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Post by chigstoke on Jan 19, 2018 14:58:17 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/zoumas-positive-impression“He’s a very, very good manager who knows what he wants to do. He’s very focussed on shape and us individually as players with the way he wants us to play,” the Frenchman said. “He wants us to run more and to press the ball, don’t be scared to play direct and shoot on sight as well as threaten the opposition. He has told us that we have great quality in the squad and there’s no doubt about that. We know we haven’t had great results before but he’s told us to focus on the future, starting on Saturday. It’s been a very good week of training. It was intense before but the session yesterday was certainly that little bit more high intensity, but very enjoyable. When a new manager comes in you need to be more focussed on what we are doing and perhaps take things more seriously, that’s exactly what we are doing in preparation for Huddersfield. It’s an important game and we are in a relegation battle, we need to get points and the manager is here to help us do that – but we as players need to help him as well.” Been at work all week have you Kurt? Monday - maybe a very light morning session before the game. Tuesday - off Wednesday - off? Thursday - training Friday - training I don't know when he was interviewed, but probably before training today considering he only refers to yesterday. Yet that was a very good week of training apparently!! My fucking arse. Kurt Zouma only does 3 day weeks. He pretends to live on Venus, where the weeks are quicker, this explains why he thought it was a good week of training.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 19, 2018 15:04:00 GMT
I want him to succeed but his record at Wolves and Blackburn was generally shit. Actually not Hacket !! A win rate of 40% plus at Wolves with only one low value player acquired was very good
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 19, 2018 15:04:28 GMT
So you believe Zouma when he says training has been a bit more intense but you don't believe him when he says "it was intense before but..." 'appen all he is reflecting is that the players have put a bit more effort into the sessions because they have a new manager to impress. 'It was intense before' smacks of 'I'd better not suggest that training was a doss in the past' and it's clear that they are being made to work harder. If there's not a clear difference, why mention this specifically? And was it only in the part of the stadium where I sit that people have been questioning what they do in training for at least two years? Another example of people believing only what they want to believe. The players have to say something positive about the new manager don't they? They are hardly going to say the "new manager is crap and his training is as dull as dishwater". The only thing that matters are results followed by improved performances. Anything other than that is purely rhetoric with the same old clichéd bollocks being trotted out by anyone and everyone. Lambert has plenty of time to save us as do the players. If he can't save us from here, he will be as culpable as so many others for the mess that we find ourselves in.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 15:29:50 GMT
'It was intense before' smacks of 'I'd better not suggest that training was a doss in the past' and it's clear that they are being made to work harder. If there's not a clear difference, why mention this specifically? And was it only in the part of the stadium where I sit that people have been questioning what they do in training for at least two years? Another example of people believing only what they want to believe. The players have to say something positive about the new manager don't they? They are hardly going to say the "new manager is crap and his training is as dull as dishwater". The only thing that matters are results followed by improved performances. Anything other than that is purely rhetoric with the same old clichéd bollocks being trotted out by anyone and everyone. Lambert has plenty of time to save us as do the players. If he can't save us from here, he will be as culpable as so many others for the mess that we find ourselves in. I agree with that. It's not quite, but more or less half a season for Hughes and half for Lambert. In points terms we more or less start on a level playing field. Those teams that we thought we'd be competing with at the start of the season are let's say 3 or 4 points better off than us. So it's all to play for and therefore in my opinion Lambert will have to take his share of the blame if we go down. Hughes should take more of the blame considering it's his squad (well Fat Carto's squad perhaps), but anyone who suggests Lambert shouldn't be partially accountable if we're relegated isn't looking at this with an impartial perspective.
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Post by mosquito on Jan 19, 2018 15:37:03 GMT
BEAT HUDDERSFIELD BEAT HUDDERSFIELD BEAT HUDDERSFIELD & BEAT HUDDERSFIELD for now!
