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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:31:14 GMT
Because people are nit picking. So just to clarify. When a lot of people say never its just a phrase, i didn't mean he's never not once turned up. Look, i can be a cunt on here and i do express my love for tony pulis and hatred for mark hughes, but i can assure, the majority (90%) of the time hughes was never at the training session. Yes he may of been in a building at the training ground, but what i mean his he hardly ever joined in the live sessions and left that to others. He didn't have any input on it. So you've said exactly what everyone else has said? that he didn't take the training sessions, and Bowen and Niedwiecki did that? I don't see the issue with that, obviously EN and MB were good at the coaching side and Hughes was the type to stand back and observe the training. Gives him the chance to concentrate on evaluating the squad. You've now backtracked all the way to saying 'okay so he was AT training but he didn't put himself up front in the 11 a sides!' I haven't back tracked at all. You were nit picking. I'm sorry but Hughes should of been taking the training sessions. Do you not agree?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:38:13 GMT
So you've said exactly what everyone else has said? that he didn't take the training sessions, and Bowen and Niedwiecki did that? I don't see the issue with that, obviously EN and MB were good at the coaching side and Hughes was the type to stand back and observe the training. Gives him the chance to concentrate on evaluating the squad. You've now backtracked all the way to saying 'okay so he was AT training but he didn't put himself up front in the 11 a sides!' I haven't back tracked at all. You were nit picking. I'm sorry but Hughes should of been taking the training sessions. Do you not agree? You said explicitly that he wasn't there. He was. Not that nitpicky really. Not particularly, if he wants to let the coaches take the majority of sessions and he stands back and observes. I think a lot of clubs will have a similar approach. I would be annoyed if he wasn't observing and wasn't at the training ground, but that's not the case.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:39:22 GMT
I haven't back tracked at all. You were nit picking. I'm sorry but Hughes should of been taking the training sessions. Do you not agree? You said explicitly that he wasn't there. He was. Not that nitpicky really. Not particularly, if he wants to let the coaches take the majority of sessions and he stands back and observes. I think a lot of clubs will have a similar approach. I would be annoyed if he wasn't observing and wasn't at the training ground, but that's not the case. He wasn't observing. That's my point.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2018 10:39:50 GMT
So far he's been an abysmal failure. However, I sense some of us are taking pleasure from Berahino's ongoing form lack. Some have been cynical about buying him all along and it could be them getting too much satisfaction from being proven 'right '.
As much as any Stoke player ever it would be fantastic if he could come good to ram the words of the self serving I told you soers right down their supercilious throats.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:42:40 GMT
So far he's been an abysmal failure. However, I sense some of us are taking pleasure from Berahino's ongoing form lack. Some have been cynical about buying him all along and it could be them getting too much satisfaction from being proven 'right '. As much as any Stoke player ever it would be fantastic if he could come good to ram the words of the self serving I told you soers right down their supercilious throats. I want Berahino to do well, i really want him to start scoring again to stuff it down the baggies throats, it's not going to happen though, is it?
