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Post by scfc5 on Jan 25, 2018 16:59:12 GMT
The interview is nonsense in relation to Bojan - we know Alaves want to release him so all that contract stuff is garbage. And as for the need to see them training, it hardly matters does it? He proved in the past his ability and he either comes back and gets in with it or trains alone for the season in Spain. Even if there is a 10% chance he might do something positive, it just seems pointless to leave him there in limbo. I guess, as Dave says, it is penny-pinching from the club, unless more has gone on behind the scenes before the loans that have upset Scholes and co.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:03:31 GMT
Not sure why, possibly other factors we don't know about.
Can't see what we stand to lose by bringing them back, especially Bojan. Strange call that I don't agree with, but how pissed off I am about it depends hugely on what transfer business we do before next Wednesday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:22:26 GMT
If dressing room dynamics are good under Lambert and he's happy with the team spirit in the camp then their is actually something to lose other than money on wages by bringing both back. They're not going to be nailed on to start or get regular game time so you could end up with a couple of sulky players on your hands. I completely get why they wouldn't bring them back PROVIDING we bring in reinforcements......
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 25, 2018 17:27:13 GMT
1 goal in 12 games.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 25, 2018 17:34:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:37:05 GMT
Didnt Lambert gave us a clue to this window in one of his earlier interviews?
Something along the lines of ......we have to keep players happy and that’s tricky when we have a pretty big squad already.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 25, 2018 17:37:42 GMT
With how poor our season has been, I don't think Lambert is going to be in a rush to get him back when he hasn't exactly been doing well in Spain. I think he has bigger things to worry about.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 25, 2018 18:17:00 GMT
To be honest Im surprised by Bojan's comments that he wants to come back to Stoke.
He should be getting his head down at Alaves and giving his all for them. He keeps getting dropped from team squads and then making a noise about leaving. He was doing it for a few months at Stoke before we sent him on loan. WHY has he disappeared from view at Alaves?? Was it just performance related or personality clash?
There is no obvious space for him in the match-day squad. IF the likes of Shaq got injured or Steven Ireland was shifted out then I can see a place but not until that eventuality occurs.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 25, 2018 18:31:33 GMT
If we were top half and looking good it would be worth bringing him back as a wild card. If it didn't come off no big loss. However we're in a relegation battle - and he simply isn't the player I would bank on to get us out of trouble. His ability isn't at question - basically he's lost whatever bottle he had in the first place. He'd be the last player to put into a situation that requires grit, determination and a willingness to put your body on the line - which is what we need right mow.
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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2018 18:51:12 GMT
To be honest Im surprised by Bojan's comments that he wants to come back to Stoke. He should be getting his head down at Alaves and giving his all for them. He keeps getting dropped from team squads and then making a noise about leaving. He was doing it for a few months at Stoke before we sent him on loan. WHY has he disappeared from view at Alaves?? Was it just performance related or personality clash? There is no obvious space for him in the match-day squad. IF the likes of Shaq got injured or Steven Ireland was shifted out then I can see a place but not until that eventuality occurs. It’s financial reasons at Alaves mate
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Post by barcaontrent on Jan 25, 2018 18:56:54 GMT
Booooo Scholes Out! The audicaity to not bring players back who have done fuck all for 2 seasons
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 25, 2018 20:58:38 GMT
Bojan or Stephen Ireland
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2018 21:05:16 GMT
Neither will play a great deal. Not arsed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:10:15 GMT
As it stands Ireland 100%
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 25, 2018 21:27:42 GMT
Get him back. He was sharp preseason and looked good as far as I am concerned. Hughes then sold Joselu, who had scored 4 in 2, and repeated the mistake he made last season in exiling one of the few we had that could turn a game. Bring him back. Lambert will either get a tune out of him with a clean slate or he won’t. This loan is doing him nor SCFC any good. Can you remind me which pre season games he looked good in, I've a poor memory but the games I saw him in preseason he looked ineffectual and lightweight
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Post by kustokie on Jan 25, 2018 22:40:31 GMT
Bang on.Its astonishing people want him back. He's a busted flush. Can't even get in the Alaves squad. His career has gone steadily downhill. And you're right in the Prem he is like watching an under 9 in an adults game. Football fans are weird sometimes.This romantic attachment to a player who won't remotely help us is just daft. I don't believe footballers just lose their skill and ability. I think for whatever reason (injury) Bojan has failed to make an impact, he needs unlocking, if the new manager thinks he can pick the lock and get him firing again, he should be given the opportunity to try. If the new manager thinks it is beyond him, we should let him go. I have a different view. Like most things in life, skill and ability are age related and most footballers peak in the mid to late twenties. Their form will ebb and flow over shorter periods of time. Injury can reduce their skill and ability either temporarily or it may be permanent.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 25, 2018 22:49:42 GMT