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 19, 2018 15:39:26 GMT
'It was intense before' smacks of 'I'd better not suggest that training was a doss in the past' and it's clear that they are being made to work harder. If there's not a clear difference, why mention this specifically? And was it only in the part of the stadium where I sit that people have been questioning what they do in training for at least two years? Another example of people believing only what they want to believe. The players have to say something positive about the new manager don't they? They are hardly going to say the "new manager is crap and his training is as dull as dishwater". The only thing that matters are results followed by improved performances. Anything other than that is purely rhetoric with the same old clichéd bollocks being trotted out by anyone and everyone. Lambert has plenty of time to save us as do the players. If he can't save us from here, he will be as culpable as so many others for the mess that we find ourselves in. Yes, the players are going to say positive things about a new manager, but it didn't have to be specifically about the intensity of training unless there's a clear difference now. I agree that results and performances are what really matters, which is why I'm looking forward to Saturday's game more than any for ages. If we do go down, Lambert will share some blame, but nowhere near as much as the man who left him an unfit, unbalanced, disorganised squad with no winning mentality and a position in the bottom three.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 19, 2018 17:41:05 GMT
Tactics: win mentality for the remaining games Philosophy; German model of gegenpressing[/quote. Gegenpressing and Stoke CIty. Two words I never thought I'd see used together!
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2018 17:48:58 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/zoumas-positive-impression“He’s a very, very good manager who knows what he wants to do. He’s very focussed on shape and us individually as players with the way he wants us to play,” the Frenchman said. “He wants us to run more and to press the ball, don’t be scared to play direct and shoot on sight as well as threaten the opposition. He has told us that we have great quality in the squad and there’s no doubt about that. We know we haven’t had great results before but he’s told us to focus on the future, starting on Saturday. It’s been a very good week of training. It was intense before but the session yesterday was certainly that little bit more high intensity, but very enjoyable. When a new manager comes in you need to be more focussed on what we are doing and perhaps take things more seriously, that’s exactly what we are doing in preparation for Huddersfield. It’s an important game and we are in a relegation battle, we need to get points and the manager is here to help us do that – but we as players need to help him as well.” I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately
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Post by kustokie on Jan 19, 2018 17:54:46 GMT
It is so important all the players understand the manager’s overall expectations, and even more importantly, they understand Plan A going into each game and what Plan B will be if Plan A isn’t working. Of course injuries can require some extemporaneous adjustments,. At the beginning Hughes seemed to have a pretty good plan but somewhere along the way he totally lost the plot.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 19, 2018 17:57:54 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/zoumas-positive-impression“He’s a very, very good manager who knows what he wants to do. He’s very focussed on shape and us individually as players with the way he wants us to play,” the Frenchman said. “He wants us to run more and to press the ball, don’t be scared to play direct and shoot on sight as well as threaten the opposition. He has told us that we have great quality in the squad and there’s no doubt about that. We know we haven’t had great results before but he’s told us to focus on the future, starting on Saturday. It’s been a very good week of training. It was intense before but the session yesterday was certainly that little bit more high intensity, but very enjoyable. When a new manager comes in you need to be more focussed on what we are doing and perhaps take things more seriously, that’s exactly what we are doing in preparation for Huddersfield. It’s an important game and we are in a relegation battle, we need to get points and the manager is here to help us do that – but we as players need to help him as well.” I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately Taking more shots requires movement off the ball to create a little space for our best shooters to pick their spot. Right we are very easy to defend because there’s not enough movement off the ball. As a matter of interest, who are best shooters from 18-25 yards out? After Adam and Shaq, I am having trouble coming up with names.
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2018 18:09:46 GMT
I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately Taking more shots requires movement off the ball to create a little space for our best shooters to pick their spot. Right we are very easy to defend because there’s not enough movement off the ball. As a matter of interest, who are best shooters from 18-25 yards out? After Adam and Shaq, I am having trouble coming up with names. Best strikers, I wouldn’t want to guess! We do lack the kind of 1-2 passing that we saw with shaq arnie and allen at times last season but I think that any of our (non defensive) players should be able to test the keeper from the edge of the area. The way we set up with crouch does restrict our creativity at times because no one is close enough to him. I just hope to see a slightly different approach to most aspects of our game, for the better, but attacking wise I hope we learn to overload when we can and defend as a team when we need to.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jan 19, 2018 18:11:42 GMT
I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately Taking more shots requires movement off the ball to create a little space for our best shooters to pick their spot. Right we are very easy to defend because there’s not enough movement off the ball. As a matter of interest, who are best shooters from 18-25 yards out? After Adam and Shaq, I am having trouble coming up with names. The new left back 😁
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 19, 2018 18:26:02 GMT
Can imagine this will be a bit of a relief for Joe Allen. Others joining in the 'press'. Could see a more focused Joe as a result.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 18:28:44 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/zoumas-positive-impression“He’s a very, very good manager who knows what he wants to do. He’s very focussed on shape and us individually as players with the way he wants us to play,” the Frenchman said. “He wants us to run more and to press the ball, don’t be scared to play direct and shoot on sight as well as threaten the opposition. He has told us that we have great quality in the squad and there’s no doubt about that. We know we haven’t had great results before but he’s told us to focus on the future, starting on Saturday. It’s been a very good week of training. It was intense before but the session yesterday was certainly that little bit more high intensity, but very enjoyable. When a new manager comes in you need to be more focussed on what we are doing and perhaps take things more seriously, that’s exactly what we are doing in preparation for Huddersfield. It’s an important game and we are in a relegation battle, we need to get points and the manager is here to help us do that – but we as players need to help him as well.” I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately The problem is not the number of shots we have in a game, it's the number of shots we have every game that miss the target. It's pathetic and pretty disgraceful just how poor our shooting is as a team.