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 17, 2018 10:42:50 GMT
For what it's worth, Fergie never stood on the training ground, he sat up in an office and watched the whole thing from a vantage point so that he could assess what was going on. Coaches coach, managers manage. It appears that none of ours were doing their jobs effectively, whether you agree or disagree that Hughes should have been stood on the grass getting involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:43:08 GMT
You said explicitly that he wasn't there. He was. Not that nitpicky really. Not particularly, if he wants to let the coaches take the majority of sessions and he stands back and observes. I think a lot of clubs will have a similar approach. I would be annoyed if he wasn't observing and wasn't at the training ground, but that's not the case. He wasn't observing. That's my point. You have no basis to believe that. If the club didn't think Hughes at least observed training there would be a big problem.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2018 10:44:52 GMT
So far he's been an abysmal failure. However, I sense some of us are taking pleasure from Berahino's ongoing form lack. Some have been cynical about buying him all along and it could be them getting too much satisfaction from being proven 'right '. As much as any Stoke player ever it would be fantastic if he could come good to ram the words of the self serving I told you soers right down their supercilious throats. I want Berahino to do well, i really want him to start scoring again to stuff it down the baggies throats, it's not going to happen though, is it? Well hopefully it will. Let's see.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:45:43 GMT
He wasn't observing. That's my point. You have no basis to believe that. If the club didn't think Hughes at least observed training there would be a big problem. He paid no attention to it. Didn't over see it. Had nothing to do with the live sessions. That's been my point all along.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:49:30 GMT
You have no basis to believe that. If the club didn't think Hughes at least observed training there would be a big problem. He paid no attention to it. Didn't over see it. Had nothing to do with the live sessions. That's been my point all along. Again, if that were true it would definitely make a story. And I imagine the club would be very unhappy.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 10:52:07 GMT
He paid no attention to it. Didn't over see it. Had nothing to do with the live sessions. That's been my point all along. Again, if that were true it would definitely make a story. And I imagine the club would be very unhappy. Now you understand why i was making a point about it. I believe coate's wasn't around much or anyone actually checking what was going on, just left them to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:55:08 GMT
Again, if that were true it would definitely make a story. And I imagine the club would be very unhappy. Now you understand why i was making a point about it. I believe coate's wasn't around much or anyone actually checking what was going on, just left them to it. Isn't it particularly well spoken about that Coates is involved a lot in day to day and is always in and around the club?
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:01:13 GMT
Now you understand why i was making a point about it. I believe coate's wasn't around much or anyone actually checking what was going on, just left them to it. Isn't it particularly well spoken about that Coates is involved a lot in day to day and is always in and around the club? He may be in and around the club, but training was left to the coaches. Neither was involved. Being honest as pointed out by scfc Hughe's may of been watching from a vantage point, but he was never directly involved with training on the 'grass' so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:11:06 GMT
Isn't it particularly well spoken about that Coates is involved a lot in day to day and is always in and around the club? He may be in and around the club, but training was left to the coaches. Neither was involved. Being honest as pointed out by scfc Hughe's may of been watching from a vantage point, but he was never directly involved with training on the 'grass' so to speak. This is pointless going back and forth. If the manager of the club had absolutely nothing to do with training there's no way either Coates would be happy or the players would have any rapport with him, which going off their reactions after his sacking they obviously did. It's well documented he's not hands on in training, but he will observe, otherwise there's no point in him being at the club. Let's stop ruining this thread, because I simply don't believe you know anything at all, and you're making things up to fuel a weird hatred of Hughes, and barring a quote from someone in the club saying he was never there, I'm not going to change my mind.
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Post by hudsontojenkins on Jan 17, 2018 11:12:08 GMT
Berahino was always a bit of a gamble, same as when Liverpool signed Balotelli in the hope that they could tap in to the undoubted talent that was there. What I think Hughes missed was playing to Bera's strengths - at West Brom they got the best out of him by playing him as part of a front two, rather than as a lone striker. I don't think Bera can play as a lone striker, especially if he is low on confidence anyway. Unfortunately having him as part of a front two means that you're stuck with either 5-3-2, 4-4-2, and we just don't have the players for 5-3-2. Will be interesting to see how Lambert handles him. Hope he gives Bera a chance, because I think there is ability there - it's just not being utilised.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:23:35 GMT
