Tony Allen and then Mike Pejic. If I remember rightly he played for Blackpool for a few years,before his career nosedived and he ended up at the Vale.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 21, 2018 19:42:22 GMT
Alex Elder Tosh Mcinlay Calvin Palmer Bill Bentley Eric Skeels ( Not primarily full back but played shed load games in that position.) Bill Bentley, would that be the same Bill Bentley who played for Vale? If so he used to be my Nan's lodger at one time, think he's still cleaning windows locally. Never knew he played for Stoke too though. That's the one. Played 50 odd top flight games for Stoke. Local lad who was a star of the stoke schoolboy team who won everything. Went Blackpool after Stoke and became a minor legend there. Sandwiched between Tony Allen Alex Elder and Mike Pejic. Mad as a box of frogs ( on the pitch) Hard as nails.
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Post by daviddunn on Jan 21, 2018 20:00:35 GMT
Tony Dorrigo
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Post by onesteino on Jan 21, 2018 20:01:59 GMT
In my 25 years of following the club, regeardless of what level we have played at, Butler and Sandford are by far and away the best. Can't say a great deal on those that came before, but certainly since, I've not thought of highly of anybody as those two. Sure that Overson used to refer to Butler as our "unsung hero".
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 21, 2018 20:03:03 GMT
Bryan Small
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Post by kustokie on Jan 21, 2018 20:05:36 GMT
Lee Dixon should be no where near this list. He only played a couple of seasons and wasn’t very good. Charlie Scrimshaw should be added to your list for the reason that my old man would always use him when comparing the likes of Pej and Jackie Marsh. He must have been good, Wasn’t he voted the player of the season by his team mates.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 21, 2018 20:08:51 GMT
Whilst Marshy and Pej were probably the best pair playing together at stoke, a mention must go to CALVIN PALMER, who was known in the 60's as a 'Utility' player and filled many positions. Around 1965 he slotted in as an attacking right back with great success, and in the magazine FOOTBALL LEAGUE REVIEW (included free inside match day programmes) was rated second only to George Cohen - our England World Cup winning right back. I thought no one was going to mention one of my all time favourite Stoke players Calvin Palmer Whereas I don't think anyone compares to Mike Pejic for the left back position, Pa!mer gets my vote for the right back spot. A player years ahead of his time as an attacking fullback (Jimmy Armfield was an even earlier example) Calvin's problem was his versatility in that he was equally at ease as a midfielder and even did a decent job as a centre forward when John Ritchie was injured. Had he consistently played as a right back I think he would be remembered more,John Marsh was also a very good fullback , who was a great crosser of the ball, but I think over all Palmer shaded it. Jackie Marsh was a fantastic RB with one fatal flaw - he was blind as a bat, which was a big problem when one of his contact lenses fell out! I distinctly remember the whole team on their hands and knees looking for one of his lenses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:32:12 GMT
. Pejic was picked by Ramsay, which speaks volumes. Except he didn't pick him again.
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Post by dano75 on Jan 21, 2018 20:45:57 GMT
John Butler & Lee Sandford not for any other reason other than that period of football was the most enjoyable for me ! as a young lad, I loved those years at the Vic under Lou.
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Post by bloody56 on Jan 21, 2018 20:50:47 GMT
The player who has the most medals, and has played at fullback for us is Steve Bould
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Post by Veritas on Jan 21, 2018 20:55:23 GMT
The player who has the most medals, and has played at fullback for us is Steve Bould Yes but he wasn't very good at full back for us
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Post by greystokie on Jan 21, 2018 20:59:31 GMT
Jonathan Woodgate. He played for Real Madrid, you know....(shudder)
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Post by bloody56 on Jan 21, 2018 21:01:42 GMT
The player who has the most medals, and has played at fullback for us is Steve Bould Yes but he wasn't very good at full back for us I know. He is mostly remembered when playing right back for that own goal he scored from near the touchline. Still, he did play some games at right back and still had loads of success after he left us.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 21, 2018 21:06:31 GMT
I see the Short and Small pairing isn't getting many votes I know Jackie Marsh is rightly a legend but, older Stokies, was he a very good player or special enough to put Marsh and Pejic at the top of the list? I guess there can't be many, if any, now living who saw Bob McGrory play but he was quality too as an FB wasn't he?
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Post by webbyscfc on Jan 21, 2018 21:09:10 GMT
I can’t beleive John Butler has not been mentioned more. He was my favourite player as a kid. And in an era when we had stein et al and the fact it is a bit weird that a 8-11 year old would have a full back as his favourite player, highlights how good he was and would not look out of place in the team today. And the fact in all the seasons he was with us he only never made 40 appearances once in a season highlights his consistency. Can always remember him in with the away fans at Old Trafford when we lost the second leg in the league cup.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 21, 2018 21:13:24 GMT
. Pejic was picked by Ramsay, which speaks volumes. Except he didn't pick him again. He played 4 times. He was probably dropped because of his disciplinary record or not "cultured" enough for England.
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Post by dadger on Jan 21, 2018 21:17:44 GMT
Easy pejic and marsh
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Post by sifta on Jan 21, 2018 21:24:45 GMT
I only just remember Marsh, and Pejic playing for Stoke, although I do remember Pejic playing for Everton, Villa and England, he was terrifying in the Beattie/Pearce mould. (Kevin that is, not James) Most of the fullbacks mentioned here weren't at the top level for us, including Dixon and Griffin, (Although I always rated Griffin), so I think would struggle to be greatest ever.
Of the The fullbacks I remember at the top level in the early 80's only 1 stands out as a decent fullback, Iain Munro. He was quick, a good footballer, and with a good brain. He was also a full international for Scotland, at a time when that was relatively difficult.
His downfall was that he was obviously one of Stoke's most creative players, so kept getting pushed into midfield as a left winger which he patently wasn't, and then pushed back again when the experiment failed. This messing around didn't help his career, and didn't help him with the fans either I remember.
I think Steve Parkin deserves an honourable mention as well,
The others I can remember off the top of my head fall into 4 categories
Steady, if unexciting Hampton
Good but past their prime by the time they played for Stoke Evans - Did score one of the best OGs I've ever seen at Stoke, I think it was for Wolves Derek Parkin - Also not bad as a 'keeper Statham - Very good at WBA!
Youngsters who never really cut it Paul Johnson Geoff Scott
Center Halves out of position Bould Hemming McAughtrie Doyle Dodd (Although as with everywhere else he played, he was excellent!!)
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Post by tqstokie on Jan 21, 2018 21:58:47 GMT
Whatever happened to Stewart Jump?
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 21, 2018 21:59:49 GMT
Whilst most people of a certain age love Butler and Sandford (me included) it is crazy to compare them to players who played at the top level for us.
They never got the chance to prove how well they might have done at that level but that in itself says a lot.
It's much much harder to look good against players like Ronaldo, Barnes or Bale every week rather than.... (I barely remember any league 1 or Championship wingers that Butler and Sandford played against each week).
Equally unfair is the fact that players like McGrory won't get support as he's from another era. You'd have to go on the reports of the time.
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Post by wrighter on Jan 21, 2018 22:01:50 GMT
Jackie Marsh & Pej
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