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Espanyol
Jan 15, 2018 18:33:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:33:34 GMT
Interesting this is leaked now. Puts a different complexion on this for me
Less our incompetent negotiation skills and more likely a refusal to be bent over and shafted
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 15, 2018 18:35:50 GMT
Tony Scholes.... Not all heroes wear capes.
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Espanyol
Jan 15, 2018 18:36:39 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 15, 2018 18:36:39 GMT
The article was posted at 10am.
But obviously not as negative so the major players on this board refuse to post stories like this
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Espanyol
Jan 15, 2018 19:59:24 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 15, 2018 19:59:24 GMT
Yes, if those players were good where's the problem? The problem ? The usual penny pinching
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Espanyol
Jan 15, 2018 20:56:55 GMT
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 15, 2018 20:56:55 GMT
Anyone considered that, actually, the club made the decision not to pursue because it sounds dodgy as fuck? It wasn't that long ago some managers were getting kick backs for signing certain players from certain agents. Maybe the Coates family, and Scholes, found the scenario they were in somewhat uncomfortable and decided not to pursue it. I'm not saying Flores is taking back handers, but questions need to be asked about why he's demanding the signing of certain players before he's sharpened his transfer list pencil at Stoke or else he won't join. There's a huge difference between saying "sign them or I won't join", and providing a list of players he believes would improve the club's situation. £18 million for Wimmer. £18 million for Imbula. £13 million Berahino. Don’t they strike anyone as being dodgy deals?
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Espanyol
Jan 15, 2018 21:00:52 GMT
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Post by birchesheadstokie on Jan 15, 2018 21:00:52 GMT
Anyone considered that, actually, the club made the decision not to pursue because it sounds dodgy as fuck? It wasn't that long ago some managers were getting kick backs for signing certain players from certain agents. Maybe the Coates family, and Scholes, found the scenario they were in somewhat uncomfortable and decided not to pursue it. I'm not saying Flores is taking back handers, but questions need to be asked about why he's demanding the signing of certain players before he's sharpened his transfer list pencil at Stoke or else he won't join. There's a huge difference between saying "sign them or I won't join", and providing a list of players he believes would improve the club's situation. Would explain the club denying been turned down by managers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 22:04:39 GMT
It doesn't matter now, but Espanyol have beaten Barcelona in that Copa Del Ray thingy!
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Espanyol
Jan 17, 2018 22:09:41 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 17, 2018 22:09:41 GMT
Valverde OUT
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 17, 2018 22:12:02 GMT
Only the first leg and messi missed a penalty but still impressive
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 17, 2018 22:12:16 GMT
The one that got away. We'll stay up this year but long term I think we'll regret we didn't get QSF.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 17, 2018 22:26:33 GMT
The one that got away. We'll stay up this year but long term I think we'll regret we didn't get QSF. Not if we stay up!
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Post by jeycov on Jan 17, 2018 22:31:28 GMT
Just beaten Barcelona 1-0
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 17, 2018 22:41:33 GMT
23,323 crowd in a 40000 capacity stadium in a derby with one of the teams being Barca. What the fuck is that about??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 22:42:44 GMT
23,323 crowd in a 40000 capacity stadium in a derby with one of the teams being Barca. What the fuck is that about?? Same with all bar the top 4 or 5.......
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Espanyol
Jan 17, 2018 22:45:09 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 17, 2018 22:45:09 GMT
23,323 crowd in a 40000 capacity stadium in a derby with one of the teams being Barca. What the fuck is that about?? Same with all bar the top 4 or 5....... I know Spanish fans don't travel away but....they didn't have to!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 17, 2018 22:46:36 GMT
Happy for them and him. But we've got the ballsy stuff to deal with
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 17, 2018 23:14:58 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover
1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour
no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 17, 2018 23:22:52 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover 1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do Perhaps Benji in this instance we handled it absolutely bob on. None of us will ever know the truth.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2018 23:27:07 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover 1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do One thing is for sure.... you will still find something to moan about. We negotiate with a potential manager. An issue arises we are unhappy with. The issue is irretrievably problematic to both parties. We withdraw interest. So what's wrong with that? That's responsible governance isn't it?
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 18, 2018 0:00:32 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover 1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do One thing is for sure.... you will still find something to moan about. We negotiate with a potential manager. An issue arises we are unhappy with. Yhe issue is irretrievably problematic to both parties. We withdraw interest. So what's wrong with that? That's responsible governance isn't it? I think it IS absolutely the correct thing to do. However, in my opinion, we need a little more transparency from the club. We got stung with the Remy incident, and since then everything has been cloak and dagger stuff. But this is the modern world of football and these things get out, from one side or the other. Be better if the club had at least announced that after much negotiation a (financial, squad promise etc.) solution could not be found and all parties have moved on. Stop the rumour mill and keep people onside. Had they done that over QSF and MON, then the shit storm that greeted PL on Monday would have been but a murmur, as we would all have understood the situation and in all likelihood praised the board for their diligence, and accepted that PL is/was probably the best candidate for us at this time.
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Espanyol
Jan 18, 2018 0:20:11 GMT
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Post by Groundhog Day on Jan 18, 2018 0:20:11 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover 1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do One thing is for sure.... you will still find something to moan about. We negotiate with a potential manager. An issue arises we are unhappy with. Yhe issue is irretrievably problematic to both parties. We withdraw interest. So what's wrong with that? That's responsible governance isn't it? I agree Joe but if this is the case why didn't we state that we withdrew interest? The whole world sees it that he turned us down. If we have been hard done by the club should make a statement, otherwise we should take it that we were turned down.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 18, 2018 0:24:16 GMT
One thing is for sure.... you will still find something to moan about. We negotiate with a potential manager. An issue arises we are unhappy with. Yhe issue is irretrievably problematic to both parties. We withdraw interest. So what's wrong with that? That's responsible governance isn't it? I think it IS absolutely the correct thing to do. However, in my opinion, we need a little more transparency from the club.
