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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 25, 2018 12:21:14 GMT
Bang on.Its astonishing people want him back. He's a busted flush. Can't even get in the Alaves squad. His career has gone steadily downhill. And you're right in the Prem he is like watching an under 9 in an adults game. Football fans are weird sometimes.This romantic attachment to a player who won't remotely help us is just daft. I really liked him before the injury but since then he's basically a passenger and its like we're playing with 1 man down when he's on the pitch. Now unless we fill midfield with a bunch of bruisers who can all break up play and allow him a free role then fine, but that's not going to happen and we don't have the capacity to carry him anymore. I don;t mind him coming back, but then I'd only want to see him playing the last 15 minutes of games when we're already 3-0 up. haha when was the last time that happened at Stoke?
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 25, 2018 12:21:58 GMT
Pretty sure he has to be registered in our squad on Feb 1st if he's going to play this season - and the only 2 clubs he can play for this season are Stoke and Alaves - and it doesn't look like he's going to do any playing at all there. Suppose it's possible we're waiting to see what we can do, signings-wise, before recalling him. At the moment we've apparently got 23 (including Bauer and Stafylidis). Harrison wouldn't count this season - but the midfielder and striker we're supposedly tracking would take us up to the 25. And that'd mean we'd have to get rid of Jese - or just do the obvious move of putting him in ahead of Glen Johnson (and it's surely time to pay off the last 6 months of his deal) Bojan's got another 2 and a half years on £60-70k-a-week, so something's going to have to be worked out. There was some talk in Spain of an MLS team being interested, and apparently he'd be allowed to join them and play for them this season as their season starts on a different date. Could be time for him to look at that kind of thing if he's totally unwanted here and not good enough to make a mark at somewhere like Alaves? You have to think we are holding on to see what we can bring in and indeed ship out, prior to making a decision on him then...which isn't particularly conducive to making him feel wanted and a genuine part of the new managers plans. Perhaps. But this is about keeping us up, and getting some stability back into the side. If that means Bojan has to wait it out for an answer, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:22:09 GMT
We need eleven grafters out there If We are going to bend the rules and say let shaq be a sort of number 10, who doesnt have to track back all the time Then We have played all our cards We cant say let bojan be number 10 Aswell, he doesnt have to track back either Its the premier league, not lads and dads And if Shaqiri gets injured? Then a team that would by then be used to having one player, just one player that can play them out of trouble and create something out of nothing at the other end, would be bereft of that creativity. Don't tell me Shaq's playing the best football of his career - he's not - and he won't be injured anymore. We've yet to see a season in Shaq's adult career where he hasn't cried off a couple of times, sometimes for lengthy spells. Do you then replace him with Diouf, Cameron or Choupa? No that's exactly the time when we will be happy we still have Bojan on our books. Obviously to keep him fit and happy, he will have to be a regular sub and even play the odd game where Shaq gets rested altogether.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 25, 2018 12:27:10 GMT
Luxury Player that gets knocked off the ball too easily and not the same since his injury. Haven't seen many offers for him here or Europe over the last two years. Another Write off I'm afraid to go with all the others. Get someone with a bit of Steel & skill in midfield like Allen Bang on.Its astonishing people want him back. He's a busted flush. Can't even get in the Alaves squad. His career has gone steadily downhill. And you're right in the Prem he is like watching an under 9 in an adults game. Football fans are weird sometimes.This romantic attachment to a player who won't remotely help us is just daft. I don't believe footballers just lose their skill and ability. I think for whatever reason (injury) Bojan has failed to make an impact, he needs unlocking, if the new manager thinks he can pick the lock and get him firing again, he should be given the opportunity to try. If the new manager thinks it is beyond him, we should let him go.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 25, 2018 13:07:11 GMT
Bang on.Its astonishing people want him back. He's a busted flush. Can't even get in the Alaves squad. His career has gone steadily downhill. And you're right in the Prem he is like watching an under 9 in an adults game. Football fans are weird sometimes.This romantic attachment to a player who won't remotely help us is just daft. I really liked him before the injury but since then he's basically a passenger and its like we're playing with 1 man down when he's on the pitch. Now unless we fill midfield with a bunch of bruisers who can all break up play and allow him a free role then fine, but that's not going to happen and we don't have the capacity to carry him anymore. I don;t mind him coming back, but then I'd only want to see him playing the last 15 minutes of games when we're already 3-0 up. Copied & pasted from further up this thread, originally posted by lilfraise.................... 18 Jan 2018 at 00:46 stayingupfor kustokie said: 15 Jan 2018 at 13:37 lillyallen said: when will people realise the reason he was loaned out is because he is crap , done really well at Mainz and alaves hasnt he.NOT !! He had his time here but injury has done for him I agree. Not the same player he was before his ACL rupture and never will be. Pre-injury: Apps: 18 Goals: 5 Win%: 33% Post-injury: Apps: 36 Goals: 10 Win%: 36% 2015/16 (the last season in which he started 3 or more games in a row.): Apps: 27 Goals: 7 (2nd top scorer) Win%: 41% The last time Bojan got a run of 3 or more games for any team was after the Tottenham game of April 2016. He had scored 2 in 2 before that. This just takes into account goals and win percentage too. No mention made of the fact that in 2015/16 his performances with Arnie and Shaq brought the best performances I've ever seen from a Stoke team, that left us 5 points off the top 4 with 7 games to go. Or that taking just his goals away (not his performances) would leave us 20 points worse off over the 45 games he played in his first two seasons. This is the weirdest and most confusing case of selective memory from a large group of Stoke fans I've ever seen. It's even weirder than 'Ryan Shawcross is past it'. Get this argument in the bin where it belongs. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/275930/bojan-return-lambert?page=4#ixzz55CXNESRB
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 25, 2018 13:08:01 GMT
Get him back. He was sharp preseason and looked good as far as I am concerned. Hughes then sold Joselu, who had scored 4 in 2, and repeated the mistake he made last season in exiling one of the few we had that could turn a game.
