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Post by Northy on Jan 16, 2018 21:24:04 GMT
after been originally flagged offside
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 16, 2018 23:07:11 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled.
Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 23:21:38 GMT
Did the lino flag for offside?
In which case the GK and defenders stop?
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 16, 2018 23:26:15 GMT
Personally I am against it.
I think it had ruined the tempo of international rugby, with games taking ages to complete. Sometimes it is still a matter of debate after spending minutes examining the replays.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2018 23:31:26 GMT
I am a convert but only if it is used without stopping the game. The issue of overruling an offside is problematic as has been stated defenders may stop if they see the flag going up.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 16, 2018 23:44:06 GMT
I'm in favour of it. If it's a 3 o'clock kick off, I don't care if I'm there until 10 at night as long as Stoke have won, drawn, or lost fairly.
The big clubs didn't want it because we know a lot of games were refereed in favour of them. This will level it out and they don't like it.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 17, 2018 1:55:27 GMT
Did the lino flag for offside? In which case the GK and defenders stop? Play to the whistle. |
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 17, 2018 2:15:39 GMT
Why am I not surprised ?
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Post by Northy on Jan 17, 2018 6:17:21 GMT
Did the lino flag for offside? In which case the GK and defenders stop? yes he did no they didnt, it was very quickly put in. took 1 min 17 seconds to review, not sure how they add the time on as only 3 mins added at the time. |
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Post by RF10 on Jan 17, 2018 10:46:25 GMT
All this will do is every time a player thinks they are onside carry on and try to score could cause chaos.
Remember when Van Persie (think it was him) got sent off for scoring after he was flagged offside for wasting time. Was second yellow.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:50:46 GMT
All this will do is every time a player thinks they are onside carry on and try to score could cause chaos. Remember when Van Persie (think it was him) got sent off for scoring after he was flagged offside for wasting time. Was second yellow. This in a nutshell. It should be used for red cards, simulation, and or goals. Offside's should be left alone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:55:03 GMT
They need to put something up on the big screen for the fans, something to help build the tension and make the decision more part of the game.
At the minute the referee just waves around like a lemon for two minutes, have the fans part of it and build the atmosphere like the NFL does.
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Post by RF10 on Jan 17, 2018 11:09:25 GMT
They need to put something up on the big screen for the fans, something to help build the tension and make the decision more part of the game. At the minute the referee just waves around like a lemon for two minutes, have the fans part of it and build the atmosphere like the NFL does. Why don't just go the full hog and release fireworks if you 'win' the decision. I just want go to watch the footy. |
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Post by block27row27 on Jan 17, 2018 12:43:42 GMT
They need to put something up on the big screen for the fans, something to help build the tension and make the decision more part of the game. At the minute the referee just waves around like a lemon for two minutes, have the fans part of it and build the atmosphere like the NFL does. Why don't just go the full hog and release fireworks if you 'win' the decision. I just want go to watch the footy. Obviously there is a line. Something like the 'out' and 'not out' in Cricket could work, although football fans tend to be a bit more problematic than those at the cricket... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 13:39:01 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled. Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too. Probably relieved that his genuine human error was corrected and did not potentially negatively impact the outcome of the game |
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2018 13:40:42 GMT
I'm in favour of it. If it's a 3 o'clock kick off, I don't care if I'm there until 10 at night as long as Stoke have won, drawn, or lost fairly. The big clubs didn't want it because we know a lot of games were refereed in favour of them. This will level it out and they don't like it. nah VAR decisions still made by corrupt-able humans so nothing will change in that regard |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 17, 2018 13:44:22 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled. Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too. It happens regularly in the NFL where VAR has been used for years. All touchdowns are reviewed and sometimes reversed. The linesman will feel a lot worse when it’s flashed all over the internet and on tv that he made a mistake. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 17, 2018 13:51:36 GMT
after been originally flagged offside Will we get to a stage where the assistant referee flags for offside and the referee allows the game to continue because he knows if the attack results in a goal, he can use the VAR as a safety net? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 13:55:44 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled. Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too. It happens regularly in the NFL where VAR has been used for years. All touchdowns are reviewed and sometimes reversed. The linesman will feel a lot worse when it’s flashed all over the internet and on tv that he made a mistake. Will he/she feel worse though or will they feel they need to up their game. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 17, 2018 14:03:28 GMT