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2018 18:31:33 GMT
I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately The problem is not the number of shots we have in a game, it's the number of shots we have every game that miss the target. It's pathetic and pretty disgraceful just how poor our shooting is as a team. This is very true bud. But as they say, if you don’t buy a ticket.
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2018 18:33:15 GMT
I love the idea of having more shots, hopefully improve our chances of converting a few! Hopefully see a bit more dynamism and energy off the ball. I hope we get organised though and close down the space rather than letting the oppo roam to our 18 yard box, like has been the case lately The problem is not the number of shots we have in a game, it's the number of shots we have every game that miss the target. It's pathetic and pretty disgraceful just how poor our shooting is as a team. Edit: quick goog shows were 10th for shots converted into goals... www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 18:35:45 GMT
Can imagine this will be a bit of a relief for Joe Allen. Others joining in the 'press'. Could see a more focused Joe as a result. Apparently we're going to press high up the pitch. 1. I'll believe it when I see it. 2. I don't think we have the energy or desire to do it collectively and successfully as a team. As a result, fail to do it properly and there's a big chance of being picked off by decent opposition.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 18:38:07 GMT
I won't argue with statistics but it doesn't feel that way.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 19, 2018 19:13:54 GMT
Can imagine this will be a bit of a relief for Joe Allen. Others joining in the 'press'. Could see a more focused Joe as a result. Apparently we're going to press high up the pitch. 1. I'll believe it when I see it. 2. I don't think we have the energy or desire to do it collectively and successfully as a team. As a result, fail to do it properly and there's a big chance of being picked off by decent opposition. No doubt mate. Agreed, I'm reserving judgement until I see how it translates onto the pitch. Valid observations. It will be a shift in philosophy, Hughes concentrated on getting the ball to do the work, emphasis on the individual rather than shape. I read that all most of the fitness work was done with a ball, pre season it was introduced from the start. Pendulum swing from TP. I'm hoping Lambert occupies the middle ground. I'm not expecting a fully formed gegenpress on saturday, it's perhaps a bit ironic we're facing Wagner, another supposed exponent. But a free run through midfield has to stop. That Brighton draw was symptomatic, their two goals came from their half, from a breakdown in our attack. there were 7 chances for us to put in a challenge for the first. 5 in the second. All failed. We seem to have gone from individual errors being our undoing, to collective fuck ups. I'm sure some of it has been down to confidence, self perpetuating nervy displays etc. Being marginally below 100% as a result. I'm sure in such times the message/instructions from the boss cease being quite so credible too. Some of that seemed to have gone on monday? There are dangers if we don't get it right agreed, I expect our rankings in the fair play league to plummet, and hope we don't start giving away loads of costly free kicks. It's interesting to see how the squad steps up. It's often down to fine margins in the Prem ain't it. We'll see, a bit of a lift, buzz from us, some drilling in the week.. Might just have the necessary effect. Seemed like we were in the market for a midfielder {as well as Fletch} in the summer, not doing so has been a main factor in where we are, hopefully it'll get done. Until he arrives I'd put Bruno in the dm role. Or put Ramadan in midfield perhaps. Faith is the ability to ignore doubt.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 19, 2018 19:17:49 GMT
If he wants us to press further up the pitch then it can only be Diouf who starts up front can't it? No way on earth you'll get any of that out of Crouch.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 19:24:46 GMT
If he wants us to press further up the pitch then it can only be Diouf who starts up front can't it? No way on earth you'll get any of that out of Crouch. Agreed. But to press high up the pitch properly means when one goes you all go. I have my doubts but let's see.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 19, 2018 19:28:38 GMT