We got stung with the Remy incident, and since then everything has been cloak and dagger stuff. But this is the modern world of football and these things get out, from one side or the other. Be better if the club had at least announced that after much negotiation a (financial, squad promise etc.) solution could not be found and all parties have moved on. Stop the rumour mill and keep people onside. Had they done that over QSF and MON, then the shit storm that greeted PL on Monday would have been but a murmur, as we would all have understood the situation and in all likelihood praised the board for their diligence, and accepted that PL is/was probably the best candidate for us at this time. Why? There are a privately help company. They are under no obligation to tell anybody anything until the deal is done. In fact they are best not to show their hand because it only helps the other side. Besides, it wouldn’t give us anything to bullshit about!
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Post by Northy on Jan 18, 2018 7:52:07 GMT
Same with all bar the top 4 or 5....... I know Spanish fans don't travel away but....they didn't have to! I went to watch Barca v Espanyol in a league game a few years ago, 7 of us on a stag weekend, easily got a ticket in the home end and there were about 200 Espanyol fans in the away end
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Post by Northy on Jan 18, 2018 7:54:10 GMT
Interesting post rationalisation , alas it fails to cover 1 who identified him in the first place 2 what diligence took place 3 why was this only an issue at the eleventh hour no one will ever know if it was a good thing or not , but one thing for sure we handled it badly as we so often do you could find some negativity in the £65m Euro win tomorrow night. If the club was being held to ransom then it was best to withdraw from negotiations, simples ....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 10:47:32 GMT
Anyone considered that, actually, the club made the decision not to pursue because it sounds dodgy as fuck? It wasn't that long ago some managers were getting kick backs for signing certain players from certain agents. Maybe the Coates family, and Scholes, found the scenario they were in somewhat uncomfortable and decided not to pursue it. I'm not saying Flores is taking back handers, but questions need to be asked about why he's demanding the signing of certain players before he's sharpened his transfer list pencil at Stoke or else he won't join. There's a huge difference between saying "sign them or I won't join", and providing a list of players he believes would improve the club's situation. The way I understand it it wasn't Flores who demanded to take the players. It was the club that essentially demanded that Stoke relieved them of their financial problems by paying £20M in fees. QSF was really just caught in the middle. He wanted to join us but was under contract. Espanyol knew we were desperate and played their hand - and lost. With the club just having beaten Barcelona I imagine that all is forgotten and QSF is very much the man of the hour with the Spanish fans. But watch that space carefully, A couple of losses and he could be out of a job. It's the Spanish way. Fwiw, Gerard, Lopez, and Baptistao are very good players. They could have done a good job here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 10:49:59 GMT
23,323 crowd in a 40000 capacity stadium in a derby with one of the teams being Barca. What the fuck is that about?? Just a cup game.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 18, 2018 10:57:20 GMT
Anyone considered that, actually, the club made the decision not to pursue because it sounds dodgy as fuck? It wasn't that long ago some managers were getting kick backs for signing certain players from certain agents. Maybe the Coates family, and Scholes, found the scenario they were in somewhat uncomfortable and decided not to pursue it. I'm not saying Flores is taking back handers, but questions need to be asked about why he's demanding the signing of certain players before he's sharpened his transfer list pencil at Stoke or else he won't join. There's a huge difference between saying "sign them or I won't join", and providing a list of players he believes would improve the club's situation. The way I understand it it wasn't Flores who demanded to take the players. It was the club that essentially demanded that Stoke relieved them of their financial problems by paying £20M in fees. QSF was really just caught in the middle. He wanted to join us but was under contract. Espanyol knew we were desperate and played their hand - and lost. With the club just having beaten Barcelona I imagine that all is forgotten and QSF is very much the man of the hour with the Spanish fans. But watch that space carefully, A couple of losses and he could be out of a job. It's the Spanish way. Fwiw, Gerard, Lopez, and Baptistao are very good players. They could have done a good job here. My reading too.
And, depending on where the fault for the breakdown actually lay, I suspect that we might not have heard the last of Mr. QSF.
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Post by maine on Jan 18, 2018 13:44:10 GMT
The only one of those players I'd be interested in would be Moreno. He's a younger slightly better version of Joselo I'd suggest. Sr Flores knows how to organize a defence. Apart from the left back (who struggled with Messi-no surprise) they're pretty average, but I hope Lambert can get ours to their collective level.
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2018 13:46:01 GMT
23,323 crowd in a 40000 capacity stadium in a derby with one of the teams being Barca. What the fuck is that about?? Copa Del Rey isn't viewed as an important competition
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2018 15:43:12 GMT
Having looked at the credentials of the players mentioned combined I wouldn't say they were worth 20mill, Never mind for one!! Neither here nor there - we should have acceded to close out the deal - it would have been 4m less anyhow - so shortsighted. We were chasing him ffs - now we're back to Jurassic Park There’s no guarantee QSF would have kept us up. Once the club got involved trying to hold us to ransom, I’d have done the exact same thing. Either there is a 4 million buy out clause or there isn’t. QSF do you want the job regardless of what espanyol day? Yes, c’mon-no, next please. How about before we label Lambert “Jurassic “, we give him a chance?
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