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Post by hammercricket on Jan 15, 2018 17:21:25 GMT
Both are rubbish to be fair. Flores was your man but your guys wouldnt stump up the cash to get him over the line. Lambert is dour and uninspiring (yes a bit like Moyes) difference is Moyes has Lanzini, Arnoutavic & few others to get him out of trouble.
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Post by greystokie on Jan 15, 2018 17:26:30 GMT
Both are rubbish to be fair. Flores was your man but your guys wouldnt stump up the cash to get him over the line. Lambert is dour and uninspiring (yes a bit like Moyes) difference is Moyes has Lanzini, Arnoutavic & few others to get him out of trouble. Yes but we've got Butland, Shaqiri and.....er....a new corner.
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Post by march4 on Jan 15, 2018 17:31:57 GMT
Lambert might be a country mile from being my choice of manager, but compared to Hughes he is an immediate improvement.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 15, 2018 17:54:53 GMT
If the board had backed him properly over the last few seasons and spent a similar amount to those around us then I think we would be mid table quite comfortably. Sadly they didn’t, and he paid the price along with all us supporters. That’s not completely true though is it? Imbula 18m Berahino 12m Wimmer 18m Allen 14m Shaqiri 12m Joselu 6m Grant 1.3m Bojan 2m Wollscheid 3m Arnautovic 2m Pieters 4m Sobhi 5m That’s nearly 100m and there’s probably more that I’ve missed.
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Post by milky on Jan 15, 2018 18:12:36 GMT
No
Hughes was way past his sell by date and it was obvious he couldn't turn it round.
In fact things were getting worse.
He had to go, whether his replacement can improve things remains to be seen.
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Post by devondumpling on Jan 15, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
No
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 15, 2018 18:27:59 GMT
If the board had backed him properly over the last few seasons and spent a similar amount to those around us then I think we would be mid table quite comfortably. Sadly they didn’t, and he paid the price along with all us supporters. That’s not completely true though is it? Imbula 18m Berahino 12m Wimmer 18m Allen 14m Shaqiri 12m Joselu 6m Grant 1.3m Bojan 2m Wollscheid 3m Arnautovic 2m Pieters 4m Sobhi 5m That’s nearly 100m and there’s probably more that I’ve missed. Exactly. I've never understood the notion that he wasn't financially backed. He was.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 15, 2018 18:29:22 GMT
It's like having a choice between Chlamydia or Hemorrhoids.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2018 18:39:05 GMT
Have to disagree there buddy. Out of everyone I’ve ever come into contact with, I knew you’d disagree 😂
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2018 18:40:21 GMT
Have to disagree there buddy. Out of everyone I’ve ever come into contact with, I knew you’d disagree 😂
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2018 18:41:13 GMT
Sparky had run out of steam and ideas,i hope new ideas will turn the corner for us the squad is better than the results so get behind what we have instead posting negativity,did you want Hughes to stay? No I didn’t, but more confident in hughes ability then Lamberts. Just hoping the ‘new manager bounce’ keeps us up.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2018 18:41:38 GMT
Sparky had run out of steam and ideas,i hope new ideas will turn the corner for us the squad is better than the results so get behind what we have instead posting negativity,did you want Hughes to stay? No I didn’t, but more confident in hughes ability then Lamberts. Just hoping the ‘new manager bounce’ keeps us up.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 15, 2018 18:46:34 GMT
We had come to a point where we had to bring in someone else. The squad had lost the belief in themselves and in Hughes. Despite of this Hughes was well liked by most of the squad it seems, but a change was necessary to turn things around. If Lambert is the man to do this is another case, but we need to get behind him and show our support. He is now our only hope when it comes to staying in the PL and we must do our best to help him make this happen!
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Post by superheroantonius on Jan 15, 2018 18:46:36 GMT
Not me Every one has their time and it was more than obvious Hughes time was over .
I am one of the 99 per cent of people on this board who think Hughes has not been totally blame to for the clubs demise
I have some sympathy for Hughes, in that I can understand how if Lambert turns around , what will really grind his gears is seeing scholes ,carto and co getting off the hook and underservedly giving themselves a pay rise and a pat on the back . That's unfair but that's life
Lambo comes in as genuinely uninvolved in everything that went before and deserves our total support
Good luck to him !!
And let's ALL get behind him :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
Mr Hughes's last disasterous 12 months tenure, watched idly by our proven lightweight chief executive and complicit owners, has pretty much put our club evolution back ten years
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Post by salopian on Jan 15, 2018 18:50:38 GMT
Nah I stick my my original feeling that Hughes had to go. I just never envisaged that the board will continue to be cheap fuckers and replace him with Paul Lambert. Are you really that shocked we have not done our homework and gone on the cheap.... Sadly as annoyed as I am, i'm not surprised in the slightest old habits die hard and all that.... Ignore the obvious staring them in the face, say there is no issue and leave it all to late and balls the replacement up as well!
Deflated at best ...... I can only assume Bullshit baffled brains in the interview!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:52:38 GMT
Jesus Christ Hughes had completely lost his way and we were sinking quickly. Lambert is my idea of a bloody nightmare however I’d still have him over Hughes. No doubt I’ll be copying and pasting this on another thread later, then tomorrow then Wednesday.....