It happens regularly in the NFL where VAR has been used for years. All touchdowns are reviewed and sometimes reversed. The linesman will feel a lot worse when it’s flashed all over the internet and on tv that he made a mistake. Will he/she feel worse though or will they feel they need to up their game. Both. The feelings of the Lino are irrelevant. The right result trumps everything. |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 17, 2018 14:05:59 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled. Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too. it was a very close call, I don't see that the linesman should have any shame from it, correct me if wrong but are they told any doubt then get your flag out? |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 17, 2018 14:09:27 GMT
Saw that, it justifies VAR, I just wondered how the poor lineman felt after being overuled. Definately a place for it in football but only for certain aspects, took a bit too long to review I thought too. it was a very close call, I don't see that the linesman should have any shame from it, correct me if wrong but are they told any doubt then get your flag out? Interesting question. They may be less likely to raise the flag if they know the non-call could be reversed. This could be the first step towards eliminating the Lino altogether, which might not be a bad idea. |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 17, 2018 14:19:02 GMT
it was a very close call, I don't see that the linesman should have any shame from it, correct me if wrong but are they told any doubt then get your flag out? Interesting question. They may be less likely to raise the flag if they know the non-call could be reversed. This could be the first step towards eliminating the Lino altogether, which might not be a bad idea. they really don't offer much these days, the speed of the game leaves them miles behind the play, again not the fault of the official but it causes issues |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 15:39:56 GMT
after been originally flagged offside Will we get to a stage where the assistant referee flags for offside and the referee allows the game to continue because he knows if the attack results in a goal, he can use the VAR as a safety net? This is the danger. Player goes through, not flagged offside (but is offside), misses one on one as keeper saves, ball goes to attackers teammate, he shoots but it's blocked, melee in the goalmouth, ball cleared but knocked straight back in, header off the bar, followed up and GOAL. All this takes 90-120 seconds. Do we then go all the way back to VAR the original offside? Is the clock reset by 90-120 seconds. If not, what's the point in VAR? I get it in NFL and cricket as they are set breaks in play... I can't see it working properly in football is great as it may be. |
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2018 15:56:01 GMT
Will we get to a stage where the assistant referee flags for offside and the referee allows the game to continue because he knows if the attack results in a goal, he can use the VAR as a safety net? This is the danger. Player goes through, not flagged offside (but is offside), misses one on one as keeper saves, ball goes to attackers teammate, he shoots but it's blocked, melee in the goalmouth, ball cleared but knocked straight back in, header off the bar, followed up and GOAL. All this takes 90-120 seconds. Do we then go all the way back to VAR the original offside? Is the clock reset by 90-120 seconds. If not, what's the point in VAR? I get it in NFL and cricket as they are set breaks in play... I can't see it working properly in football is great as it may be. In that scenario the video ref would advise it was an offside as the play continues, ref blows up 5 or 6 seconds lost no issue. The point is that the video ref does not have to wait to be asked he can intervene independently. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2018 15:57:50 GMT
It's wank. I've always hated people moaning about poxy offside calls that are "wrong" by a matter of millimetres, as if it makes any difference. It's really not worth the hassle.
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 17, 2018 16:50:20 GMT
It's wank. I've always hated people moaning about poxy offside calls that are "wrong" by a matter of millimetres, as if it makes any difference. It's really not worth the hassle. Me too. Earlier this season we even had to put up with Keown moaning at great length about a linesman giving a correct decision (to disallow Arsenal's offside goal) because he wasn't offside enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:59:56 GMT
This is the danger. Player goes through, not flagged offside (but is offside), misses one on one as keeper saves, ball goes to attackers teammate, he shoots but it's blocked, melee in the goalmouth, ball cleared but knocked straight back in, header off the bar, followed up and GOAL. All this takes 90-120 seconds. Do we then go all the way back to VAR the original offside? Is the clock reset by 90-120 seconds. If not, what's the point in VAR? I get it in NFL and cricket as they are set breaks in play... I can't see it working properly in football is great as it may be. In that scenario the video ref would advise it was an offside as the play continues, ref blows up 5 or 6 seconds lost no issue. The point is that the video ref does not have to wait to be asked he can intervene independently. It isn't that quick though surely? And doesn't watching it whilst play is still on going mean he can miss something else? |
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 17, 2018 17:05:08 GMT
Did the lino flag for offside? In which case the GK and defenders stop? This is a very good point Though you could argue with a VAR system the defenders have to now learn to play on just in case??? |
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Post by walton corner on Jan 17, 2018 17:18:33 GMT
Did the lino flag for offside? In which case the GK and defenders stop? This is a very good point Though you could argue with a VAR system the defenders have to now learn to play on just in case??? You always play to whistle in a situation like last night in the box a defender or gk wouldn't just stop ... |
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