Apparently we're going to press high up the pitch. 1. I'll believe it when I see it. 2. I don't think we have the energy or desire to do it collectively and successfully as a team. As a result, fail to do it properly and there's a big chance of being picked off by decent opposition. No doubt mate. Agreed, I'm reserving judgement until I see how it translates onto the pitch. Valid observations. It will be a shift in philosophy, Hughes concentrated on getting the ball to do the work, emphasis on the individual rather than shape. I read that all most of the fitness work was done with a ball, pre season it was introduced from the start. Pendulum swing from TP. I'm hoping Lambert occupies the middle ground. I'm not expecting a fully formed gegenpress on saturday, it's perhaps a bit ironic we're facing Wagner, another supposed exponent. But a free run through midfield has to stop. That Brighton draw was symptomatic, their two goals came from their half, from a breakdown in our attack. there were 7 chances for us to put in a challenge for the first. 5 in the second. All failed. We seem to have gone from individual errors being our undoing, to collective fuck ups. I'm sure some of it has been down to confidence, self perpetuating nervy displays etc. Being marginally below 100% as a result. I'm sure in such times the message/instructions from the boss cease being quite so credible too. Some of that seemed to have gone on monday? There are dangers if we don't get it right agreed, I expect our rankings in the fair play league to plummet, and hope we don't start giving away loads of costly free kicks. It's interesting to see how the squad steps up. It's often down to fine margins in the Prem ain't it. We'll see, a bit of a lift, buzz from us, some drilling in the week.. Might just have the necessary effect. Seemed like we were in the market for a midfielder {as well as Fletch} in the summer, not doing so has been a main factor in where we are, hopefully it'll get done. Until he arrives I'd put Bruno in the dm role. Or put Ramadan in midfield perhaps. Faith is the ability to ignore doubt. You're right and that Brighton game was a joke. Maybe I'm just being negative and cynical but I just can't see how the style can change after 2 training sessions with those who played on Monday. Maybe I'm doing Braveheart a disservice.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2018 19:30:03 GMT
Something similar to Lambert's Wolves side that played us off the pitch 12 months ago is what I'd like to see tomorrow. Pace and energy. That means no Wimmer, Fletcher, Adam, Afellay or Crouch hopefully.
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Post by loosestools on Jan 19, 2018 19:53:17 GMT
It won't be Lambert that might takes us down, it will be the Hughes debacle.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 20:02:01 GMT
It won't be Lambert that might takes us down, it will be the Hughes debacle. What if after a tweaked line up and a different formation Lambert's Stoke play shit and we lose 2 nil at home to Huddersfield? How could that be Hughes' fault?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 19, 2018 20:05:18 GMT
It won't be Lambert that might takes us down, it will be the Hughes debacle. What if after a tweaked line up and a different formation Lambert's Stoke play shit and we lose 2 nil at home to Huddersfield? How could that be Hughes' fault? Equally if Lambert gets a tune out of them, I wonder if the same bellends who tried to give Pulis the credit for Hughes’ success because it was ‘his team’ will be rushing to give Sparky the credit this time round?
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Post by adi on Jan 19, 2018 20:13:13 GMT
I won't argue with statistics but it doesn't feel that way. I know!
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 19, 2018 20:17:26 GMT
Could go either way this. Hopefully the new manager syndrome will get us through. Cannot imagine that he will be able to impart anything significant in his limited time frame. Probably next game, after a break and a new player will be a better yardstick.
One thing I do know... he likes a beer and a glass of wine according to tonight's Sentinel article.
Best of luck Paul from all us Stokies.
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Post by loosestools on Jan 19, 2018 20:18:27 GMT
It won't be Lambert that might takes us down, it will be the Hughes debacle. What if after a tweaked line up and a different formation Lambert's Stoke play shit and we lose 2 nil at home to Huddersfield? How could that be Hughes' fault? Surely, not enough time to adjust and rectify.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 20:59:46 GMT
What if after a tweaked line up and a different formation Lambert's Stoke play shit and we lose 2 nil at home to Huddersfield? How could that be Hughes' fault? Surely, not enough time to adjust and rectify. OK. I'll give you this week. But you did mention relegation which is in May. When is 'enough time' ?
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