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Post by salopian on Jan 15, 2018 18:57:20 GMT
I supported Hughes relentlessly up to when we started dropping points against rival bottom teams we should (and during the games actually were) beat. But I started to turn when we failed to beat Brighton and Palace from winning positions and losing to West Ham with a dreadful performance was the last straw. When it gets to the point where the manager's job depends on the next result it is already too late, so it did't matter to me that we beat West Brom as far as Hughes future was concerned we had reached an untenable position and he had to go. Leaving action till we were into the transfer season was a dreadful error by the Board. I said all season Coates would remove Hughes at Christmas if we were still in a mess, but I was wrong. I'm fully behind Lambert now and think many critical comments about him are despicable. He has never had a first class set-up to manage; now he has got his chance to prove himself. He needs to get experts in in fitness, defending, and honing basic skills such as passing and shooting. He certainly pulled our pants down in the Wolves match. Never had a First class set up to manage .??? .... And you think he does now???? We are so amateurish in so many aspects it's funny if it wasn't so serious!!!
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Post by chad on Jan 15, 2018 18:57:53 GMT
He had to go. He kept doing the same bloody thing and expecting things to change. He’d lost it. Wasn’t expecting or wanting Lambert but he’s here he’s in charge and quite frankly with the players at his disposal he couldn’t do any worse
Man U. 0. Stoke 2. Come on Paul let’s fuckin av em
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 15, 2018 19:01:40 GMT
I liked Hughes but he should have gone a while ago - last summer frankly - and I would not take him back now even if we'd appointed ADAM Lambert!
We would never have won another game under Hughes. I doubt we'd even have got a single point in fact. It was over.
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Post by salopian on Jan 15, 2018 19:02:03 GMT
You would have hoped that someone within the board of directors might have thought that Hughes was in trouble in the summer, all you had to do was look at the run of form. The squad needed major surgery and we didn't want to throw money at it. So wouldn't it have been prudent to have some plans in place if we did sack him? It looks like a 'oh shit what do we do now and who is available?' reaction to me. It reeks of the bad planning, and an amateurish way a business worth over £100m is being run. In the past I have been astonished at some of the poor decisions seasoned businessmen at SCFC have made and this one is likely to be the most disastrous. All so true.. but I bet they think we aren't in a mess, got another yes man who will try polishing a turd , and with a couple of loans the £100m will be safe for next year!!!
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 15, 2018 19:27:27 GMT
Hughes, 100% relegation. Lambert - nobody knows. He might just surprise us. He won’t That’s the spirit! C’mon Stoke. BTW, are you related to Captain Smith?
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 15, 2018 19:29:48 GMT
Then if you're 100% confident we're already relegated I suggest you put every penny you have on us to go down. B365 offering 6/4, easy money. You won't though. I wont because I never bet against Stoke on principle. But we will go down Here’s 50% interest on your money for 5 months......... nah, it’s against my principles!
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 15, 2018 19:37:10 GMT
H needed to go. So does Lambert. I guess you didn’t like the fact that he did some research? C’mon man, wind your neck back in and give the guy a chance.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 15, 2018 19:39:35 GMT
Hughes had completely lost his way, needed to go, big mistake not to sack him at the end of last season, even bigger mistake not to sack him after losing at home to West Ham.
Appointing Lambert also seems like a big mistake to me but it doesn't make the decision to finally get rid of Hughes a bad one, only the timing was bad.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 15, 2018 19:40:04 GMT
Meh. As manager; played, won, drawn, lost, win % Mark Hughes - 583, 223, 148, 212, 38.3% Paul Lambert - 506, 198, 117, 191, 39.1% Arguably LMH's games were at a higher standard. PL's win ratio in the Prem is around 26% according to the other thread. That's a massive difference from Sparkys 38 obviously, I'm not filled with confidence on this one.. Yes but Sparky inherited a safe mid table team whereas PL was with a newly promoted squad and then saved a club in the same position we are now in. Big difference.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 15, 2018 19:44:31 GMT
PL's win ratio in the Prem is around 26% according to the other thread. That's a massive difference from Sparkys 38 obviously, I'm not filled with confidence on this one.. Yes but Sparky inherited a safe mid table team whereas PL was with a newly promoted squad and then saved a club in the same position we are now in. Big difference. Fair enuff, I didn't know but I'm very glad to hear it! My confidence in him has been growing the more I've read actually and he'll definitely get my full support, he's not Toxic after all
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 15, 2018 19:47:51 GMT
We had come to a point where we had to bring in someone else. The squad had lost the belief in themselves and in Hughes. Despite of this Hughes was well liked by most of the squad it seems, but a change was necessary to turn things around. If Lambert is the man to do this is another case, but we need to get behind him and show our support. He is now our only hope when it comes to staying in the PL and we must do our best to help him make this happen! Of course they liked him. He gave them an easy life.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 15, 2018 19:48:31 GMT
PL's win ratio in the Prem is around 26% according to the other thread. That's a massive difference from Sparkys 38 obviously, I'm not filled with confidence on this one.. Yes but Sparky inherited a safe mid table team whereas PL was with a newly promoted squad and then saved a club in the same position we are now in. Big difference. Also, Sparky inherited a safe mid table team and turned it into a relegation favourite. Based on this season's form I reckon Lambert's win rate will be an improvement for us so bring it on.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 15, 2018 19:49:49 GMT
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