Bring him back. Lambert will either get a tune out of him with a clean slate or he won’t. This loan is doing him nor SCFC any good.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 25, 2018 13:42:56 GMT
Bojan deserves a second chance, but not Jese who appears unhappy away from his family or Imbula who is a toxic employee who believes he is too good Stoke.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2018 13:54:31 GMT
Get him back. He was sharp preseason and looked good as far as I am concerned. Hughes then sold Joselu, who had scored 4 in 2, and repeated the mistake he made last season in exiling one of the few we had that could turn a game. Bring him back. Lambert will either get a tune out of him with a clean slate or he won’t. This loan is doing him nor SCFC any good. Our mistake was clearly Alaves' gain. Oh.
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Post by alster on Jan 25, 2018 14:35:34 GMT
Pretty sure he has to be registered in our squad on Feb 1st if he's going to play this season - and the only 2 clubs he can play for this season are Stoke and Alaves - and it doesn't look like he's going to do any playing at all there. Suppose it's possible we're waiting to see what we can do, signings-wise, before recalling him. At the moment we've apparently got 23 (including Bauer and Stafylidis). Harrison wouldn't count this season - but the midfielder and striker we're supposedly tracking would take us up to the 25. And that'd mean we'd have to get rid of Jese - or just do the obvious move of putting him in ahead of Glen Johnson (and it's surely time to pay off the last 6 months of his deal) Bojan's got another 2 and a half years on £60-70k-a-week, so something's going to have to be worked out. There was some talk in Spain of an MLS team being interested, and apparently he'd be allowed to join them and play for them this season as their season starts on a different date. Could be time for him to look at that kind of thing if he's totally unwanted here and not good enough to make a mark at somewhere like Alaves? You have to think we are holding on to see what we can bring in and indeed ship out, prior to making a decision on him then...which isn't particularly conducive to making him feel wanted and a genuine part of the new managers plans. As said above he's not as effective as Shaq in the 10 and at the moment with the players we have we're not even able to field a formation that allows a 10 because we're weak as piss in centre mid. If he comes back and if we sign a powerful holding midfielder which are big if's I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of Ireland for the No10. I can fully understand why there is no rush in getting him back, might as well let Alaves continue funding whatever proportion of his wages they're covering.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 25, 2018 14:57:00 GMT
You have to think we are holding on to see what we can bring in and indeed ship out, prior to making a decision on him then...which isn't particularly conducive to making him feel wanted and a genuine part of the new managers plans. As said above he's not as effective as Shaq in the 10 and at the moment with the players we have we're not even able to field a formation that allows a 10 because we're weak as piss in centre mid. If he comes back and if we sign a powerful holding midfielder which are big if's I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of Ireland for the No10. I can fully understand why there is no rush in getting him back, might as well let Alaves continue funding whatever proportion of his wages they're covering. I'm not sure I agree with you on the Shaq comment, but hey, we are all entitled to our opinions. There seems little evidence to me that suggests Shaqiri is most effective operating in a central position, certainly not the traditional no10 role. He played more centrally when we went 3 at the back but it wasn't really in a bone fide no10 position. That aside, when he's played there for us, I think he's been disappointing and his best form has come when operating from a wide position and drifting inside. It's as much about the players around them as it is the position they occupy. Put Crouch around Shaqiri and he doesn't function as well. Similarly with Bojan, when he lost the powerhouse that was N'zonzi, he seemed to get a little lost in that floaty position between the midfield and forward. Surround either player with the right players and I'm sure both could flourish. I don't think Bojan is coming back though or at least I don't think the new manager is in any rush to bring him back and make him central to his plans.