I don't believe footballers just lose their skill and ability. I think for whatever reason (injury) Bojan has failed to make an impact, he needs unlocking, if the new manager thinks he can pick the lock and get him firing again, he should be given the opportunity to try. If the new manager thinks it is beyond him, we should let him go. I have a different view. Like most things in life, skill and ability are age related and most footballers peak in the mid to late twenties. Their form will ebb and flow over shorter periods of time. Injury can reduce their skill and ability either temporarily or it may be permanent. I agree that age and injury are massive factors in sporting ability. I just don't subscribe to the fact that a player like Bojan can go from what he was to what he currently is, without hope of regaining the previous form, or at least close to it. I get the impression it's more psychological with him, and maybe the right coaching could help. Or maybe you are right and he is finished at this level.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 25, 2018 23:50:00 GMT
Neither will play a great deal. Not arsed. Ireland - he can play in a midfield 3
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 25, 2018 23:56:50 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us. I’d rather the option of Bojan as backup than no one at all. We need a decent squad. If we get injuries we’re knackered.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 26, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
I have a different view. Like most things in life, skill and ability are age related and most footballers peak in the mid to late twenties. Their form will ebb and flow over shorter periods of time. Injury can reduce their skill and ability either temporarily or it may be permanent. I agree that age and injury are massive factors in sporting ability. I just don't subscribe to the fact that a player like Bojan can go from what he was to what he currently is, without hope of regaining the previous form, or at least close to it. I get the impression it's more psychological with him, and maybe the right coaching could help. Or maybe you are right and he is finished at this level. There’s a big psychological component of recovery from an ACL rupture because it’s very painful, the snap is loud and the recovery is long. Some atheletes, especially those that rely on quickness and the ability to change direction, rather than strength, never recover their original form because they always have it in the back of their mind that it could happen again.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 26, 2018 0:38:50 GMT
We couldn't afford passengers at the moment, could we? He couldn't even make the bench at Alaves and Mainz for a reason. He would get eaten alive in the prem. The stats mentioned might deceive a neutral who hasn't been watching Stoke week in week out but not us. I’d rather the option of Bojan as backup than no one at all. We need a decent squad. If we get injuries we’re knackered. Where does he play in Lambert's 433?
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Post by senojbor on Jan 26, 2018 10:15:23 GMT
From what I've seen so far from Lambert, Bojan could be a very useful player to have around. He's proved he can score goals for us and playing a role similar to Joe Allen he could do very well and score us goals
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 26, 2018 11:19:19 GMT
As it stands Ireland 100% May I ask why
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Post by mrred on Jan 26, 2018 11:27:11 GMT
As it stands Ireland 100% May I ask why Ireland isn't a complete snowflake like Bojan. He's come back from another significant injury and looked like the biggest creative spark we've had in ages. Bojan on the other hand has had 2 failed loan spells while he's been at Stoke, as well as the other 4 clubs that didn't want him. Waste of space.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2018 11:30:55 GMT
As it stands Ireland 100% May I ask why Ireland's in better form. Marginal maybe, but he is. On their respective days both are very good players and Bojan is on another level completely to Ireland. But football doesn't work like that and form and momentum count for a lot. You don't just persist indefinitely forever with players, even if they'd been brilliant once upon a time.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 26, 2018 11:32:49 GMT
Both had their last decent game in 2015.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 26, 2018 11:43:22 GMT
Both had their last decent game in 2015. To be fair to Ireland he was decent for an hour at the shite , ok he didnt have his shooting boots on but considering his time out it was an encouraging performance , he is a very clever player and in this formation could be a good option once Charlie starts gasping if we need a goal
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 26, 2018 11:46:23 GMT
Both had their last decent game in 2015. To be fair to Ireland he was decent for an hour at the shite , ok he didnt have his shooting boots on but considering his time out it was an encouraging performance , he is a very clever player and in this formation could be a good option once Charlie starts gasping if we need a goal He was alright tbf, considering his injuries etc. I'd definitely take Ireland out of the two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 11:49:31 GMT
Both had their last decent game in 2015. Can name several fantastic games from Bojan in 2016 tbf.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2018 11:51:22 GMT
Both had their last decent game in 2015. Ireland had his a couple of weeks ago.
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