He may be in and around the club, but training was left to the coaches. Neither was involved. Being honest as pointed out by scfc Hughe's may of been watching from a vantage point, but he was never directly involved with training on the 'grass' so to speak. This is pointless going back and forth. If the manager of the club had absolutely nothing to do with training there's no way either Coates would be happy or the players would have any rapport with him, which going off their reactions after his sacking they obviously did. It's well documented he's not hands on in training, but he will observe, otherwise there's no point in him being at the club. Let's stop ruining this thread, because I simply don't believe you know anything at all, and you're making things up to fuel a weird hatred of Hughes, and barring a quote from someone in the club saying he was never there, I'm not going to change my mind. The quote was from a player, lets just say that. The players loved it because it was a doss and a lot of them don't give a monkeys anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:33:36 GMT
This is pointless going back and forth. If the manager of the club had absolutely nothing to do with training there's no way either Coates would be happy or the players would have any rapport with him, which going off their reactions after his sacking they obviously did. It's well documented he's not hands on in training, but he will observe, otherwise there's no point in him being at the club. Let's stop ruining this thread, because I simply don't believe you know anything at all, and you're making things up to fuel a weird hatred of Hughes, and barring a quote from someone in the club saying he was never there, I'm not going to change my mind. The quote was from a player, lets just say that. The players loved it because it was a doss and a lot of them don't give a monkeys anyway. Which one? Where is the quote? The players who defended him were Crouch/Adam/Shawcross and the like. The ones from the apparent 'passionate side' of the team.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:34:19 GMT
The quote was from a player, lets just say that. The players loved it because it was a doss and a lot of them don't give a monkeys anyway. Which one? Where is the quote? The players who defended him were Crouch/Adam/Shawcross and the like. The ones from the apparent 'passionate side' of the team. It wasn't said in the media.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:35:06 GMT
Which one? Where is the quote? The players who defended him were Crouch/Adam/Shawcross and the like. The ones from the apparent 'passionate side' of the team. It wasn't said in the media.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:38:10 GMT
It wasn't said in the media. My old mans best friend is one of the current players' fathers.
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Post by knyperstokie on Jan 17, 2018 11:50:08 GMT
It's no use giving Berahino games if he is not fit. He wasn't fit when he came to Stoke and he isn't now. His own agent confirms this: www.balls.ie/football/tim-sherwood-saido-berahino-380758Berahino has no one but himself to blame for his lack of fitness. Stoke must have a superb set up to get and keep players fit and he doesn't take advantage of this. No one else is to blame.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:01:33 GMT
It's no use giving Berahino games if he is not fit. He wasn't fit when he came to Stoke and he isn't now. His own agent confirms this: www.balls.ie/football/tim-sherwood-saido-berahino-380758Berahino has no one but himself to blame for his lack of fitness. Stoke must have a superb set up to get and keep players fit and he doesn't take advantage of this. No one else is to blame. I have only just seen this. Shocking
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Post by Northy on Jan 17, 2018 12:13:06 GMT
Again you literally have no idea if that's true or not. There's not liking Hughes and then there's making things up. Lilfraise, again, i can assure you this is 100% true. Ask anyone that you think is in the know, davesviews, anyone. They will back up what I'm telling you 100% davesviews
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:18:58 GMT
My old mans best friend is one of the current players' fathers. Well my old man's physio used to work with Shay Given so ner-ner
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:19:32 GMT
My old mans best friend is one of the current players' fathers. Well my old man's physio used to work with Shay Given so ner-ner I'm not playing a game, I'm telling you the facts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:19:58 GMT
Well my old man's physio used to work with Shay Given so ner-ner I'm not playing a game, I'm telling you the facts So am I, ask my dad if needs be
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:20:12 GMT
one to ones
'knock knock'
'saido - come in'
'not good is it ?'
'well boss I've been abused and misused' -its really not my fault'
'well the slates clean son'
'thank you'
'you can go son'
mutters under breath - 'what am I going to do with this total and utter fucking waster' ?
'knock knock'
'Kevin ?'
'come in son '
and so it goes on
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:20:19 GMT
I'm not playing a game, I'm telling you the facts So am I, ask my dad if needs be Happy for you
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:23:32 GMT
So am I, ask my dad if needs be Happy for you Love this board sometimes
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Post by stokeson on Jan 17, 2018 12:35:16 GMT
Not fit to wear the shirt comes to mind..
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