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Post by ramin on Jan 25, 2018 15:56:31 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:06:03 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us. I've been watching Stoke week in week out and he's better than what we have. Our other number 10 is Stephen Ireland. Teams haven't used him, for whatever reason, it's not for lack of talent. He played in the prem and wasn't eaten alive.
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Post by nathstoke86 on Jan 25, 2018 16:24:16 GMT
He said it’s highly unlikely the players will return from there loan spells bojan and imbula stating that lambert does not have the time go speak too them when he is working hard with the group he has got .
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Post by mrred on Jan 25, 2018 16:26:17 GMT
Bojan deserves a second chance, but not Jese who appears unhappy away from his family or Imbula who is a toxic employee who believes he is too good Stoke. Second chance? Roma, Ajax, Milan, Stoke, Mainz, Alaves... He's on fucking 6 already!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2018 16:26:36 GMT
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 25, 2018 16:27:38 GMT
I think I would rather see Imbula back than Bojan.
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Post by mrred on Jan 25, 2018 16:28:02 GMT
Ayup. The dust's settled a bit so the cunts come out of hiding has he? Funny that.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 25, 2018 16:29:10 GMT
It's not hard for bojan to get on a plane to speak to Lambert for an hour.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 25, 2018 16:30:49 GMT
He needs to get his arse in gear then because we need a CM and striker. If he knew this he should have been trying doubly hard.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 25, 2018 16:30:49 GMT
That Momo is actually his biological son!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:32:12 GMT
I don't see the point of bringing either back if I'm honest. I'd love to see Bojan firing on all cylinders again but he didn't have the stomach to fight for his place earlier on in the season so I'm not convinced he's what we need going into a potential relegation dogfight. Imbula is playing regularly so leave him out there and hopefully he'll have a strong end to the season and either come back refreshed or be sold for decent money.
That said we obviously need reinforcements so I still want to see a genuine defensive midfield powerhouse plus a striker brought in.......
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 25, 2018 16:33:58 GMT
That Momo is actually his biological son! His estranged and angry biological son.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us. I've been watching Stoke week in week out and he's better than what we have. Our other number 10 is Stephen Ireland. Teams haven't used him, for whatever reason, it's not for lack of talent. He played in the prem and wasn't eaten alive. In Bojan's current state Ireland is a better option at number 10 as far as I'm concerned......
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Post by nathstoke86 on Jan 25, 2018 16:34:52 GMT
TBH I was thinking if he was going recall them he would of done this week wth having 10 days training to get them up too his standard. But we all love bojan. Is he the player he was?? No but he is a option that we don’t have. It’s him or Ireland I know who I prefer imbula again is better than fletch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:40:07 GMT
In this billion pound industry, not having time is not good enough. We've got plenty of resources - send someone else to make the arrangements FFS.
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Post by ramin on Jan 25, 2018 16:43:27 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us. I've been watching Stoke week in week out and he's better than what we have. Our other number 10 is Stephen Ireland. Teams haven't used him, for whatever reason, it's not for lack of talent. He played in the prem and wasn't eaten alive. Mate, whenever you talk about Bojan, Imbula or Berahino I hear the player lover in you not the Stoke fan. Don't let your emotions control your judgment and enough defending the indefensible.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 25, 2018 16:45:00 GMT
If i was a betting man I'd say it has pretty much everything to do with us not wanting the exposure on their wages, certainly in the case of bojan whose loan club don't want him and would agree to his instant return.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:50:07 GMT
I've been watching Stoke week in week out and he's better than what we have. Our other number 10 is Stephen Ireland. Teams haven't used him, for whatever reason, it's not for lack of talent. He played in the prem and wasn't eaten alive. Mate, whenever you talk about Bojan, Imbula or Berahino I hear the player lover in you not the Stoke fan. Don't let your emotions control your judgment and enough defending the indefensible. I'm not saying any of them are perfect. I tend to defend them because they get unwarranted abuse from certain people that isn't based on their football. My emotions don't control the fact Bojan is better than Stephen Ireland and I think we need a number 10.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2018 16:52:22 GMT
If i was a betting man I'd say it has pretty much everything to do with us not wanting the exposure on their wages, certainly in the case of bojan whose loan club don't want him and would agree to his instant return. Yeah, must be that. Even if they're only paying half his wages, could be looking at £500,000+ in wages that we'd be on the hook for if we brought him back - and the feeling must be that he wouldn't offer us enough to justify it, even if he forced himself onto the pitch. Hard to be massively critical of that call in light of his Mainz and Alaves spells. At least Imbula's playing and resuscitating his value marginally
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:57:33 GMT
Why is the CEO wearing a coaches Polo Shirt? Has he forgotten where his desk is?
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